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Richard Dawson (1855–1923)
Please repair ref. number 3 - I cannot. Sorry 03:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As the error message says, Cite journal requires you to set the journal= parameter. However, after downloading the PDF, this appears to be a book and not a journal, so you should change it to Cite book instead.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Nope, I'm wrong. I read a little more and it seems it is a journal, so the fix is to add "journal=The Law Times" to the citation.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cullen328 (talk) 03:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Creating a New Article that is currently a Redirect
Hey so I just wanted to start up an article about the main character of this one manga as many other side characters have their own articles and it currently redirects to the manga's characters page. I've been searching but couldn't find a concrete answer so I was wondering if I can just create a new Draft article or would I have to make it somewhere else then when it's finished paste it into the redirect, effectively replacing it. Janotalt (talk) 03:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you want to take the draft approach, then whoever accepts it can move it to replace the redirect. If you want to edit in the main article directly, you can do so (a 'redirect' is just a special string in an orginary page, so you can just replace that string with your actual article text). DMacks (talk) 04:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What DMacks says. But make sure that, even before you create the draft, you find enough reliable independent sources that discuss the character (see 42 for more about these) to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, because if you can't find the sources anything at all that you do on the project will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Sandbox question
For the first time ever, I put some stuff in my sandbox the other day. But as soon as I noticed the typical blue rectangle with Publish on it in the upper right I got cold feet that it meant what it does when editing articles. So I removed what I'd put into the sandbox and left.

My question: if I click on Publish, is that going to publish my article for the world to see, or just save it in the sandbox? If it's just to save it in the sandbox, I think a different verb would be better, like simply Save. Augnablik (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Augnablik the answer is both. You are saving the content in your sandbox, and the world will be able to see it there. The word publish is there to warn you of the second aspect. TSventon (talk) 09:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, @TSventon, thanks. I see that what you said does make sense, as I think more carefully about it. I recall now that the sandbox is open to the public, though it’s probably unlikely that anyone will go there unless having a particular reason.
 * I think the word Publish unnerved me for a moment and it seemed my sandbox would be more front and center than it really would have been. Augnablik (talk) 09:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Your sandbox and other userspace pages have noindex by default so they aren't indexed by external search engines like Google. Wikipedia's own search only searches mainspace (the encyclopedia articles) by default but users can choose to search other namespaces including userspace where your sandbox would appear. Sandbox edits show up in user contributions and recent changes like other edits. Everybody are able to see it, also logged out users, but there are probably very few who will. Don't place article categories on it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It says "publish" instead of "save" for legal reasons, to emphasize that all edits are public(even if some are harder to find than others). It used to say save, but Wikipedia's lawyers advised it be changed. It is confusing, but we have to deal with it. 331dot (talk) 10:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Multiple sites, “Civil Rights”.
One site is classic the other dates the end of the movement before Martin Luther King was born. No mention of King or his Peace Prize. This may seem minor but is classic “Black History”. Please remove or rename the incorrect site. Does the software always allow multiple such sites? Alceb1999 (talk) 12:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * If you feel that a particular article is missing some information, please raise your concern on the relevant article talk page, for example, Talk:Civil and political rights- which is about a broader field than the Civil Rights movement led by Dr. King. 331dot (talk) 13:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia is a worldwide project and civil rights is a worldwide issue. We should not focus excessively on the United States when covering worldwide matters. Civil Rights movement is the article that focuses on the US, and that article mentions King and his Nobel Peace Prize in its lead section. Cullen328 (talk) 18:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Tagging for missing information
Is there a tag for indicating that an article is missing important information? Ingratis (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Template:Missing information. See also Template index :-) Perception312 (talk) 13:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Ingratis (talk) 18:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

How do i decide for a certain word search to redirect to a certain article?
How can I make it so that if someone searches or enters an article link to the name "Najib Khan Yousafzai", it redirects to the page Najib ad-Dawlah? RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 14:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hello. That is what a redirect page is for. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and created the page as it is pretty clearly a valid redirect, all I had to do was enter #REDIRECT Najib ad-Dawlah onto the previously blank page at Najib Khan Yousafzai. It really is easy if you seer any other missing alternate names elsewhere. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 18:12, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I notice sometimes that when you click on a redirect thing, It takes you to a page where it shows you an arrow of where the page is redirected, usually when an article name move happens and you have to manually click it to go to the redirect.
 * I don't want that to happen, in what situation is that a thing? RevolutionaryPatriot (talk) 01:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As fa as I know, that would normally only happen if you clicked the backlink at the article you hgad been redirected to, or if there was some other issue with the redirect page itself, i.e. it was a current nominee for deletion. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It happens if the link has  like https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Najib_Khan_Yousafzai&redirect=no. Wikilinks like   never adds that but the interface does in some situations, and some templates and editors do it on purpose when they want you to see the redirect page. It would be possible to make a script which bypasses this and takes you to the target instead but then it would become difficult to edit the redirect or view its page history when that's what you want. There is one situation where a wikilink can lead to displaying a redirect page: Double redirects. Example of a double redirect follows the first redirect to Double redirect but then stays there. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Image on "Wendy Beckett" page
A few years ago someone changed the picture on Sister Wendy's page to a portrait they had done of her. This feels like a strange form of self promoting to me, and though it is a nice portrait, I feel like there are some better photographs that could be used for her page. However, I am not very familiar with Wikipedia and image uses and rights. Does anyone know how I should figure out a picture that's useable? Are there limitations? Thanks! Ricecookerhours (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree that it is non-standard to have a painting in the infobox, although Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart does because there were obviously no photos back then. The problem is that an image would have to be free to use, and the selection on Commons isn't great, and the portrait of the nun Wendy Beckett appears to be the only one.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 19:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ... and, sadly, although a Google image search has many pictures of Beckett, none of these have Creative Commons licences. This is often the case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The article had no image before the portrait. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As she is now deceased, we could upload a "real" image under our WP:NFCI provision #10. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for your input! Ricecookerhours (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

How to get English as one on the list of 8 others for a page
Here is a link to a page in German,

de:Cinema Strange

for which there are 7 other languages for this article--but English is not one of them. I wish to add it to the list, or migrate the content to the English version of Wiki.

Thanks in advance! UruMajik (talk) 21:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The subject page Cinema Strange was protected (i.e. prohibited from being created) since 2008, as the previous versions failed to establish the notability of the band. What you can try for now is starting a draft about the subject, and translating useful contents from the wiki of the other languages. When you feel that there're enough contents to justify a whole article, submit the draft for review, and make a request at WP:RFUP. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Información errónea contributiva
hola, estoy tratando de hacer una corrección importante en un artículo y lo rechazan. Wikipedia es un portal de información importante donde no debería haber información errónea, menos apareciendo en todas las páginas de diferente forma. Aunque no tenga que ver con la academia ni la formación, siempre se debe mencionar la verdad y la historia como es, y Monroe e Isabel no tuvieron 3 hijos, tuvieron 2, Elizabeth fue hija de su primer matrimonio con Hilda Melin, quien falleció. Gracias a otras páginas donde realmente aparece la información real, pude investigar algo. Aunque sea un detalle pequeño, es importante y no se debe cambiar. 37.134.11.101 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You seem to want a change to be made to some article. That article will have a talk page. At the foot of the talk page, propose the change. Provide a reliable source for the change. (Writing in English would be appreciated, but not required.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

List of fictional books
I was looking to see if there were a page called "List of fictional books," and got this message: "There is a page named "List of fictional books in the works of Susanna Clarke" on Wikipedia." The link was to Clarke's page. The word "fictional" does not seem to be on the page. What gives? Kdammers (talk) 22:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Back in 2013, there had been such a list: this. But turned it into a redirect. -- Hoary (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You might instead find Category:Fictional books helpful. Shantavira|feed me 09:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I guess you used Special:Search. If I type  then the redirect List of fictional books in the works of Susanna Clarke is suggested but clicking it doesn't go to the page but shows search results starting with your quote. This is normal behaviour for Special:Search. The standard search box on all pages would have gone to the page. I use User:BrandonXLF/GreenRedirects so redirects are easy to spot. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Image problem
Earlier I uploaded File:Logo of the Beaufort Delta Divisional Education Council.png whic I got from here and it's being used at Beaufort Delta Divisional Education Council. However, the wording is not visible. Any way to make that readable? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 23:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I think what I'm seeing is that part of the image is semi-transparent and needs to be layered over a background? My c heap guess on how to get it to render properly would be to screengrab it and upload that. There's probably a smarter way to do it but I feel like that would work. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * At their homepage, the image has color-filled text and a white background. How about grabbing that actual file? DMacks (talk) 03:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We have no good way to display images with white text on transparent background. You said here and on the file page that you uploaded https://beaufortdeltadec.ca/themes/custom/bddec/logo.png but that's the colored text version for me. Just upload that for real. The file you actually uploaded looks like https://beaufortdeltadec.ca/themes/custom/bddec/images/footer-logo.png. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks all. It was the last suggestion that worked. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 14:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)