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How do I delete a picture?
How do i delete a picture i posted weather was yesterday or a year ago from being in the system so i can repost it on another page bc showing whole url now i dont wanna mess with that i wanna just post for one article page im making thank you Googoo85 (talk) 03:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Googoo85 I can find no files uploaded by you here. They are likely to be on Wikimedia Commons, which is the place for you to ask for help on this matter 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Googoo85 Your global contributions show several uploads to Commons, where we store images. Inserting these pictures into articles (or drafts) involves adding the correct wikitext. See Help:Pictures for how to do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Why is this table considered a lint error?
I saw "Multiline table in list" in the page information when the following wikitext was added to the page: The whole HTML table was on the same line. I'm not sure the reason for it. -- Justin545 (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I'd guess because the Mediawiki preprocessor interprets whatever is to the right of a line-initial asterisk as an attempt at a list item (Like this) . But AFAIK (X)HTML doesn't let you put block entities within list items. Additionally, a single-cell table is a somewhat bizarre notion. What is your semantic/layout goal here? -- Hoary (talk) 08:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I was trying to improve NumBlk and encountered the lint error. So I tried to simplify the template gradually while preserving the lint error. The wikitext in this question is the simplest one I could get. That’s why a trivial, single-cell table exists. (there was other cells in the table before) The lint error is called "Multiline table in list", but obviously it's a single-line table in my case. ...could it be considered a bug of the Linter extension or the preprocessor you've mentioned ?
 * My goal is to enable prepending asterisk to NumBlk calls without causing any errors, such as:
 * The bullet in front of the  seems disappeared in the current version. -- Justin545 (talk) 11:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd be slightly worried about putting a > in a table cell, and would replace it by the html entity &gt;. That's probably not the problem, but easy to try. Maproom (talk) 10:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've modified the wikitext. -- Justin545 (talk) 11:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Justin545 Numbered block has a large section on warnings about placing the template in tables. It also has other information about using the template within lists. In particular, contains examples using CSS. Other templates such as bulleted list might be used to simplify the HTML. Bazza 7  (talk) 11:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Justin545 Numbered block has a large section on warnings about placing the template in tables. It also has other information about using the template within lists. In particular, contains examples using CSS. Other templates such as bulleted list might be used to simplify the HTML. Bazza 7  (talk) 11:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Bazza 7 (talk) 11:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the bulleted list solution. Fixing the potential bug of the extension or preprocessor may be too aggressive to fulfil within a short period of time. Maybe I should take a look at how to integrate bulleted list into Numbered block's doc to avoid using too much HTML/CSS. -- Justin545 (talk) 12:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Justin545: Tables are for presenting data in rows and columns (MOS:TABLES). I can't work out why five characters should need to be presented in a single-celled table. What are you wanting to achieve? Bazza 7 (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please see my reply to Hoary above. -- Justin545 (talk) 11:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

AI-generated images
I need some advice on use of AI images. The articles David Copperfield and Great Expectations have recently had images added (and removed) which have been generated using AI, and are classed as 'own work' by the author. See those articles' talk pages. I have a personal objection to them on aesthetic grounds, but WP policies do not seem to consider that as a reason to object. However, a more important point is whether WP has policies which are keeping up with AI. In particular, is an editor now permitted to add their own original AI-generated art? Original text is not permitted, since it is usually classified as original research. The only policies I can find which are relevant are MOS:PERTINENCE, WP:IMGCONTENT,and WP:Image use policy, which do not help much.

Are there policies I have missed? Is there a discussion or a working group thinking about this? Without a policy, it seems WP could rapidly be flooded with original, AI-generated images, with no grounds to object. Masato.harada (talk) 09:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Masato.harada there is a similar question at Wikipedia talk:Image use policy, with a link to WP:WPAIC, where there is another related conversation, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject AI Cleanup. TSventon (talk) 10:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I believe that there's a stronger objection than any mentioned above to the recent additions to the Dickens articles. That is that they're works of fiction, made up by the creator and his AI. This is an encyclopedia, not a place for publishing works of fiction. Pictures created during Dickens' lifetime and with his approval qualify as part of his work; pictures created more than a century later don't. Maproom (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * It is also worth noting that copyright law concerning AI-generated artwork is far from clear, may vary from one jurisdiction to another, and seems to be dependent at least in part on the copyright status of data the AI was trained on. It is entirely possible for AI to generate derivative works in breach of copyright. Uploading AI-generated images while describing them simply as 'own work' also seems to be contrary to Commons good practice, at absolute minimum. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Also most of it is utter slop.  Qcne  (talk)  17:05, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Coverage of person recently deceased through hunger strike action (currently hypothetical)
I am currently working on an article concerning a climate hunger strike in Berlin, Germany, with five strikers at present. First a disclaimer: Iam not involved in the hunger strike, any associated organizations, the planning of events, media and social media liaison, those participating, or anything else related besides being an observer with a camera and some language skills who happens to live in Berlin. Ihave nonetheless chatted to strike participants and organizers when taking photographs and video, mostly to seek their permissions for publication.

My question is hypothetical at this juncture. Are there Wikipedia policies about appropriate editing in the event that one of the hunger strikers does succumb to their self‑starvation? Not something Iwould ever hope to happen, but equally, quite possible going forward. Thanks in advance for any guidance. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If that happens, then the article could be updated to summarize what is published about the event in reliable sources.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But note WP:NOTNEWS. ColinFine (talk) 00:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Useful to know, thanks for responding. RobbieIanMorrison (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)