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Citing a newspaper article published only in paper form
I need to cite a newspaper article published only in paper form. The article appeared in The Wisconsin Jewish Chronicle on Friday, August 23, 1991. Here's a link to a scanned copy at Newspapers.com:

https://www-newspapers-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/image/50013383/?terms=%22keep%20pressuring%20shamir%22%20&match=1

How do I cite it? Do I put the above URL in the "Archive URL" field, or in the "URL" field, or in both? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 00:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Do not use Wikipedia library urls in citations because only registered Wikipedia editors can see the source. Use a url that goes directly to newspapers.com.  In, place the url in url; include the name of the newspaper in newspaper; include Newspapers.com.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 01:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * In addition to the advice from Trappist, if you have not read Newspapers.com, please do so as it contains specific information about using newspapers.com with Wikipedia, including advantages and caveats of using the clipping feature to make particular articles accessible to people who don't otherwise have access to newspapers.com. Skynxnex (talk) 01:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Adding to the above advice, a url is nice to have (obviously), but it's also not mandatory. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Uploading Book cover image on Wikipedia
Hi, I wish to add a cover image for the book Why Bharat Matters from a source like goodreads.com or amazon.com, but am unaware how to do that. I can only upload to Commons, but that led to Copyright issues and my changes were reversed (Refer: Reversal)

I see books pages that have images from such sources:


 * 1) Milk and Honey (poetry collection) - uses goodreads image as "Fair Use". It's Licensing mentions that the image qualifies as fair use under the copyright law of the United States. (Refer: File:Milk and Honey (poetry collection).jpg)
 * 2) Rich Dad Poor Dad - uses amazon.com image as "Fair Use". Licensing mentions same reason as above.Waonderer (talk) 09:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Waonderer, you should be able to upload the cover to Wikipedia with a fair use claim using Upload, as was done for the examples you quoted. See Non-free content for more information. Commons cannot accept non-free content, so the image uploaded there was deleted. TSventon (talk) 12:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That clarifies. :) Waonderer (talk) 17:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Waonderer, no image "qualifies as 'fair use'". Instead, a particular use of an image may qualify as "fair use". Wikipedia did not remove the image from Commons. Commons administrator removed it from Commons. You can upload a conventionally copyright image (of which I imagine that this cover is an example) to English-language Wikipedia, provided that you do so in accordance with a number of constraints and requirements. -- Hoary (talk) 12:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the kind reply. :) Waonderer (talk) 17:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

is wikipedia shutting down
just the title mush 185.99.21.66 (talk) 10:32, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No. Where on earth did you get that idea? AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps from a WMF fundraising ad? Cullen328 (talk) 17:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

How does Ultraviolet work?
I am confused. So I need help. Beep beep beep boop? 11:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you mean how to install it then see Ultraviolet/Install. If you mean which technology it uses then it's written in TypeScript, a variant of JavaScript. It runs in your own browser when you are at en.wikipedia.org if you request it in User:Whoop whoop beep beep/common.js or a similar page. Most browsers have builtin support for JavaScript. If you mean how to use it after installation then see Ultraviolet/Documentation. If you mean something else or still have a question then please be more specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Ip adress public
Hi, i need to get my ip address taken down as it is publicly shown due to my son mistaking editing something for his college coursework Safsexcellentcakes (talk) 12:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Welcome to a page for asking about the use of Wikipedia. If you edit Wikipedia while logged in as Safsexcellentcakes, no one will see your IP address. Whether or not you're logged in, if you read Wikipedia no one will see your IP address. If you have already made edits while not logged in, the IP address(es) of you as the author of those edits is displayed to those who care to investigate. -- Hoary (talk) 12:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. my son did it on our family laptop which was not logged into my account. Is there really any way to mitigate that and to get it down. Safsexcellentcakes (talk) 12:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Copyright status of works by the Navajo Nation government
Hello,

I found this image of JoAnn Jayne on the official Navajo Nation website, but after a lot of research, I'm not sure of its copyright status. I did not see anything in the Navajo Nation code which expressly deals with the copyright status of works created on behalf of the government (though to be fair, I don't know if it is a work created on behalf of the NN government), and cannot figure out if this would be a federal issue or not because of tribal governments' unique status in US law.

Thank you for any help on this question, JohnSon12a (talk) 13:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @JohnSon12a just making you aware of WP:MCQ. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 14:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you; should I move the question there, or just keep it in mind for future? JohnSon12a (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * JohnSon12a, as WP:MCQ is a better venue, you may as well move the question and leave a note here. TSventon (talk) 14:32, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Have done. Thank you so much for your help. JohnSon12a (talk) 14:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

This question has been moved here and thus this version is closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnSon12a (talk • contribs) 14:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Good evening
I'm a new page reviewer, but I'm yet to figure out where exactly is the option of sending a page from articlespace to draftspace is located, in the Page curation tool bar? I use mobile, so I have to turn to desktop screen to configure those tools, but still I couldn't find that option where new page reviewer send pages to draft and a message to the page creator simultaneously. The conventional 'move' tool doesn't send the messages to the editors, but I'm sure I have seen some reviewers do it who do both things at the same time, as a part of page curation process. I should be able to do it, but I don't know how to. Can anyone help? Thanks. zoglophie •talk• 13:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * They may have used User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft. This is revealed by "Tag: moveToDraft" like in . PrimeHunter (talk) 14:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

companies with 500-10,000 employees
Do you offer a list of Florida companies that have between 500-10,000 employees? 2601:58B:D81:3F0:A11E:1F96:1DED:DB0E (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Generally, Wikipedia is only concerned with subjects which meet Wikipedia's own special criteria for notability (roughly, that enough has been independently published about them to ground an article).
 * Lists in Wikipedia are of Wikipedia articles, or at least of subjects that are notable in that sense, and so could be Wikipedia articles.
 * This means that, even if we had a list of Florida companies that size, it would not be, and would not be expected to be comprehensive, as companies even that size are not necessarily notable in Wikipedia's sense.
 * But in any case, I doubt that anybody has thought it worthwhile compiling such a list in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does have a Category: Companies based in Florida category. I suspect there's a way to use WikiData to find all Wikipedia articles in that category (including all sub-categories and sub-sub-categories) that are about companies in that size range.
 * Wikipedia also has a List of Florida companies article, which (in compliance with the WP:NLISTITEM guideline) may mention companies that are not quite notable enough to support a stand-alone article about that company.
 * There are likely companies that do meet the stringent Notability guideline that are not currently listed in either place, simply because our volunteers (such as yourself) haven't gotten around to mentioning those companies yet.
 * And of course there are lots of companies that do good work but will never be infamous enough to meet the stringent Wikipedia Notability guideline.
 * Perhaps the Florida Department of State ( https://dos.fl.gov/sunbiz/search/ ) may have more of the information you are looking for. --DavidCary (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Templates on draft articles
What's the guidance for maintenance templates being used on draft articles? I've looked but haven't come across a relevant policy. I've seen some AfCs that have them but that seems redundant considering the nature of draft articles, especially before they've even been reviewed. Spagooder (talk) 16:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a specific guidance about it, but the goal of AfC is to get output from reviewers as for what might need to be improved/worked on, so cleanup tags would be redundant, especially if editors are in the process of writing the draft.  Coco bb8  (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If a draft has been submitted for review, I don't think it's unreasonable to tag for eg unsourced to give the editor an indication there's something they need to fix while they are waiting Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:18, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Personal information
good evening, I changed the photo on a person's page and the bar on the right with the personal information under the photo disappeared. how can i restore it? Elinakion (talk) 19:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Your account has no edits other than the above. What article is this about? 331dot (talk) 20:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s not for my profile in Wikipedia, I change some information to another profile. Check this please el:Σπύρος Μπαλωμένος
 * I change the photo and the personal information’s disappeared under the photo. Elinakion (talk) 20:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the English Wikipedia: questions about Greek Wikipedia need to be addressed there. Try el:Βικιπαίδεια:Βοήθεια χρηστών.
 * But if you are Elenakion, then in this edit, you replaced the entire infobox (πληροφορίες προσώπου) with the picture, rather than changing the picture within the infobox. ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, I'm sorry. However, can I restore the infobox? I imagine the settings are the same regardless of whether it is the Greek or the English Wikipedia.. Elinakion (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * An infobox has been added again. The image is one of several fields in the infobox. You used VisualEditor where an infobox field can be edited by clicking the infobox and then "Edit" below it (or something in Greek). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Trying to find a page that doesn't exist but should.
BALLROOM MARFA is an art foundation located in MARFA TEXAS. The foundation founded in 2003 by Virginia Lebermann and Fairfax Dorn. The Cultural institution which is a non profit space for contemporary art, music, film, culinary. The space has been host to over 2000 artists and gained international notoriety. The 501C3 Non Profit, has a website and has had the same address for the 20+ years that it has been open. Please help locate this foundation's page ? www.ballroommarfa.org 456Studio (talk) 20:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Are you referring to a Wikipedia article? This is not a general help desk. 331dot (talk) 21:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The article Ballroom Marfa was deleted more than two years ago, with the message:

2021-12-10T12:09:36 Deb  talk contribs deleted page Ballroom Marfa (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion).
 * In other words, it was inappropriate as a Wikipedia article. An article should summarise what independent reliable sources say about a subject, not what the subject's owners or promoters wish to say. Please see WP:G11, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOTPROMO. ColinFine (talk) 21:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Picture disappeared after editing
I corrected the name of my relative (Sallie MacCracken) from Sally in the article and in the picture caption at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=William_P._and_Sallie_MacCracken_Jr.,_1935.jpg but the picture that had been on the page disappeared. I am assuming it is because the name change broke the link to the photo. Can anyone help get it back on the page? Cindy Avery (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your edit changed Sally to Sallie in the name of File:William P. and Sally MacCracken Jr., 1935.jpg. There is no file called "William P. and Sallie MacCracken Jr., 1935.jpg". I have reverted your whole edit because the marriage source  and image source  both say Sally. Wikipedia is based on published reliable sources, not private knowledge of editors. If you want a name change then you must give a high-quality published source. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cindy Avery, in the New York Times the notice of her remarriage to Vice Admiral Vincent Murphy and the obituary of Murphy's death give her name as Sallie. It appears she used both names. The description of MacCracken's papers at the Hoover Library says "1918 Married, September 14 to Sally Lucille Lewis" and "MacCracken's Papers were given to the Hoover Library by Mrs. Sallie L. MacCracken Murphy and her daughter, Nell Elizabeth MacCracken". You can use that as a reference to show that she used both names. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Lupton family
I failed to obtain BOTH the  editor and publisher for ref number 91. please assist me if you can. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 22:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Scroll to the front of the book and you'll see both authors and publisher mentioned on the title page.  You need to check the date though, your citation gives 1931 whereas the title page shows 1934. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Lee Carson
Why is there no page for Lee Carson? She was one of the most respected war correspondents during War War II. Not only does she not have her own page, she isn't even listed on the page for war correspondents. If you tell me how to make her page, I'll be happy to start. 2601:185:80:5AB0:5114:DDD6:EAF2:47F (talk) 22:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is a work in progress. If a subject is notable, please go ahead and write your first article. Spagooder (talk) 23:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Lee Carson should have her own article. I hope someone finds the time to write about her. NYTIMES Lee Carson Reeves, Lee Carson AAM. Maineartists (talk) 23:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See WikiProject Women in Red/Essays for helpful information about how to write an article about her. That project's goal is to increase coverage of women on Wikipedia. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Carson is listed at WikiProject Women in Red/Journalists with some potential sources. TSventon (talk) 00:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)