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Content is in Draft Since long
Dear All, We have created content three months back for education university and waiting for live content for user information, please suggest anyone and help us to get it live. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mangalayatan_University_Jabalpur

Regards, Rajesh Kumar Rajesh Kumar Noida (talk) 07:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Rajesh Kumar Noida the draft was never submitted. I've added the submission template for you, please be patient, as there are over 3000 drafts pending review.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 07:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Draft has been reviewed and declined for failing to establish wikinotability. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Where to post about Internet Archive takedowns?
Hi everyone. It has come to my attention that over half a million books were recently made unavailable for borrowing from the Internet Archive's lending library. I wanted to ask if there's some way we can find out which Wikipedia articles were affected by this (i.e. in which articles we link to now-unavailable books), but I'm not sure which noticeboard to raise this. Could someone here direct me to the best place I can ask about this? Cheers. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Well, we are citing the actual book, not the IA version of that book. If the link is dead, it should be marked as such, but it doesn't make the ref invalid.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information, but that's not what I was asking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe WP:ELN? DMacks (talk) 10:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Sortable table now unsortable
Hey all, if it's possible could someone have a quick peek here and see if they can spot why the tables that used to be sortable in both columns are now only sortable in one? I've spent a while tweaking headers, etc, and checking for hanging braces, etc., but nothing jumps out. Any help would be appreciated! ——Serial Number 54129 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * can you actually sort by icon? You might need to define what the sorting means in the cell.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please clarify which columns you mean and what you mean by not sortable. I see sort buttons in all columns. The first table has two columns and the second has three. Images are ignored in sorting so all cells in the icon columns sort as blank cells, meaning they sort identically so sorting has no effect. Same for the empty Date column in the second table. You can use Help:Sortable tables if you want the icon column to sort differently. I think images once sorted by file name but that's long ago. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks both. It's shame; a while ago I was able to sort so the icons grouped together (nice and easy to identify what needed/didn't need work), but somehow that stopped—I assumed I broke something!—like I said, and now it only treats them as empty cells? I'm afraid the Help link was a bit opaque for me :(    ——Serial Number 54129  11:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * What you could do is do a search and replace and put something like |data-sort-value="Good article"| or similar.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I have used regex to use the first icon parameter as data-sort-value.. Just revert if you don't like it. If you want sorting by the second icon when the first icon is the same then you have to include that in data-sort-value. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, that seems to have done the job. Thanks for going to that trouble. The cool thing is, is that it does what it did (mainly distinguish at a glance between f&g); the odd thing is all that code it now needs. *scratchchin* anyways, not complaining! Thanks both again! Great work!  ——Serial Number 54129  13:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I can understand why the change was made. An image is often followed by text, e.g. a flag icon followed by a country name. It makes sense to ignore the file name in such cases. I used regex but it can be hard to learn. The source editor has a search and replace feature which allows regex. I replaced  with  . I realize that's complete gibberish if you don't know regex. It took a few tries to get right but then everything was replaced at once. Maybe we should have a help page where users can request help to make systematic regex changes to wikitext. We do have AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks which often involves regex changes but it's for help with editing multiple pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've been trying to pick up regex for years and always just end up going back to the online tip sheets. A board that helped with that sort of stuff would be good, although arguably that is WP:VPT.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:VPT is sometimes used by posters who know some regex and need the right details. I imagined a page where you can also go with no regex knowledge and get somebody to just make a large edit for you without posting or explaining the regex. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:HD is a pretty good place for one-off "I'm trying to make this complex edit to a table, someone help!" requests. DMacks (talk) 17:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Best practice for creating disambiguation page
I'd like to create a disambiguation page for Alliance University. Alliance University currently links to a college in India but there is a Alliance University (New York City) as well. What's the least disruptive way to create this new disambiguation page? ChaosAkita (talk) 17:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Technically, Alliance University is the college in India (not just "links to..."). My original thought is just to add a hatnote to that article (This or For), following WP:TWODAB. But there is also Allianze University College of Medical Sciences that is sound-alike even though different spelling, so a real disambiguation page makes more sense. The easiest way to start is by creating it at Alliance University (disambiguation) (see MOS:DAB for how to format it), and add a hatnote to [Alliance University]] about it. Then, if you like, start a discussion about moving the DAB page to the main name and moving the India college article to Alliance University (India) or a similar name. I am not sure that is necessary, since only the one in India currently exists, so it is probably the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. DMacks (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Great points! I added a hat note. ChaosAkita (talk) 18:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Glad to help! You can ignore the weird notes in the edit-history of your edit here...they are for an issue unrelated to you. DMacks (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Can I delete "Otago Univesity" redirect page?
Otago Univesity is just a typo of Otago University. Dollasdal (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Typo redirect are allowed to exist, see Template:R from misspelling. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * But IMO it should be deleted under WP:R3. Shantavira|feed me 18:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed and ✅. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hijack of a redirect
The long standing redirect Almost Legal was converted into an article about a wholly different topic on 10 June. I reverted and it was reverted back by its new author. It has subsequenytly been draftified by User:Rosguill as not ready for manispace and Rosguill has recreated a new redirect to match the original. My issues are that the new redirect has lost of of its history and attributionof vcontent and the original hijack seemed aimed at avoiding AFC or review. I feel that the whole situation should be reset back to the state on 9 June to preserve the history but would welcome comments. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk 19:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * It looks to me like the history was split between the two pages, I can see the redirect's history going back to 2011, while the draft only shows history from the last ten days. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * My perspective is that the film is due to release next month, and there is a fair chance that this will generate further coverage. Rather than having a premature AfD that would likely become moot soon (or at least need to be reevaluated), draftification seemed more appropriate. As for the history, it seems that the Wikipedia software was smart enough (or lucky enough?) to split the prior redirect history back onto the redirect and to keep only the history of the new article on the draft. As far as motive, I don't see a reason to assume bad faith behind the original "hijacking"--Almost Legal is the title of the film, and if found to be notable Almost Legal is where it should go, and it would be fine to overwrite a redirect to a non-notable film by the same name in order to create the article. signed,Rosguill talk 19:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * My apologies. I was clearly on the wrong page and thanks to  for fixing that appropiately. However, my other concern was how we deal with apparent, intentional or unintenional, redirect hijacks that seem to circumvent review.  I couldn't find any policy on this. Regards  Velella  Velella Talk  19:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Already answered in an edit conflict. Thanks  Velella  Velella Talk 19:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, they don't really circumvent review: new articles added by creating a page at a pre-existing redirect get added to the new new pages queue for review, which is in fact how I found the page in the first place. They do circumvent the software lock that prevents non-autoconfirmed editors from creating a new page in mainspace, but this causes relatively minimal disruption in the grand scheme of things. signed,Rosguill talk 19:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I merged the history back, in any event. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

So...how do I get rid of an undesirable notification?
In reference to a recent incomplete thread starter on my talk page, which 1) came from an IP; 2) went absolutely nowhere beyond one word; and 3) I was rightfully obliged to remove minutes ago. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You already reverted it, which I don't think anyone would disagree with. You should be able to click "mark as read" in your notification settings, or click on the actual notification. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but how do I remove it from Special:Notifications entirely? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 19:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can do that, unless maybe you disabled talk page notifications in your preferences. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Deleting user subpage
I created a CSS subpage under my user page. How can I delete it? Tsavage (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Tag it with . Even though the template doesn't render the admins can still see it. * Pppery * it has begun...  20:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Perfect. I wasn't sure about the rendering/code error part. Thanks. Tsavage (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Customizing when Table of Contents sidebar is auto-hidden
Is there a way to adjust when the ToC sidebar is automatically hidden, ie no longer fixed, instead a floating dropdown menu from a hamburger-type icon? Thanks! Tsavage (talk) 20:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)


 * There should be a button that says "hide" next to "Contents", assuming your interface is the same as mine after the apparent changes today. Perception312 (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, apparent changes. The sidebar disappeared earlier today, only an icon and pulldown menu with no "hide" or "move to sidebar" buttons. But now they're back, and I didn't even restart my browser. All's well that ends well. Thanks! -Tsavage (talk) 01:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)