Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 June 22

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Creating Page
I want to Create 1 page with name lets just say - God Is Great. I Cant see that option to create that page. How to do this? I can only see option to create a page same as my username. Chaturvedi divya (talk) 03:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chaturvedi divya: Users can't create pages in mainspace until they're autoconfirmed. Please be aware that pages you create in mainspace or draftspace should be of encyclopedic value. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Can't search a page for "jump"
I just noticed this (encountered in Chrome). Chrome shows occurrences, but none appear on the page.
 * Go to any random article: Special:Random
 * Press ctrl-F to find text on the page
 * Try to find the word "jump"

I first noticed this with Larry Bird: 23 occurrences of the word "jump" but not a single one visible. This surprised me, because Bird had a reputation of never jumping more than a few inches.

It seems to be searching CSS class names and "Jump to content" strings in popup text. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm getting the same in Pale Moon, so it's not limited to Chromium-based browsers. —Cryptic 03:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Larry Bird has 22  at references which are used multiple times. It's for screen readers.   has properties which position the text outside the visible window so it doesn't distract seeing viewers (except if they search for the text and wonder what's happening). If there are visible occurrences of "Jump" then they do show up, e.g. on Jump. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You can see "Jump up to:" if you add this CSS:
 * It doesn't say to display the text, because it wasn't technically hidden. It just says to position it normally. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, they're all on the citations. Thanks. I don't mind them being visible. I updated my common.css accordingly. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see, they're all on the citations. Thanks. I don't mind them being visible. I updated my common.css accordingly. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

more efficient watching
Each day I download my watchlist page, filter it for the "mw-changeslist-watchedunseen" tag, open the histories for the unseen pages; I have a script for these steps. But then, on each of these history pages, I have to click by hand to get the diffs from the last "seen" version to the current version. Is there a more automatic way to get those diffs? —Tamfang (talk) 04:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * You might struggle to get a technical response here. You might want to try WP:VPT.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

my account
My account was banned for no reason My teammates was using and l report his id after some time my account got banned for no reason please fix this problem and unban my account as soon as possible My character id 55502880173 Nitin kamdi (talk) 07:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You asked this a few days ago; please read the answers further up this page. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It's now at Help desk/Archives/2024 June 19. I still suspect your post isn't about a Wikipedia account. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Regarding monthly payments
I've payed apparently about $750 throughout the years but now I'm unemployed and if Wikimedia Foundation doesn't require any carpenters unfortunately I have to pause the payments. But I'll try to start contributing again soon. Thank you for all your guys hard work and voluntary labor, it's mind boggling. Andash1337 (talk) 12:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Of course, you should not donate if you are unable to. Note that we editors have nothing to do with collecting donations, that's all handled by the Foundation. If you need to contact them to suspend your recurring donation, email donate@wikimedia.org 331dot (talk) 12:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I see, I'm a very lazy person and clicked the first Contact Us I saw. I think it's all cancelled through PayPal, really just wanted to say I'm sorry for not being able to support for a while.
 * Thanks for your time. Andash1337 (talk) 13:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * See also donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Template function
What's a template like Estimation intended to do? Clarityfiend (talk) 13:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Clarityfiend: it inserts "est." inside an HTML5 tag, indicating that it's an abbreviation, with a title attribute, which browsers may use to show a tooltip. Other templates, such as circa, born in, died in and floruit do similar things, usually for helping minimise content-length when space is at a premium. See category:Abbreviation_templates. Bazza 7  (talk) 13:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

How can I contribute detailed content about idle tycoon games to Wikipedia?
Hi everyone,

I've been passionate about idle tycoon games for a while. I'm interested in contributing detailed and informative content about idle tycoon games to Wikipedia, including their mechanics, history, and popular titles.

Does anyone have experience with creating or editing Wikipedia articles? What are the best practices for ensuring that the content is comprehensive, well-cited, and meets Wikipedia's guidelines? Any tips on the process would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help! Saad Ullah 611 (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, Saad Ullah 611, and welcome to Wikipedia. Anybody may create a draft and submit it for review, using the articles for creation process. But, people who try this before they have spent several weeks (at least) making edits to existing articles and becoming familiar with Wikipedia's policies, usually have a frustrating and disappointing time.
 * My advice to any new editor is to work on improving existing articles and become familiar with fundamental principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability before even trying to create an article. If you're not sure where to start, you could look at the task center; or you might consider joining WikiProject Videogames and getting suggestions for articles to work on there.
 * When you have understood those principles, then I suggest reading your first article, and going from there.
 * When you get to that point, the first thing you will need to do is to find the independent reliable sources required to establish that Idle Tycoon Games meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability; because if it does not, you will be wasting your time trying to create an article on it. ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Hyperlink editing
Why can't I click on all of the article's references' popups hyperlinks when I was in the editor? I'm on Chromebook 125.0 and am on Vector 2022 skin. I have tried turning on Enable reference previews, Navigation popups, and the d efault Reference Tooltips alone in the Preferences, but it just won't work? I have logged out just to test it again, but it still isn't working. I have extensions, but I've tried turning all of them off too. WhyIsNameSoHardOmg- - (talk) 15:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Citing a foreword to a novel
I would like to cite a foreword written by Edwidge Danticat for the novel Hadriana in All My Dreams by René Depestre. The citation would be used to source a statement about Danticat's opinion of the novel. Can forewords be cited, and if so, what is the proper formatting? (The novel is in ebook form.)Thanks, Jaguarnik (talk) 15:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Jaguarnik A foreword is there to promote a book, so it is not WP:neutral, a key requirement of all Wikipedia references. Shantavira|feed me 16:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Jaguarnik. I disagree with . Sources are not required to be neutral; but unless they are independent, they can only be used in a limited way. Citing a foreword by Danticat for Danticat's opinion is in my view a normal use of a self-published source. You can cite it using the  parameter of cite book - see that link for details. ColinFine (talk) 17:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both very much.Jaguarnik (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Need an arbiter for an editing disagreement
A short back and forth over (not) including an individual in an embedded list needs a fresh eye. There's a board for that, but I don't recall what it's called. Do you know what it's called? To be clear, I'm not asking you to weigh in, I'm simply looking for the people whose !job is to weigh in. Yappy2bhere (talk) 17:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You might be looking for WP:3O if only two editors are involved or WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 18:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking for a binding opinion that ideally doesn't result in a wall of text. Considered WP:3O before I came here, but right now we're reading the same WP policy, we're not reading the same thing, and we're both right of course. Looking at WP:DR now; thank you. Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Generally, the best place to try to resolve disputes like this is on the article's talk page per "WP:DR" before moving on the other steps in the DR process. Unlike user talk pages. article talk pages make it easier for others to know about and join the discussion since more people interested in the subject matter are likely watching the article (and by default its corresponding talk page) than are watching a particular user's user talk page. Article talk page discussion also helps discussion relevant to the article in one place and makes it easier to archive things for future reference. Finally, the WP:ONUS in a content dispute typically falls on the person wanting to add content to establish a consensus through article talk page discussion when there are disagreements about it; in other words, if you're bold in adding content, but you're reverted based on some policy or guideline, you should, in principle, then seek consensus on the article talk page. However, since has now started a discussion at Talk:South Kitsap High School, that's where you should continue to try to sort this out. A consensus established through article talk page discussion is probably as close to a "binding opinion" as you're going to get when it comes to a disagreement such as this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the Talk page link. Was gonna want that section whichever path we followed. Yappy2bhere (talk) 22:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)