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Digital Cleanup Day
Hello! I reworked this article: Digital Cleanup Day. It was written in a very confusing and promotional way and had maintenance tags. But to save at least something of the original authors work, I wanted to keep his great source work. The problem: Wikipedia does not allow line break between superscripts (for example after the word „France“ in this article) Can you force it to break the line? Any help is welcome that helps this article. Thank you very much! Christian Thorwest (talk) 01:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm going to force it to have fewer references. See WP:OVERCITE. Remsense  诉  01:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow, that was fast! I suspected it would be solved this way. Many thanks! Christian Thorwest (talk) 02:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Cheers, happy editing! Remsense  诉  02:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The article still tells us . This is grotesque. -- Hoary (talk) 07:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from 65.110.15.161
I have noticed some vandalism at List of animal sounds. Namely, one of the entries, among the animals, is "Jews" with sounds listed such as "ANTISEMITISM" and "we did nothing wrong". Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, 65.110.15.161 (talk) 07:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * It appears this has already been addressed, but thanks for bringing it to our attention. DonIago (talk) 07:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

how to insert a photo in wikipedia page
how to insert a photo in wikipedia page 164.100.148.18 (talk) 09:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Is the image you wish to use already present on Wikipedia or Commons? 331dot (talk) 10:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ubnfortunately, it's not straightforward. Please see Help:Pictures ColinFine (talk) 10:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Edited all scam pages
Edited all bad data apps and codes 2600:1006:B110:4C16:8584:9C3D:7625:F66F (talk) 10:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Have you got a question about editing Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 10:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Two reference lists?
Hello! I have been expanding Chapter Two of the Constitution of South Africa and, at some point, a second reference list appeared. It is sort of like some of the references are implicitly being treated as a second citation group. I mostly use the visual editor for adding citations but I don't see anything amiss in the source code. Any chance someone can have a look at the article and tell me what has gone wrong? TYIA! Jlalbion (talk) 10:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Reference 41 has a refend template in it, which I'm sure is causing the odd behaviour. I suspect that simply removing it will fix the problem, but I've never seen this template before, and I haven't looked at the history to see when and why it was introduced, so I haven't touched it.
 * (You may need to use the source editor to see it, I don't use the visual editor). ColinFine (talk) 10:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I have removed the template. It was added here by Jlalbion, presumably unintentionally. TSventon (talk) 11:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both very much, I didn't spot that. It was indeed unintentional! Jlalbion (talk) 11:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Need an iphone user to take a quick look at this
We are having difficulty finding another iphone user with an iphone bigger than the smaller iphone SE 2020 that I have. Most iphones are bigger. We only need a few minutes of your time for a sticky header test. If you have an iphone please have a look at this test: Specifically: Please tell us if sticky table headers work without problems in these sandboxes: It should only take a minute to look at the table in that section. And another minute to report what you are seeing at the Village Pump. Please report there, and also tell us what iphone model you have. Thanks. --Timeshifter (talk) 01:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Village pump (technical)
 * Current styles: User:Timeshifter/Sandbox244
 * Proposed styles: User:Timeshifter/Sandbox243

Write an article
Hello all,

I would like to write an article about a painter. He is a belgian painter (86 years of age) and has done remarkable things, traveling around the world and even being friends with salvador dali! I am trying to publish a small article about his life and achievements, but everytime I post it, for some reason it gets deleted. I have to admit, I'm not an expert at Wikipedia.

Could someone please provide me assistance in publishing the written article?

Kind regards,

Jones Concepts by Jones (talk) 13:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Concepts by Jones. I see no other edits on your account apart from this help desk question. You may have been logged out when writing it. Could you supply the link to the draft you created, so we can check why it was deleted?  Qcne  (talk)  13:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for your reply. The article was removed. It was titled Bernard B Bergman, which is also the name of the painter I was writing about. I tried finding it myself, but I can't find the article ant more. Concepts by Jones (talk) 15:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Concepts by Jones Was this nl:Bernard B Bergman in Dutch Wikipedia? If so you could ask at nl:Help:Helpdesk. TSventon (talk) 15:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You appear to have just created your account, as you have no other edits. Can you provide a link to the article or draft, or tell its title? 331dot (talk) 13:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Is "Concepts by Jones" the name of a business? 331dot (talk) 13:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * We aren't mind readers. And given that you have neither provided the name of the painter, nor any means to even guess at it, we clearly cannot say why the article was deleted. Normally, when an article is deleted, the article creator will be notified, with an explanation, but you appear to have made no edits under your current account. If you edited under a previous account, I suggest you look at the account talk page, to see what was said. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @331dotNo, a profile name :)
 * @AndyTheGrumpI looked into that, but its nowhere to be found. I also didn't get an e-mail. I might have just did something wrong 😕 Should I just try adding it again? Concepts by Jones (talk) 15:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Was this on the Dutch Wikipedia? We can only help you with issues on the English Wikipedia, because each language Wikipedia is separate. 331dot (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like there may have been an article entitled 'Bernard Bergman' recently created on the Dutch Wikipedia - it was deleted as containing copyright violations. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * So that was the issue then. He had been in a museum with his artwork, so i added a few paragraphs on the book written about him and added a few personal stories he shared with me on it. Does this mean I can't use quotations from published books? Concepts by Jones (talk) 15:36, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Concepts by Jones, any quotations from your sources need to be very short and properly attributed - see WP:QUOTE for full details. Also, anything you put in an English Wikipedia article must be based on reliable published sources, not on anything the artist may have told you personally. If you have some kind of personal connection to this artist, please read and heed WP:COI. 57.140.16.57 (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was on the dutch. However, I intended to write it on the english Wikepedia. Does that mean I have to rewrite it? I was just checking the draft and it told me I needed to practice in sandbox.
 * By the way, thank you so much for the help. Concepts by Jones (talk) 15:34, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the Dutch and English Wikipedias are entirely separate projects. There may be an equivalent way of retrieving a deleted article on the nl: Wikipedia, akin to our WP:REFUND.
 * But it is worth understanding copyrighted text is absolutely prohibited on the English Wikipedia. Please see WP:COPYVIO. You can paraphrase and summarise, but not quote (unless it's a brief quotation).  Qcne  (talk)  15:47, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Concepts by Jones. When a new editor tries to create an article, they often have a frustrating and miserable time, because they don't understand crucial and fundamental concepts such as verifiability, notability, reliable sources, and neutral point of view.
 * I always advise new editors to not even try to create a new article before they have spent a few months improving existing articles and learning about those concepts. Then they can read your first article, and give it a go. ColinFine (talk) 15:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If the artist concerned is this individual, a quick Google search makes me suspect that the sort of independent, in-depth, reliably-sourced coverage that we would require to show that Bergman meets the relevant notability criteria to justify a Wikipedia article might be difficult to find: see WP:ARTIST. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

New article
Please let me know the status of my recent article on Harry Psomiades Rizos01 (talk) 13:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @Rizos01. If this is about Draft:Harry_J._Psomiades, you submitted it for review. As the yellow box says "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 7 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,908 pending submissions waiting for review.".
 * Did you have any other questions?  Qcne  (talk)  14:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Taking a look at the draft, I suspect it is liable to be declined again, as lacking sufficient secondary sourcing. Psomiades very likely meets WP:NPROF, but we need further sources that back that up. The Journal of Modern Hellenism article cited is a good start, but on its own very likely not enough. We need citations to material about Psomiades, not citations to material he's written. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Published (but please continue to work on it). It took seconds to find another source, confirming his notability. Thank you for your contribution. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

US Presidents
I want to correct a line on article " U.S. economic performance by presidential party ". Under the jobs by president chart. Donald Trump's final jobs number is incorrect. Each of the listed presidents start on the final jobs numbers. The number Joe Biden started with would be Trumps final jobs number. It's the case in all the others presidents listed in the chart. Teddy200 (talk) 15:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * If you want to suggest an improvement to an article, the place to do so is on the talk page of that article. --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've undone some recent vandalism on U.S. economic performance by presidential party that was affecting those figures. Deor (talk) 23:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

How to add a photo and bio information
Hi there this is the first time I’ve ever tried creating a page on Wikipedia. I have been hired by a friend to create an artist tribute page for her mother. I filled out her bio, but I would just like help posting a photo with her date of birth and place and date of death and place, it’s going to be as simple as that. I just wanted to set it up. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thank you. ForGloria (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @ForGloria: It appears your content is on your user page. I suspect it will be deleted shortly as it is entirely inappropriate for an encyclopedia, and Wikipedia is not a web host. Perhaps social media, a blog post, or a website would be better alternatives? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you. An art dealer recommended I try to create one as a tribute, I guess I didn’t understand exactly how it all worked. Apologies and I appreciate your help with this! ForGloria (talk) 18:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please also read WP:NOTMEMORIAL - Arjayay (talk) 18:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Citation present but doesn't support text
What is the most appropriate way to address an instance in which a claim in an article is cited but that the citations do not support the claim (assuming that I do not have time to find a more appropriate citation myself)? If there was no citation at all it would be a simple matter of adding a 'citation needed' tag but I'm not sure what would be the best way to approach this situation. --BeauregardTA(on a work computer) (talk) 18:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.254.70.167 (talk)
 * You are probably looking for the failed verification template. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That looks like what I'm looking for. Thank you. -- 140.254.70.167 (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

page review and publishing request.
Hi. I've just finished transferring a wiki page form the PL language to the ENG wiki. Can I ask for a review and publishing of the biography? It's in my sandbox now. thank you. Lemonidess (talk) 21:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in your sandbox? Theroadislong (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm editing the text right now. I'll reload the page - maybe there is a problem. Lemonidess (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've reloaded it - maybe there was some issue. I see it now. Lemonidess (talk) 21:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I've been working on this for some time now - so maybe I got logged out. But I managed to back-it-up.. so just pasted it again. Lemonidess (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You need to click publish, there is still nothing visible in your sandbox. Theroadislong (talk) 21:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * perfect - so now - do I hit: submit for review? Lemonidess (talk) 21:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes that's right. Theroadislong (talk) 21:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you very much. Lemonidess (talk) 21:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have accepted it here Przemysław Krych. Theroadislong (talk) 21:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lemonidess As far as I can see, you have not mentioned that your draft started as a translation of the PL version. You are supposed to attribute that as part of the copy-within-Wikipedia procedure. See Help:Translation. You can do this now by adding a template to the Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I used the Polish version - but not everything is translated directly - some parts are modified to fit more the English language - as well i.e. I eliminated some parts that would be relevant only for the Polish reader.
 * But no problem I will add the template to the talk page.
 * Thanks. Lemonidess (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Lemonidess I'm not sure what you mean by "relevant only for the Polish reader". If content is properly sourced it should be included, regardless of language or "relevance". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Polish readed living in Poland. In the polish version there is a fragment in the beginning of a scout formation - and its know only in Poland. And a few other fragments (but small ones) in the text.
 * But the rest is exactly the same. Lemonidess (talk) 15:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Time Zone Changing
Is there a way to change my timezone from UTC to EST? If so, how would I do it? WikipedianHelper123 (talk) 21:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * In your User Preferences, under "Apperance" there is "Time zone". ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! WikipedianHelper123 (talk) 00:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)