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Artists4Ceasefire, conspiracy theory added?
Hi all

I recently wrote the article Artists4Ceasefire and I'd really appreciate some help with someone reviewing a recent addition which I've reverted because it appears to be a conspiracy theory. Another editor added what appears to be Israeli government propaganda claiming the pins worn by celebrities are not calling for a ceasefire, but celebrating a lynching. This appears to be some kind of conspiracy theory and I'd really appreciate some help with understanding what the rules are around this.

Thanks very much

John Cummings (talk) 00:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * This concern is better discussed on the talk page of the relevant article. To provide what little insight I have on the addition: There has been some discussion on the Reliable Sources noticeboard regarding the validity of the sources that were added in regards to this particular subject. If a news article is marked as "opinion" or "analysis" it probably bears scrutiny. Recon  rabbit  01:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much, I will discuss this on the talk page and will come back here to ask for help again if that doesn't work. Thanks again, John Cummings (talk) 02:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Am I allowed to add to a page if I have performed a live show about someone on Wikipedia?
I am not sure if I am permitted to add my show as called "The Connie Converse Universe starring Hope Levy" to the Connie Converse wiki page. Is this accepted? My show was premiered on May 20 & 21 of 2023 at the El Portal theatre in North Hollywood, ca. My show will soon be performing at the San Diego International Fringe festival AND the Hollywood Fringe festival this June 2024. I do have a profile written about me, Hope Levy and my show when I performed it on Nov. 2, 2023 at the Santa Monica Playhouse as written in the Santa Monica Daily Press as indicated in this link https://smdp.com/2023/11/02/connie-converse-rossini-django-toledo-gnr-khatchaturian/ Thank you for your help with my question. Hope Levy Hopelevy20 (talk) 03:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I would highly recommend you get someone other than yourself, and unrelated to the subject to add that. We tend to discourage editing articles that are closely related to yourself, as this is a conflict of interest. If you're interested in what this entails, please read Conflict of interest. vghfr  (✉  Talk ) (✏ Contribs ) 03:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

how to edit stuff
how tho TheGamer32544 (talk) 07:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @TheGamer32544 See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Malvika Bansod
Malvika Bansod my daughter has a wikipedia page as a celebrity. But as we read wefound out thatsome information needs editing. She tried editing it but was unsuccessful. Can you please help 194.206.11.65 (talk) 08:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Please read about how to make edit requests; you may use the article talk page to make a request as to what needs to be changed; preferably you should have independent reliable sources to support your claims. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See also our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

cellpadding vs. border
I have two colors that don't have enough contrast enough in a table at List of Men's Soccer Academic All-America Team Members of the Year so I am experimenting with possibly using cellpadding, but I can't find the right syntax. The closest thing I could get to work is a border.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 09:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Using colors in this way is discouraged for accessibility reasons (WP:COLOR); most of the other lists in this category don't provide any special team color indications (e.g., Atlantic 10 Conference Men's Soccer Player of the Year). Recon  rabbit  14:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * One could argue that COLOR actually supports presenting both team colors and team names (Ensure that color is not the only method used to communicate important information). I know that I have held conversations and told people I am a Michigan Wolverines men's basketball fan and have them talk to me about Tom Izzo being a legend. When I say they are green and we are blue, sometimes this clears things up. Some people mix up all the Michigan schools (Michigan Tech, Michigan State, Michigan, Western Michigan, Central Michigan, Northern Michigan, Eastern Michigan), but if you tell them the color it is a second way to communicate the information. I have trouble keeping track of the Texas schools myself. Also all the Cal State -- XXX schools. For a conference award, where there is a limited set of schools, the issue may be different. This is an award across all divisions of schools and some schools have the exact same name from different states.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree with Reconrabbit, this is especially unreadable: Johnson & Wales–Denver Wildcats --  AxG  /  ✉  22:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You are arguing about something under construction. I believe with that one the background color is not properly populating. I am going to have a list of schools at the end with similar problems. I am spending time creating and revamping the Academic All-America pages. I will also be asking about specific issues at List of Baseball Academic All-America Team Members of the Year. But the vast majority of those cells have sufficient contrast.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * User:AxG, We are discussing this at Featured list candidates/List of Football Academic All-America Team Members of the Year/archive1. Here is the 2nd half of my explanation there: Further color on team colors for athletics. On WP we place a high priority on affiliating players and teams with team colors in general. E.g. every sports team has clear presentation of its official colors. This is very abnormal for business and commerce in general. Try to find official colors on pages like Interpol, United Nations or any Fortune 500 company like McDonald's or Apple Inc.. In non-athletic business, official colors are not a thing. For athletics they are. Any bio of a player who is currently affiliate with a team has all kinds of automation presenting the official colors of this automation. Thus, whereas in general WP:FL may frown on highly colored list tables, affiliation of players and team is its own genre on WP. Presumably we do this not because affiliation is "non-essential information". Presumably this is a high priority interest to our readers. This list is attempting to uphold the broad consensus on WP that in athletics affiliation is preferably presented in prose and in color.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TonyTheTiger: Regardless of the importance of colour to a particular topic, WP:ACCESSIBILITY overrides everything. I am not in favour of using background and foreground colours to impart information, even as a secondary cue. There are other ways to depict colours associated with an entity, an example of which is used in Infobox college athletics, as seen at, for example, Shawnee State Bears; the Legend inline template can be used to achieve similar effects:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Team
 * + Example
 * Shawnee State Bears
 * Stevens
 * }
 * (That's a mock-up, and I would normally put effort in to improve alignment and presentation.) Bazza 7 (talk) 10:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * User:Bazza_7 can you direct me to the relevant section of WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Currently a college athlete such as Will Tschetter or a pro athlete such as Duncan Robinson has team affiliation prominently displayed in an infobox with cell padding and with white text. What about those formats?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TonyTheTiger: As @Reconrabbit mentioned above, MOS:COLOR is pertinent; in particular its first three primary bullet points.
 * The two articles you refer to above have coloured headings in their infoboxes; I do not know what the purpose of the colouring is. If it's to show information about them or their respective teams, then it should also be given in text; if it's just for decoration then it's not information and need not be there at all. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes is a very widely used template. Other sports have similarly popular templates with equally prominent color usage. In general, team affiliation is considered a piece of information of extremely high encyclopedic importance. When a player is in the news regarding a trade or a signing, it is often highly contentious with edit warring and special sets of rules. Often page protection has to be invoked. We seem to have conditioned the readers to assess team affiliation with both text and color presentation of the team affiliation. This is broadly done and commonly accepted across all sports on wikipedia. Others who spend a lot of time on sports might be able to give you more "color" (semi intentional pun) on this issue.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The two articles you refer to above have coloured headings in their infoboxes; I do not know what the purpose of the colouring is. If it's to show information about them or their respective teams, then it should also be given in text; if it's just for decoration then it's not information and need not be there at all. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes is a very widely used template. Other sports have similarly popular templates with equally prominent color usage. In general, team affiliation is considered a piece of information of extremely high encyclopedic importance. When a player is in the news regarding a trade or a signing, it is often highly contentious with edit warring and special sets of rules. Often page protection has to be invoked. We seem to have conditioned the readers to assess team affiliation with both text and color presentation of the team affiliation. This is broadly done and commonly accepted across all sports on wikipedia. Others who spend a lot of time on sports might be able to give you more "color" (semi intentional pun) on this issue.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Is the template uw-generic4 applicable with Ultraviolet's stardard installation?
I included the question in title. Just one question, that is whether the template uw-generic4 can be imposed using Ultraviolet's extension. Would be appreciated to help me. Thanks. 113.165.236.133 (talk) 11:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Yes, under the name "Generic warning (for template series missing level 4)". Chlod (say hi!) 11:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's why the general documentations does not seem consistent. 113.165.236.133 (talk) 12:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Userpage
Hello i accidentally moved my userpage, please move to the old userpage name, "User:MAL MALDIVE" thanks MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. I left redirects which may be helpful but just say if you want them deleted. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

'User does not exist'
I am new to editing and adding new content, but have now done several edits successfully. I have an old Sandbox begun for a new entry not yet added as I dont feel ready!. I added to an existing page a few days ago (text and an image). Going back today I note my username is in red and hovering over it says 'Page does not exist' and "talk" in red says "page does not exist". The edits are live and ok, but what do these words mean. Is there something I haven't done? I am logged in when I edit. Thanks EAG54. EAG54 (talk) 14:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Your username in red simply means that your user page(User:EAG54) and user talk page have no content on them. I will shortly place a welcome message on your user talk page.  It is not required that you add anything to your user page, but it is intended for the named person to tell about themselves as a Wikipedia editor or user. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Someone beat me to it. :) 331dot (talk) 14:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Was It A Penalty?
? 78.209.78.183 (talk) 17:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello fellow IP editor. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? 57.140.16.27 (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * . 37.163.208.1 (talk) 23:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @57.140.16.27 Thanks for your answer. Kind regards 37.163.208.1 (talk) 23:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Sortable tables
I am a bit confused as to why my table at 1994 College Baseball All-America Team is sortable and my table at List of Football Academic All-America Team Members of the Year are not. Both are set as class="wikitable sortable".-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Sort arrows are placed in header cells so the cells must start with  and not  . Additionally, if the cells have background color then use   and not   per Help:Table. Otherwise the sort arrows will not be displayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Scottish rulers
Your pages on the Scottish rulers all incorrectly show them as kings and queens of Scotland, in fact no such title ever existed or exists; the correct term is king or queen of Scots, as the people were (and are) sovereign in Scotland. I tried to edit but apparently the truth isn't regarded as helpful and it was immediately changed back.(I expect, predictably, whoever made up the entries is ignorant of the differences between the Scottish and English courts?) 2.27.20.67 (talk) 17:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Present some reliable secondary sources, then make your edit using those to back up your claims. You're most likely getting reverted due to lack of sourcing. vghfr  (✉  Talk ) (✏ Contribs ) 18:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a nationalist myth. Both titles were in use, just as early English kings were 'King of the English'. There is no special difference between England and Scotland other than in the minds of the nationalists. DrKay (talk) 18:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It would be great if List of Scottish monarchs explained this - it uses the term "King of Scots" in the first line, but without explanation. Furius (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and made this change. I have never heard this term used more commonly than "King of Scotland", hence why I also reverted the OP. Jalen Folf   (talk)  19:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the idea that Scottish (not sure about Pictish) monarchs were Kings/Queens of the people, not the land, is a widespread one which I, as an Englishman living in Scotland for a period, became very familiar with. I suggest that it needs to be described somewhere in Wikipedia (if it isn't already), and wikilinks inserted in other articles where appropriate. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186.221 (talk) 23:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Wikiwix archive
Is the Wikiwix archive used on the en wikipedia? I know its heavily used on the fr wikipedia.  scope_creep Talk  18:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Regency of Algiers, Ref 284   scope_creep Talk  19:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It obviously is used, but not systematically as at fr Wikipedia. I found a 2011 discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject External links/Webcitebot2. TSventon (talk) 21:02, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See . Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yip it seems to be. I've not seen it used at any kind of depth, but it seems to be used in hundreds upon hundreds of refs going with it as the archive. Its been answered. Thanks folks.  scope_creep Talk  23:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Style Guide
I'm a newcomer. Does Wikipedia have a Style Guide for articles and/or citations? Arahl1 (talk) 19:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yip, the WP:MOS.   scope_creep Talk  19:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see Referencing for beginners for how to make citations. There is a Manual of Style for guidance on style, formatting, and orher structural issues. 331dot (talk) 19:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:MOS and its various kindred pages are very good and very extensive, but I find it easy to get bogged down in details and lose track. If you want to write a new article, take a look at several articles with similar subjects to see how they are structured. Try to find some rated as "featured article" or "good article". After you've done that, the MOS pages will make more sense. -Arch dude (talk) 21:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Finding a word on a page
I get notices that someone referred to me (as an editor) on some discussion page. I go there and it would take 15 minutes to scan through all the text (often an archive page) for my user name. The search bar at the top searches all of Wikipedia. How do I search the one page in question? Edison (talk) 20:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * How are you reading? Mobile or desktop? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The notification has a "View changes" link to the diff which mentioned you. Searching a string on a page is a browser feature. Use in Windows browsers. In some mobile devices you can type in the address bar and select to search on the current page. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And with mobile Chrome you click on the menu and go down to search for word. Doug Weller  talk 21:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I forget that IOS sometimes is less useful than the PC. Edison (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)