Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2024 March 16

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Photo's being scrubbed of content
I had magnified the Orion Nebula. Located an object that the Webb took a distant picture of. How this object had been overlooked. It's has been scrubbed recently within the last week. What is there is not current and what I've saved on my phone. No notification of updates. The same as before 2016 2603:3024:9E8:6060:405F:3064:36B2:D949 (talk) 00:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Your initial Section and Photo added to Orion Nebula were reverted, correctly, by user because none of the text was referenced to any published reliable source (Wikipedia does not care about unknown individuals' opinions, whether mine, yours or any other editor's) and the text style was inappropriate for an encyclopedia, the entire added section read as if it were indirectly promoting your own photo.
 * That photo, admittedly an excellent one, is welcome in Wikimedia Commons where it still resides, and might be added to one or more articles in the future by other editors, but it would be inappropriate self promotion for you yourself to do so.
 * Your subsequent addition of two sentences to the lede paragraph, also reverted by Fountains, partly repeated facts already present in the lede, which should only summarise fuller text further on in the article, and it contained a grammatical error and a non-MOS use of a unit symbol. It might be appropriate to add a new section about amateur observation of the Nebula and the type of equipment needed to do so, but this would need to summarise material from published reliable sources and be correctly cited to them, rather than be one private individual's opinions (which, incidentally, I share). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.186.221 (talk) 04:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Section edit
I have recently redesigned my user page (User:Cambalachero), dividing it into sections for the topics I usually edit, and placing at each one the alticle alerts from the related wikiprojects, so I can see them all at a single page and have an easier time finding things to do. Problem is, the sections have lost the [edit] button at the right. I suppose that those article alerts must have a "no edit section" magic word (the wikiproject pages do not have such buttons either), and that's what prevents them from showing up at my page. Is there a way to counter that and force to edit section buttons to appear? Cambalachero (talk) 00:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Portal:Astronomy/box-header automatically hid section edit links. I have added an option to keep them and used it on User:Cambalachero. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. Cambalachero (talk) 02:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

User page questions
I noticed multiple users adding color (e.g. blue) name of their user page (header I think) when it is displayed. Also, I have noticed them add icons to their header. How would I do such in my user page? Mseingth2133444 ( talk / contribs ) 02:10, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Your question is not clear, Please provide an example of the pages you wish to emulate. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * hi @Mseingth2133444 and welcome to Wikipedia: you may use the magic word DISPLAYTITLE and    to color your userpage name. for example, if i was to color my title purple in my userpage, I would write   which would display  User:Melecie  as the title. note that there are many restrictions for DISPLAYTITLE including that the name you are changing it to should be identical to the page's original name (so while i can add color, i can't just have it display my name as Jimbo Wales, for example), which you may see in Changing the display title. for the icons, these are made using topicons and are often to used to show user rights (such as  or ) or featured/good articles one has worked on  happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 10:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah ok @Melecie. That answered my question, thank you! Mseingth2133444  ( talk / contribs ) 14:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Inappropriate citation on Spore (disambiguation)
Not sure where I'm supposed to report this but there is a citation for the band Spore (disambiguation) that when clicked links to a pornography website. Has nothing to do with the band. Thought someone should know. 2600:1700:2930:4920:18C:84A7:EC58:CA30 (talk) 02:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Please start a new section. Fixed. Mseingth2133444  ( talk / contribs ) 02:49, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit request
Please replace the signature file of the English Wikipedia 'Saddam Hussein' document with 'Signature of Saddam Hussein.svg'. Zegras (talk) 09:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * This is best asked at Talk:Saddam Hussein. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Need help
Hello. I made a mistake at War of the Goldsmith's Daughter, reference number 32. I am unable to find the actual problem. Can someone help please? Imperial [AFCND]  13:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I spotted a small inconsistency, and fixing that has made the error disappear. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Imperial  [AFCND]  14:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyright question
Regarding these pages: Their content is taken from pages such as:
 * The Economist Democracy Index (2022)
 * The Economist Democracy Index (2021)
 * The Economist Democracy Index (2020)
 * The Economist Democracy Index (2019)

... and that file says: "Copyright © 2022 The Economist Intelligence Unit Limited. All rights reserved. Neither this publication nor any part of it may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of The Economist Intelligence Unit Limited."

Apart from these pages being WP:NOT, are they also copyright violations? Pinging creator:. —Alalch E. 15:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * very good question. The analysis will take awhile. Please see Copyright in lists. If you have time, then after you reash a conclusion, please raise this in the respective articles' talk pages. My first impression is that the Economist used subjective value judgements, and the lists are therefore copyrighted, but I am not sure enough to actually tag the articles.-Arch dude (talk) 15:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I will not claim expertise in the area of intellectual property, but I think the extra verbiage in the copyright notice is of no force or effect. If you have a right to include, for instance, brief quotes from the content, based on the principle of fair use, then this extra verbiage in the copyright notice can't cancel that right.  Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, there is no penalty for making claims that go beyond what you actually have a right to claim, but IMO, it's just as if the "scare verbiage" in the copyright notice weren't present at all. Fabrickator (talk) 17:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yep, ignore the actual notice and focus on copyright law. Creative elements are copyrighted by default, including selection, composition, ordering, and opinion. Our articles violate copyright to the extent, if any, that they copy creative elements. -Arch dude (talk) 17:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's copyrighted creative material, and other than *brief quotations* is forbidden. Accent on the "creative", which is at the core of the issue here. If the Economist page were a list of the populations of the biggest 25 democracies, you can copy the population figures, because there is no creative element involved; you could look up the numbers by going to the sources. But that Economist page refers to a "Democracy Index" which you cannot look up anywhere else other than the Economist, because they invented it, and define it on that page as "60 indicators, grouped into five categories". That is "creative content" beyond just a population lookup or equivalent, and therefore cannot be copied into an article. Since that is the whole basis of the article, it is a copyright violation which should be deleted, and then WP:REVDELed to expunge it from the history of Wikipedia. Mathglot (talk) 09:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Total change of page?
Hello, As chairman of the Communications Committee of Stoa, I have been charged with rewriting the StoaUSA page. I have a new and accurate version, but it was rejected when I inserted it. Can I have some help? Jpattara (talk) 16:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * before you do anything else at all on Wikipedia, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID, and make the required dedlaration on your userpage. Then come back here and we can try to help. -Arch dude (talk) 16:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * i have read both of these articles about conflict of interest and paid editor.
 * I am a volunteer for this not for profit @organization, not paid. How can I proceed? The current article has incorrect information. 2601:248:5583:7DA0:2598:9C0C:4931:2285 (talk) 17:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please log in when posting. As I said in my post below, please read about how to make edit requests. You will also need to declare a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 17:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello. First, you are required by the Terms of Use to make a formal paid editing disclosure.  I will post instructions on your user talk page.  You should also read conflict of interest.
 * In most cases, you should avoid directly editing the article about your company, but you may make formal edit requests on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed. 331dot (talk) 16:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See also our FAQ for article subjects. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I want to clarify that these rules apply even though Stoa is a non-profit organization rather than a "company". Also, I don't feel we are harsh enough, in that we should make clear that while COI editors may request whatever changes they want, there should not be an expectation as to how this material will be incorporated into the Wikipedia article.  Just my opinion. Fabrickator (talk) 16:55, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Why Indian Veterans Primmer League Page Deleted?
Why Indian Veterans Primmer League Page Deleted? Bhavana Jagwani (talk) 16:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If it's anything like the version on your user page (which will soon also be deleted), it's because it's a copyright violation, being cut & pasted from ivplt20.com - Generally, you may not copy text from other sites to Wikipedia. Indeed, if you do so again, you may be blocked form editing.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Citing same source multiple times with different pages
How do I cite a source multiple times in one article, referring to different pages or sections of the source in each separate citation?

For example:

[1] Book A, pg 12

[2] Book A, pg 37

[3] Book A, pg 192

Thanks! Tsavage (talk) 20:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Tsavage, the standard methods are described in the documentation of the templates and . —Kusma (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The easiest way is to separate the citation from the references. You place a reference inline and have a bibliography at the end where all the sources are cited.  See Frindsbury for an example.  However, if this is an established page, then you'll have to follow the existing style.  In that case you may have to put the full citation inline.  You can then use sfn to link to the citation with a different page number.  Have a look at this and then use edit to view the markup: some words in a book followed later by some more words and after more waffle a conclusion. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Kusma @Martin of Sheffield Perfect!! Thanks! I usually find things, but how to do this and the sfn template were elusive. I even asked a couple of our new AI chat buddies and they didn't do well... Cheers. Tsavage (talk) 18:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

SIKH GURDWARAS IN NORTH AMERICA
I COULD NOT FIND ANY LISTING UNDER TEXAS. CAN YOU PL ADD HOUSTON DALLAS SAN ANTONIO AUSTIN THEY ALL HAVE MULTIPLE SIKH GURDWARAS 108.87.90.122 (talk) 21:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. Please do not type in ALL CAPS since this is perceived as yelling. I assume that you are asking about List of gurdwaras in North America. That list article is unprotected and can be edited by anyone including you. So, go ahead and add a "Texas" section, and add a reliable source verifying each entry. Cullen328 (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)