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Am I able to upload and use this PMC article's chart?
I want to use one of this article's chart to be able to visualize landings, however, I'm unsure if I am able to do so. It states under copyright and license information that, "This is an open access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution Licence, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.", however, it also lists above it "Copyright: © 2016 Gonzalez-Pestana A et al." Does this mean I AM able to use the chart, given I cite, or that I am not allowed to because it is under copyright? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 00:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You can use it, as long as you attribute it: it is explicitly licensed under (some form of) the CC-BY-SA licence, which is what Wikipedia uses. ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

23-24 Tranmere Rovers Season Biggest Home And Away Win
I’m Trying To Add The Biggest Home And Away Win Onto The 23-24 Tranmere Rovers Wikipedia Page But I’ve Never Edited A Wikipedia Page So Can You Give Some Advice Please. Thanks. TRFCwiki (talk) 12:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * First, you will need to change your username, as it can't be that of the club(even abbreviated). You may change it at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * And, please, stop capitalizing the first letter of every word!  Acroterion   (talk)   12:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see Help:Introduction. If you can find a reliable source to cite (and I presume you can}, then you can edit Tranmere Rovers to add the result, citing the source (see referencing for beginners).
 * But please note that Wikipedia maintains a neutral point of view. You may add the result, but you may not describe it as "the biggest home and away win ever" or anything like that, unless you are directly quoting an independent source (that you cite). Evaluative expressions like that should never occur in Wikipedia's voice. ColinFine (talk) 13:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TRFCwiki: Hi there! You could also start a discussion on the article's talk page, Talk:2023–24 Tranmere Rovers F.C. season.  If you are an employee of TRFC or have any other conflict of interest, you must disclose that information.  You could provide the text you think should be added, along with your independent source, and ask a more experienced Wikipedian to add it for you.   You could also try the Edit Request Wizard if you like.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Repetitions caused by preceding a quote
I have maybe a little silly question, definitely a nit picky one; when I'm quoting someone, if the quote begins with the word that precedes the quote as in 'X felt it was best when "when whatever he felt was best"' should I be deleting the when inside the quote or outside? My instinct says one of them should go, especially per WP:LCM but I couldn't find further guidance and I'm not yet confident on my reading of the style guide. Ceervine (talk) 14:59, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Ceervine: I try to keep as much of the quote as possible, so I'd delete the "when" outside the quote. I don't know if there is any guidance in the WP:Manual of Style on this.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Ceervine General advice at MOS:QUOTE and the essay WP:Quote. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I cannot make sense of it with two whens. —Tamfang (talk) 23:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Guidance for handling spam on talk pages?
I undid some obvious spam on the talk page of an article (new section added with external IP address link, weird title mentioning invoices, edit made by unregistered user). I looked at a few of the WP help pages regarding spam and vandalism, and I still can't figure out if there is anything else I was supposed to do to handle it properly, or if just undoing the edit is fine. (The user does not appear to have made any additional edits.) KaiaVintr (talk) 15:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Talk:Rendering (computer graphics). Seems reasonable to me, put an edit summary would have been nice.  Please always link to the page in question so that other editors can see what you've done and answer your question in an informed manner. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Sorry, about not including the link, I was just being extra cautious of unintentionally directing anyone to the spam link, since it could be malware. KaiaVintr (talk) 15:25, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @KaiaVintr If you notice an IP (or an account) has lots of ongoing spam/vandalism edits then as well as reverting them you can report them at WP:AIV to ask an admin for a block. Clearly there is little point if the spam was a one-off. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have faith that neither Special:Contributions/196.190.62.229 nor User talk:196.190.62.229 is malware. —Tamfang (talk) 23:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah you're right, I assumed it was an external link because of the IP address and the preceding text. I guess it was either vandalism (pretending to be spam as a joke), or the variety of spam that's completely inexplicable. KaiaVintr (talk) 01:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

What can I do when I don't have editing rights other than creating a topic on the talk page
Hi, I recently found what I believe is a mistake in the first figure in the article about lowest common ancestors (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lowest_common_ancestor.svg). I strongly believe it was a typo in the dot source code of the graph – the arrows all point in the wrong direction. I wanted to fix it, but I do not have editing rights. I created a topic on the talk page (Talk:Lowest common ancestor) two weeks ago explaining why the graph shows descendants instead of ancestors citing standard literature on the topic. I want to stress that I am sure the author who created the figure knows that as later in the article its correct – I really think this was just a typo. However, it should be fixed to not provide a misleading intuition about the concept.

Until now, nobody reacted, which might be normal but as I am new to this I wanted to ask. Also, is there anything else I could do like ping the author or so?

(Also, I suggested an undirected rooted tree could be an even better first image as it is the case most literature on the topic starts with before generalizing it to DAGs, e.g. directed trees. I do not have a strong opinion on that though.) This-is-sof (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @This-is-sof: Hi there! I see that commons:File talk:Lowest common ancestor.svg doesn't exist.  What message did you receive when you tried to start a discussion?
 * Yes, you could try posting on commons:User talk:Qwertyus or User talk:Qwertyus, but the user hasn't been active since 2016.
 * You could also try posting on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics asking people to read your discussion at Talk:Lowest common ancestor and ask if someone would be willing to update the image if needed. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

No "move" option in my sandbox
I've had my account for over a year, and have made more than four edits. But for some reason, I still don't see the option to "move" (i.e., publish a new article) from my sandbox. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Agrave13 (talk) 20:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You need to have 10 edits, you only have 7. Even if you had enough edits, it is highly recommended that you use the draft submission process to first gain experience in having drafts accepted. I've added the information to allow you to do so. 331dot (talk) 21:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I think I was able to publish a draft for review. Two alerts seem to appear on it though. I appreciate the help! 2603:8001:7103:C66:3008:200A:FFD8:3183 (talk) 21:22, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the alerts are because you moved the draft into main article space when they AFC templates were already there. This is not normal: the idea of AFC is that you wait for a reviewer to look at the draft, and either accept it and move it to article space, or decline or reject it.
 * The alerts are drawing reviewers' attention to the fact that it was entered in the AFC process, but then moved, and so may need review.
 * It would probably be a good idea if somebody (@331dot ?) moved it to Draft space so it can await review in the normal manner. ColinFine (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Officeholder table
Hello, so I wrote this officeholder table, but for some reason, the contents of "altofficeholder" won't show up.

List of chairmen of the Free German Youth
! colspan=8| First Secretary of the Central Council of the Free German Youth Erster Sekretär des Zentralrates der Freien Deutschen Jugend
 * -align="center"

Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Maxwhollymoralground, according to the documentation in Template:Officeholder table, the parameter is called . You appear to be using , without the underscore. --ColinFine (talk) 21:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine Thank you, it now shows, but the infobox is skewed. Maxwhollymoralground (talk) 22:16, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Linking to a TV show transcript whose URL is not known
In Jonathan Jacoby, I'm referencing this episode of the Charlie Rose Show. The show's Web page has a "See Transcript" button for revealing the transcript of the show. I'd like to link to the transcript, in order to reference it, but no URL is shown for the transcript itself. In other words, it seems that one can only access the transcript by clicking on the button on the episode's Web page. Any suggestions? Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 21:36, 24 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Misha Wolf: A stroll through the source code of the episode page shows that the transcript is at this page. However, the transcript page lacks the information that the episode page has (e.g., series name, episode name, date, Jonathan's last name) with no link to the episode page. Therefore, I suggest linking to the episode page.  GoingBatty (talk) 22:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you referencing the episode or its transcript? Unless for some reason the transcript contains something you want to use that wasn't said on the show, I think what you're actually referencing is probably the episode and not the transcript, and therefore I'd say the episode and not just the transcript is what you should be linking to. Rummskartoffel 22:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, both. My problem is how to draw the attention of the reader to the content of the episode. I've created this Wikipedia article, about a person who has been, and is, playing a significant role in the US Jewish community, with a strong impact on attitudes towards the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. And then another editor has proposed deletion of the article, on the alleged grounds that the sources used are passing mentions. I think that some of the sources are, indeed, passing mentions and I do intend to get rid of them. Others, though, like the Charlie Rose Show episode are very much not passing mentions and I'm struggling to figure out how to make this clear in the article. I was thinking that if I could directly reference the transcript then any interested reader would see that this is really serious stuff, not some fluff. I'd very much appreciate any advice. Thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Misha Wolf Have you considered digging for WP:N sources here:? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That looks very useful. Many thanks! Misha Wolf (talk) 23:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering whether it would be appropriate to use "cite episode" for the Charlie Rose Show reference, as "cite episode" accepts a "transcript" parameter, so allowing one to link to both the episode's Web page and to its transcript. I tried doing this but couldn't get it to work. Are there restrictions on targets of "cite episode" references? Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Why was my user page deleted?
My user page (User:Schafesd) has vanished and is NOT in the deletion file. I DID search for it. Steven (talk) 22:09, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Your account has never edited your user page, and you have no deleted edits to anything like a userpage. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * For that matter, no one has ever edited your user page. Would it be the user page of a different account? 331dot (talk) 22:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's optional to create a user page for an account. You haven't done it. The account works fine without it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Much thanks to all who replied and so quickly. I thought I had created a user page but must not have. The confusion is my own. Please close this query. Steven (talk) 22:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)