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Citing an article inside of a meeting report
Forgive me if this has already been asked, I looked but couldn't find anything. I want to cite a specific article (Acanthoma fissuratum of the outer auditory canal from a hearing aid, page 304) within this collection of abstracts. How should I go about this? If I just use a citation generator the title will be "Abstracts of papers presented at the 27th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Dermatopathology" which isn't very helpful. Should I just manually create the citation and use the page number, authors, and title from the specefic article? If so should I include the doi from the collection since that specefic article doesn't have its own doi. Any advice is appreciated, I just want to make sure I am properly citing this source. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 01:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Include author(s) of the paper, editor(s) of the Abstracts, publisher and publisher location, date of publication (year), ISBN, and any other pertinent bibliographic details.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Include author(s) of the paper, editor(s) of the Abstracts, publisher and publisher location, date of publication (year), ISBN, and any other pertinent bibliographic details.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirect-categorization tool?
During this past month, I've begun to take notice of a new tag filter that detects old-school redirect pages consisting only of "#REDIRECT" and the linked ; WP:Categorizing redirects now recommends adding an tag to avoid the "Uncategorized redirect" message in summaries. Planning to take advantage of this new rule any moment from now; before then, can any editors/developers direct me towards a tool (à la WP:RATER for content assessment) that can help me on the way? --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Slgrandson, there are some suggestions at WikiProject Redirect, but I haven't tried them myself. TSventon (talk) 04:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Ultimately, I voted for WP:Archer over Eejit43's redirect helper as it satisfied my desire to create tagged redirects (on the first save). Thanks for the tip! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Unless I misunderstand what you are saying, mine allows that as well. You of course are welcome to use any script you wish to :) ~ Eejit43 ( talk ) 21:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Description of the Deleted Content:
The deleted content was an article titled "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" that I authored. It provided information about a book I wrote, including its title, genre, and a brief summary of its plot.

Reasons for Reinstatement:
I believe the deleted content should be reinstated for the following reasons:
 * The article adhered to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, including those on notability and verifiability.
 * The book "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" is a notable work in its genre, as evidenced by its positive reception and reviews on reputable platforms such as Goodreads.
 * The deletion may have been based on a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines.

Supporting Evidence or References:

 * The deleted content was sourced from Goodreads, a reputable platform for book reviews and information. [Link to Goodreads page: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/195237122-the-stealing-of-emily---closed-material-procedures-secret-courts]
 * The book is also available on the author's official website, further confirming its availability and relevance. [Link to author's website: https://thestealingofemily.co.uk/bookshelf/]
 * The book has an official Facebook page maintained by the author, which provides updates and information about the book. [Link to Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/TheStealingofEmily/]
 * The book's ISBN information is available through the ISBN Agency, providing additional verification of its existence and publication details. [Link to ISBN Agency page: https://www.isbnagency.com/titles/9781513697574-the-stealing-of-emily--fate-of-children-through-our-court-system]

Clarity and Conciseness:
The original article provided a clear and concise overview of the book, including its title, author, genre, and plot summary. It adhered to Wikipedia's guidelines for article structure and content presentation.

Respectful Tone:
I respectfully request that the deleted content be reinstated in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I believe that restoring the article would contribute positively to the Wikipedia community by providing valuable information about a notable literary work.

Thank you for considering my request.

Sincerely, [Your Martinnewbold] Martinnewbold (talk) 06:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Martinnewbold I have replied to your second question below, please don't make duplicate questions.  Qcne  (talk)  07:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Collapse a second copy of this same question, by this user indeffed as a promo-only account. Mathglot (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

How do I add sources please?
I do not know how to add sources. Whereabouts do I add these sources? Thank you. R.FrancesFyfe (talk) 06:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, check out:
 * Help:Referencing for beginners
 * Citing sources
 * Typically, sources are added as footnotes at the end of the material they cover, Rjjiii  (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There's also a tutorial at WP:INTREFVE which you may find helpful. I find the Visual Editor easier than the Source Editor, as it looks like Microsoft Word so you should already be familiar with it @R.FrancesFyfe.  Qcne  (talk)  07:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Deletion Review Request

 * === Description of the Deleted Content: ===
 * The deleted content was an article titled "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" that I authored. It provided information about a book I wrote, including its title, genre, and a brief summary of its plot.
 * === Reasons for Reinstatement: ===
 * I believe the deleted content should be reinstated for the following reasons:
 * The article adhered to Wikipedia's content policies and guidelines, including those on notability and verifiability.
 * The book "The Stealing of Emily - Closed Material Procedures Secret Courts" is a notable work in its genre, as evidenced by its positive reception and reviews on reputable platforms such as Goodreads.
 * The deletion may have been based on a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines.
 * === Supporting Evidence or References: ===
 * The deleted content was sourced from Goodreads, a reputable platform for book reviews and information. [Link to Goodreads page: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/195237122-the-stealing-of-emily---closed-material-procedures-secret-courts]
 * The book is also available on the author's official website, further confirming its availability and relevance. [Link to author's website: https://thestealingofemily.co.uk/bookshelf/]
 * The book has an official Facebook page maintained by the author, which provides updates and information about the book. [Link to Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/TheStealingofEmily/]
 * The book's ISBN information is available through the ISBN Agency, providing additional verification of its existence and publication details. [Link to ISBN Agency page: https://www.isbnagency.com/titles/9781513697574-the-stealing-of-emily--fate-of-children-through-our-court-system]
 * === Clarity and Conciseness: ===
 * The original article provided a clear and concise overview of the book, including its title, author, genre, and plot summary. It adhered to Wikipedia's guidelines for article structure and content presentation.
 * === Respectful Tone: ===
 * I respectfully request that the deleted content be reinstated in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I believe that restoring the article would contribute positively to the Wikipedia community by providing valuable information about a notable literary work.
 * Thank you for considering my request.
 * Sincerely,
 * [Your Martinnewbold]

Martinnewbold (talk) 06:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Martinnewbold.
 * The proper place to request undeletion is at WP:REFUND.
 * However based on your supporting evidence there is no way your article is suitable for Wikipedia. Only books that meet our notability criteria for books merit a Wikipedia article. Your four sources (Goodreads, your website, Facebook ISBN) do not prove notability in the slightest. Wikipedia is not a repository of book information, but an encyclopaedia of notable topics.
 * You also shouldn't be writing about a book you wrote in the first place! Please see conflict of interest.
 * As such I would not waste more of your time on this. Also, please don't use ChatGPT to author requests like this, we want to hear from you, not a robot.
 * Let me know if you have any questions.  Qcne  (talk)  07:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * No further responses needed; this user indeffed as a promo-only account. Mathglot (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

National Tortellini Day
I would like to add, on the tortellini page, that the world celebrates National Tortellini Day every year on 13 February, but my work doesn't focus on adding sources and I don't want to make mistakes; the source is this (which I don't know if it's reliable): https://nationaltoday.com/national-tortellini-day/ (information present in the "Giornata Nazionale dei Tortellini" section of the it.wiki page, Tortellini). JacktheBrown (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * At the top of the nationaltoday page you linked, it says "Got an idea for a holiday? Send it to us". If anyone can submit a holiday, then that site is unlikely to be reliable. Information present on another Wikipedia is also not a reliable source. You will need to come up with reliable sources. Shantavira|feed me 08:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * in what sense "Information present on another Wikipedia is also not a reliable source"? It.wiki isn't reliable? JacktheBrown (talk) 17:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown No, it.wiki, like all wikipedias, is not a reliable source. See WP:CIRCULAR which says "Do not use articles from Wikipedia (whether English Wikipedia or Wikipedias in other languages) as sources, since Wikipedia is a user-generated source." CodeTalker (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * this source is reliable? https://www.nationaldaycalendar.com/national-day/national-tortellini-day-february-13. JacktheBrown (talk) 17:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Wikis are not reliable sources for Wikipedia articles, since they are user-edited. It's the same reason we don't use blogs, Goodreads, or the IMDb for substantial content. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  17:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, the nationaldaycalendar is just another website, and it invites anyone to "Register A National Day". Shantavira|feed me 19:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The world celebrates national noodles? —Tamfang (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ? JacktheBrown (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * On the day of National Tortellini. —Tamfang (talk) 02:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Multigenre glitch in comics - the return of.
7 years ago I noticed a glitch on Leviathan (2000 AD) in the multigenre section where the genres were always prefixed by a comma. Topic here - David Biddulph suggested that the first genre needed to be "first" not "y" and that fixed it - but none the wiser as to why 2000 AD (comics) didn't need the qualifier and was happy with a "y".

Now I've got the same thing on The 'Nam - but this is even weirder in that the existing revision has a "y" for the first genre, and the preceding comma, but if I change that to "first" then I still get the comma and also the first genre is bunched up without spaces to the second genre.

Should this be declared a bug in that the same criteria yields three different results:


 * 1) 2000AD - fine with "y"
 * 2) Leviathan - needs "first"
 * 3) The 'Nam - doesn't work with either "first" or "y"

They all use the Infobox comic book title template, so surely behaviour should be the same? Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Additional - I've looked up Template:Infobox_comic_book_title, however all that does is state that "first" should be used - but in practice that's not the case as outlined above. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Additional additional - if I mark "War" as first it fails. If I mark "historical" as first, then it displays as it should.  Why is this?  Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at the source of Template:Comics infobox sec/genre, it looks to me as if it's all coded for individual cases rather than any sort of general logic, so I'm not surprised that there are some individual oddities. I suggest asking at the talk page for either that or the main template you're calling. ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at the template code, all genres are listed in alphabetical order.  is not an option for which genre you want displayed first. It's a required value for the first alphabetical genre of those genres you want listed. That's why   fails. You cannot display War before Historical. The template could have been coded to avoid the need for the caller to specify   but it would require significantly more code with our rather limited template language. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 2000 AD (comics) doesn't need  because one of the genres is Action Adventure and that's always first alphabetically so the template automatically treats it as first. If the template was modified to accept an earlier alphabetical genre then    would be required when the earlier genre isn't used. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The parameter is called  but it displays as Action/adventure. According to the template, you cannot have adventure without action. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Aardvark fiction never really took off... Anyway, I have clarified the use of  in the documentation. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Skyway group
(header added) Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

hi i have been with skyway group for 8years i am having problems with my account and my wife having same issue please can someone help us 92.27.141.89 (talk) 11:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * IP editor: This helpdesk is exclusively for assistance with using and editing Wikipedia. We cannot help with any other matter. There is an article SkyWay Group you may wish to read. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

updating article
hello, i am trying to update the article Vicky Theodoropoulou Greek Writer. don't know how to keep one of the two same profile pictures i have uploaded by mistake. also i don't know if i have the updated is correctly done. i would appreciate your help. thank you Theodoropoulou (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * For the record, i have tried, and failed, to find appropriate sourcing for this article and have now taken it to WP:AFD. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 20:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Cannot login
We have been trying to reach Wkipedia to help us login for months. We are a non profit and we do not know who was our admin for the site OpenTravel (talk) 19:22, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @OpenTravel. Firstly, your username is in breach of our username policy as it seems to represent a company or organisation? Note also Wikipedia accounts can only be used by a single person, not shared.
 * That said, it is unclear what your question is. You are logged into Wikipedia right now. Are you talking about a different account? Could you provide the username if so? Please give more details.  Qcne  (talk)  19:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe you think OpenTravel Alliance was written by somebody from your organization and that's the account you are trying to get into. Don't, that's not how Wikipedia works. Articles don't have an "admin" and nobody owns an article. Accounts are for individuals, not organizations. The article page history shows contributions from many users who may or may not be affiliated with you. The orignal creation was by User:B3zra1y but they have no more right to the article than anyone else. Most articles are written by volunteers who are not connected to the subject. If you are connected then see Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * To add to what the others have said, I recommend reading the essay WP:BOSS, for more context. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

William James Neatby
I have a picture of William James Neatby and his first wife Emily taken on their wedding day. The picture you have was also taken on their wedding day and I shared it with Mr. B Strol (?) to be used on his web page. If you would like the wedding picture I will be happy to send it to you. I also have a picture of his second wife with their 2 children and William Douglas Neatby his son born to Emily.

Please advise

Ron Neatby Great grandson Of William James Neatby 2607:FEA8:2C5F:BA30:79AF:2B04:F5B9:45A5 (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * It's up to you if you want to share it or not, as photos (especially wedding photos) are not necessarily required for biographical articles. If you wish to share it, you can upload it with File upload wizard. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

My edits on "Summit-Level Canal"
My reference did not make it into the just-published revision of "Summit-Level Canal". Do I assume that the Wiki editor of the edits will fix this? ~

Stembrij (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Two references were both named ":0" so I changed one to be named ":1". Did this fix what you were asking about? RJFJR (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Handling mass unsourced edits
I have encountered an unsourced and seemingly wrong edit on the List of countries by obesity rate (I also made a comment on the talk page Talk:List of countries by obesity rate). I've tracked it down to the user Special:Contributions/37.211.172.77 that seems to have made many unsourced, and to my eyes wrong, edits, e.g.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badin&diff=prev&oldid=1221755115

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badin&diff=prev&oldid=1221755428

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sibi&diff=prev&oldid=1222374419

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sibi&diff=prev&oldid=1222374578

I'm not an expert on the topic, but some of these figures seem very unrealistic, and I can't find any sources supporting them. What should be done? 131.111.5.246 (talk) 23:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * In this type of case per a personal point of view, I will find ones sources that if it supports two or one of the edits, then they may be true (not confirming that they are). But whenever I see sources that oppose the edits and supports the former figure there, I will manually revert or revert all edits as unsourced entry while linking to the source I have. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 00:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)