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Help with a translated article
Hey there! I just translated an article from the Spanish Wikipedia under a user page (User:LeafGreen/sandbox/ARTMS) and now I want to move it into ARTMS but it already exists as a redirection, where can I find some help with this? I don't wanna lose the page history copy-pasting its content into the existing page. Thanks! LeafGreen (talk) 00:13, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If you submit it as a draft via Articles for creation, the reviewer, when they accept it as an article, will take care of those details for you. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.241.39.117 (talk) 00:24, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Right side box
How do I find the box on the right side to populate information? Gocoolit (talk) 01:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * If you're talking about Infoboxes, there's a bunch. Q  T C 01:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Gocoolit: Hi there! If you're looking for an infobox for User:Gocoolit/sandbox, try Infobox officeholder.  Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:37, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Gocoolit. Please note that the presence or absence of an infobox will not affect whether a draft is accepted or not. What will affect this, overwhelmingly, is whether or not you have adequate sources to establish notability. At present, you do not: two of the sources are largely interviews, and so no indpendent of her; the other merely mentions her.
 * Unless you have several sources, each of which is 1) reliably published, 2) wholly indepedent of Walton-Desir, and 3) contains significant coverage of her, then your draft will not be accepted.
 * If follows that every single moment you spend on doing anything at all other than finding sources which meet the criteria (see WP:42 for a summary) runs the risk of being effort wasted. This is first because if you cannot find the sources, the article will not be accepted in any form; and secondly because if you do find the sources, you may have to rewrite your work because (with limited exceptions) any information not in the independent sources may not go into the article.
 * Note also that external links are not permitted in the body of an article: they should be removed or converted into citations.
 * Also, here is my standard advice for people who plunge into trying to create an article when they have only just started editing Wikipedia: ColinFine (talk) 10:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Biography for a Indian Author/Architect
I have written a Biography for a Indian Author/Architect and its in my sandbox,how long it will take to publish

I have written a Biography yesterday and published in sandbox,BUT i am not getting that how to publish it to Wikipedia. its still in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amitesh560093/sandbox

Can anyone help me on this. Amitesh560093 (talk) 02:51, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * From a quick look, it has no references. See WP:REFB.  You should not link to LinkedIn, etc per WP:NOSOCIAL.  See also WP:YFA for additional guidance. When it is ready, you can add  to the page to add it to the list for review.  RudolfRed (talk) 02:56, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If the article is about you, read the guidance at WP:AUTO. Autobiographies are strongly discouraged.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Page Creation
I would like to create a page for my father who is a high official in the govt TKohli (talk) 10:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello, TKohli.
 * Note also that creating an article about somebody you are connected to is even harder, because of your possible conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 10:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TKohli: After making improvements on other articles for a while, see Help:Your first article. Be sure you declare your conflict of interest and write the draft based on reliable sources, not what you know about your father. GoingBatty (talk) 15:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @TKohli:I am heartened to hear that you want to contribute to building the encyclopedia. Please know that writing text is the easy part.  For it to be an article, you must use source code, and this takes some practice.  Before writing your article, it can be good to do some copy edit work.  You might look HERE as a way to begin with some simple tasks.  Also, the Teahouse is a wonderful resource for beginners and novice users when one has a question. This is in addition to all the excellent advice already given.  Kind regards to all.Hu Nhu (talk) 02:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Use of Picture
Can we use Medieval India coin images shown on Wikipedia for our use Angshuman deb (talk) 12:32, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Angshuman deb If you click on an image in a WP-article, like Coinage of India, the new page you arrive at will have information on the "Licensing" of that particular image, see File:Rajuvula_coin_Northern_Satrap_with_Greek_legend_and_Athena_Alkidemos.jpg for an example. Those are the rules that applies to that image. It can be complicated. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Online Translators?
If there's no article for a given language, is it ok to use online translators (eg. Google Translate or Glosbe) to translate an article into that language? It can't be much worse than the alternative of just not having the article. O.ALGIERS.o (talk) 14:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @O.ALGIERS.o: If someone's using machine translations, they need to verify that everything it processes is accurate and edit out its shortcomings. As the bottom of the section reads: Emphasis in original. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * That is the answer for en Wikipedia, other language versions will have their own policies. If you are interested in translating into a different language you could check the foreign language links at Translation. Translate us is a guide for translating articles from the English Wikipedia into other languages. TSventon (talk) 14:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Computational human phantom article needs updating
The article entitled Computational human phantom is in need of updating. I first read the page about 9 years ago -- it has not been substantially updated since then. I have content to add to the page about a set of computational phantoms developed mainly in Switzerland. This set of phantoms includes animal phantoms, thus, I propose that the title of the article be changed to Computational phantoms; I have read about how to use the move function to change a title. May I proceed with my proposed changes? PLBounds (talk) 14:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)




 * Discuss this on the article talk page with other editors: If there is consensus to change it, do so. (P.s. renaming an article is called a move) Industrial Insect (talk) 15:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

DJ Mac Cummings
What did I do wrong. I am giving you all valid information. Please help... Thank you in advance Djmaccummings (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You seem to misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. Have you read the messages on your talk page|? Shantavira|feed me 15:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * FWIW, editor now blocked by Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:19, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Move/Delete wrongly-capitalized redirect?
If a redirect has been created that has the wrong capitalization, do I request deletion? The deletion help page mentions trying to move the page instead, but that does not seem the way to handle a redirect.

redirects to

Kimen8 (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Kimen8, the redirect you linked is probably fine as WP:RPURPOSE includes Likely alternative capitalizations (for example, Natural Selection redirects to Natural selection). This is not necessary for user searches made via Wikipedia's search engine, but may aid linking from other articles and external sites, as well as direct URL entry. TSventon (talk) 17:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That quote would only make sense to me if the redirect had existed for some time and so moving it would be effort (i.e., preserving existing links' capitalization is more important than renaming it). This was just created a few days ago and has zero uses in articles. Kimen8 (talk) 17:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * To add, the redirect (correct capitalization) already exists (since 2015). Kimen8 (talk) 17:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It doesn't match any of the items at WP:R, so I would class it as harmless and not worth the effort from other editors to delete it. Have you read Redirects are cheap and Redirects are costly? You could try nominating at Redirects for discussion and see what happens.

Fixing article on DHCP, Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
I can't figure out how to fix it, but there's a reference template used at "Offer", IIRC. The basic document defining DHCP is RFC2131, which is already referenced at the bottom. It defines the whole 4-way protocol. (Basically, a programmer/sysadmin is expected by other programmers/sysadmins to KNOW that everything about the internet is defined in RFCs. It's part of their job to know that!)  Please fix it, I'm too confused, too old. Paulgrogers (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * @Paulgrogers: You should state clearly what change you want made to an article on its talk page.
 * (And no, a programmer/sysadmin is not expected "to KNOW that everything about the internet is defined in RFCs". Not every programmer or system administrator works on that specific technology: other stuff exists as well.) Bazza 7 (talk) 19:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

When are pings sent?
I don't quite get the "pings". I thought that a user gets a ping only when I add the "@" symbol, like this: @Z80Spectrum. However, one user is complaining that I'm pinging him, and apparently I have mentioned him without the "@", like this: Z80Spectrum. So, obviously, I don't understand when the pings are sent. Can someone point me to some kind of explanation? Z80Spectrum (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See Help:Notifications. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * See WP:MENTION and the section immedately below it . The only case I am aware of that's not mentioned there is that wikilinking someone's userpage in an edit summary will also generate a ping. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:06, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Best way to ask for collaboration in developing "Fishing industry in [country]" articles?
It's come to my attention that there is a severe lack of or development of "Fishing industry in [country]" articles. I think this a pretty major issue, so I went to the wikiproject fisheries and fishing talk page; however, I've observed pretty clearly that the wikiproject is severely lacking activity (may as well be considered dead), and, looking at previous topics posted on the talk page, it's obvious that my concern will be "ignored". So, I'm hoping that there is either a better place, or here, that I can ask for help in collaboration to develop "Fishing industry in [country] articles. Thank you! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 20:47, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Try the individual country projects (WP:WikiProject France, for example). Also those in WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pigsonthewing Thank you! Do you think it would be ok to post multiple topics in multiple related wikiprojects? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I think it would make sense to post on a few wikiprojects at a time, to see if you need to fine tune your message for some reason.
 * You may have noticed this already, but I have added another seventeen (or so) articles to Category:Fishing industry by country. There are another ten or so articles starting with Fishing in, such as Fishing in India. Further articles could be translated, such as fr:Pêche en France or es:Producción pesquera en Uruguay, although translated articles may need work to make them suitable for en Wikipedia. TSventon (talk) 00:22, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Pigsonthewing I also noticed there are a couple "fishing in [country]" articles, too, and was also wondering if it would be possible to make all articles more linear with each other? In other words, would it be possible to move these articles so that all articles related to fishing start with "Fishing industry in [country]"? Or do you think it would be fine to leave them as-is? In terms of translations, I think, rather than translating, it would be better to start from scratch in order to avoid problems with references, indirect translations, and other issues. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I would try moving the "fishing in [country]" articles as long as they are about the local fishing industry. If you can't move some of them, then you could try Requested moves/Technical requests.
 * You may not get much response to requests for help in writing the articles. Many wikiprojects are semi- or inactive and editors will generally only write articles about topics that interest them. TSventon (talk) 11:40, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * And I'm able to just move them like that? Sometimes I see templates stating that a move discussion is being made, so do I have to start a discussion, or can I just move the page? I also noticed that basically all the related wikiprojects I went to were very inactive, so I think I might go on somewhere like reddit to garner some attention to this. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 13:38, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You can Move a page if you are autoconfirmed (4 days old, at least 10 edits). Posiibly do the moves over two days and start a discussion if anyone objects. I moved Fishing in Portugal yesterday. If there is a redirect at the target, especially one with history, you may need to use Requested moves/Technical requests. The mover may start a discussion if they think one is needed. TSventon (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, many thanks for the help! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 14:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)