Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 June 19

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A specific question- using twitter or X?
Let's say that there is a article and it uses "X" (or twitter) in it. Should it be referred as "X, formally known as twitter" or just "X" with it being linked to it to the twitter wikipedia article? Max~is~a~good~dog! (talk) 00:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Well we don't actually have an article on X in that context. According to our Twitter article A few days after the rebrand took effect, an AP Stylebook update recommended that journalists refer to the platform as "X, formerly known as Twitter", so I think that is your answer, unless you specifically need to refer to Twitter under Elon Musk. Shantavira|feed me 08:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Using analysis tools on individual Noticeboard discussions
The recent/ongoing RfC on The Anti-Defamation League is... unwieldy. I would like to see which authors have added the most text to it. However, because this is an active discussion on a noticeboard, there isn't really a way to only look at the edits for the one section, so far as I know. Does anyone have suggestions on how I could do this with Wikipedia's tools, or is there an external tool capable of this? Safrolic (talk) 01:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I haven't used it, but looking at the screen shots, might be able to help.  Why do you want to wade into that quagmire of an RFC?  You should leave it to more experienced editors.  It is already being discussed on the admin boards.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of my additions to notable people
I recently noticed that my two additions to the notable people of the article on Samsun, Turkey were deleted. One about A.I. Bezzerides and the other about Philocles Anthopoulos. Please tell me why. (FYI, I am a regular donor to Wikipedia Foundation.) Rizos01 (talk) 01:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I will restore A. I. Bezzerides, but I have no idea who Anthopoulos is. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . First, thank you for donating to the WMF, but whether article content is allowed to stay or is removed as nothing to do with donations to the Wikipedia Foundation. The two are completely unrelated. Next, when it comes to individual entries in "Notable people" sections, there are often disagreements as who should be included and often inclusion depends whether common selection criteria have been established for the article. So, for future reference, it's usually a good idea to check to see whether such criteria have been established on the article's talk page (including any talk page archives) before adding to the list. If you don't find any, add someone to the list, but your addition is subsequently undone by another person, you should seek clarification on the article's talk page in accordance with WP:DR. Generally, the most basic criteria for inclusion is that the person you want to add already has a stand-alone Wikipedia article written about them, and their suitability for inclusion is clearly established and supported by citations to reliable sources in that article. Anything else tends to be a bit of a gray area where inclusion might require further discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

FIVB Volleyball Men's World Cup
Hello everyone, I have a questionan about FIVB Volleyball Men's World Cup which is an user said that FIVB never used " 2023 World Cup" in any of the news, the event was unofficial and not recognised by FIVB, that was just for japanese marketing purposes only and shouldn't mark it in results summary. I have different opinion, which is with the change of qualification for the Paris Summer Olympics, the 2023 World Cup will serve as one of the three Olympic qualification tournaments. Only eight teams will participate in this edition (FIVB information). The champion U.S received the trophy from FIVB in final and I think we need mark it in results summary, but that user disagree it and I think we need have a discussion in here, solve the problem and ask for your helps. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 02:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The place to have a discussion is on the talk page of that article, which I see you are already doing. There is no point in bringing the discussion here. If you want to involve a wider group of editors, put a (non-partisan) message about the discussion on WT:WikiProject Volleyball. ColinFine (talk) 09:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay I understood. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

2004 Athens Summer Olympics Closing Ceremony
I need help here to fix the reference for the 2004 Athens Summer Olympics Closing Ceremony for the Extinguishing the Olympic flame for reference. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 03:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

✅, the archived and acces-dates were mixed up. Cmr08 (talk) 03:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Princess Alice, Duchess of Gloucester
References 19 and 21 are the same - shouldn't they be "doubled up"? I cannot do this. Please assist. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Merged the refs.   [[User:CanonNi ]]  (talk • contribs) 03:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * In the future, you can tag the article with duplicated citations. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Help for english translation
Hello everyone, I would like to translate to english pages that I have already created and published on the French wikipedia, but I cannot find any way to get them approved. (one has been stuck for more than 2 months: example here : Draft:The Oath of Cyriac

I have the translations ready, I just need help from a member who has the built-in translation tool.

thanks a lot Superjuju360 (talk) 06:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Superjuju360, it has been stuck because no reviewer has got around to reviewing it. I'm not aware of any need for any "translation tool". Suggestions: Has it been shown with Catalan, French, Spanish, or English subtitles? What's its title in Catalan, French, Spanish, or English? It "has been very well received": OK, good, but for what? (You might add such details as "Writing in [title of newspaper], [name of critic] praised the film for its ABC portrayal of XYZ[reference]".) -- Hoary (talk) 07:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Akauda aanlok
My account was banned for no reason My teammates was using and l report his id after some time my account got banned for no reason please fix this problem and unban my account as soon as possible My character id 55502880173 Nitin kamdi (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't know what an account is, if not an ID; and I haven't heard of "character IDs". Your account, or ID, can't be "unbanned" (by which I guess you mean unblocked) if we don't know what it is. What's the name of the blocked account/ID, Nitin kamdi? -- Hoary (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. Are you referring to an account somewhere else like a video game? We have many articles about video games and websites. People sometimes confuse us with one of our article subjects. We can only help with Wikipedia and certain other websites using the same MediaWiki software as us. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Swahili page may have an error?
I cannot read Swahili, however, at the bottom of this page: sw:Moses Wetangula (which is apparently using this template? here: sw:Kigezo:Kenya-Ministers of Foreign Affairs. Where it says "Ministers of Foreign Affairs of Kenya" displays wider that the rest of the page, which reduces the size of majority of the article text.

I thought someone here could help. Thank you, -- Ooligan (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You would be wrong, as this is the help desk for the English Wikipedia. We largely cannot speak Swahili either. Remsense  诉  15:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We do sometimes offer help with other wikis. It took me some time to figure out what you meant because it doesn't happen in my browser. The template had a very long string without spaces. It sounds like your browser shrinks the whole page to display the entire string at the same time instead of offering horizontal scrolling as normal. I added spaces. Does stop your problem? PrimeHunter (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, that resolved the display issue. I appreciate your prompt and courteous help!
 * The first response received here by @Remsense was not helpful and the negative tone of the communication may keep others editors from seeking future "help" at this Help Desk.
 * Again, thank you @PrimeHunter for taking some of your time to fix this small problem. Your good work (and that of many others) is why I occasionally seek assistance here at the Help Desk. Best regards, -- Ooligan (talk) 16:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The new under desk elliptical machines remount control does not work
elliptical leg exerciser by GUGTTR My read (talk) 15:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * This is the help desk for issues with editing and using Wikipedia, nothing else. I suggest you contact the manufacturer. ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Need an Editor
How might I find someone proficient to edit a friend's article? Article has many references and names that link to further articles. Phrzbyphil (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You may use the article talk page of an existing article to propose edits in the form of an edit request(click for instructions). 331dot (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that edit requests are generally only useful if you have a clear, specific, and uncontroversial edit in mind (and are unable to edit the page yourself). If you want to bring attention to a general problem with an article, you can add a cleanup tag to the article, start a discussion on its talk page, or bring it up at a relevant WikiProject or noticeboard. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, what edits are needed here? Having "many references and names that link to further articles" sounds like a good thing – we don't want unreferenced and dead end articles! It might help if you paste the name of the article here, so we can see what's wrong with it. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

moving a draft out of my sandbox
I have prepared a draft article in my article wizard sandbox. It is ready for publication. There is no visible SUBMIT button. No visible MORE button. I have been advised to add "at the top". What does that mean? The Talk button is red. What do I do? Andrewcliftonpayne (talk) 15:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have disabled the template which you added in this section, which was submitting this help desk for review!. If you add the same string to your draft as you added here, and then save (publish) your change, it will appear as a box including a button to submit it for review.
 * The "Talk" link is red because nobody has yet created that particular talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi ,
 * I've moved a draft you created over to Draft:William Boleyn Archdeacon of Winchester d.1582 because you appeared to have created it in USERSPACE rather than DRAFTSPACE. And I've added the AfC submission/draft template so that you can click on Submit when it's ready. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

All of a sudden I have to click on the magnifying glass to start a search.
Long time user and donor. Since I usually use Wikipedia if I have a question I am perplexed to see that I now have to click to start a search instead of the search window already being present. After a few decades of knowing the search window will be present, muscle memory kicks in and I get discombobulated. Then I wonder why this change was made and can't figure out why. Time starts ticking by and I realized that I will never get this wasted time back. Yet, inquiring minds want to know. Why did you remove the search window and would you please put it back or allow a change of url when the search window is present so that I can save the url equipped with the opened search window to my Quick Launch Bar. And if you would be so kind your could make the mouse cursor default to the search bar when opened. Fewer clicks. Less carpal tunnel. I'm using two mouses now to reduce carpal tunnel. Same brand and model of mouse so the driver just sees one mouse input. I point using my right hand and click with the thumb of my left hand. This really helps! Orange Punkin (talk) 20:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Orange Punkin The default "skin" for Wikipedia is now WP:VECTOR22 and as that link explains (see screenshot on that page) the search bar should be top-centre of the page. There are various other skins available if that doesn't suit you, which you can experiment with at Special:Preferences. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Vector replaces the search bar with a magnifying glass icon in narrow windows. Other skins don't do that. Special:Preferences has the option "Focus the cursor in the search bar on loading the Main Page". It doesn't work when Vector 2022 only shows the magnifying glass. See also FAQ/Main Page PrimeHunter (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)