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Anne Wignall
Please help - I keep trying but get it wrong - I read the helpful suggestions from "Hoary" (thanks) but still didn't "get it' - I added in the URLs and then the names of the publications - but it is all wrong. I will take a break from doing this - as I have done in the past. Sorry again. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If it is indeed article XXX within the magazine titled The Sketch, article YYY within the magazine titled The Bystander, and article ZZZ within the magazine titled The Tatler, then what are XXX, YYY and ZZZ respectively? (I mean, what are the actual titles?) If one or more of the three doesn't have anything that can be called a title, please briefly describe it. (And in this message thread, please.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC) edited Hoary (talk) 01:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Western Heights College
The same problem is seen as above (Anne Wignall) in this article with ref. number 8 - "site journal" - BUT it DOES say "journal" - I don't understand. Please help 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Very obviously, it's not something that appeared/appears within a journal. As a "master plan" for 35 pages of A4, it isn't any of various other things either. It is on the web. Therefore please replace "Cite journal" with "Cite web". -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

EDITING WIKIPEDIA ENTRY
I AM TRYING TO UPDATE A WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ABOUT MY HUSBAND WARWICK FYFE AUSTRALIAN OPERA SINGER. IT IS NOT UP TO DATE, BY ABOUT FIVE YEARS. EVERY TIME I TRY TO EDIT THIS, THE BOT UNDOES MY WORK AND WILL NOT LET ME MAKE ACCURATE ALTERATIONS. R.FrancesFyfe (talk) 04:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @R.FrancesFyfe: First off, kindly refrain from using all caps as it can be seen as shouting and rude. Second of all, you shouldn't be directly editing an article about a subject with whom you have a conflict of interest. Please disclose that somewhere, preferably on your user page. You may make edit requests on the article's talk page, provided that you have reliable sources that are independent of your husband. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What Tenryuu says. The article's talk page is Talk:Warwick Fyfe. And saying that you have reliable sources isn't enough: you must instead specify which of them will verify which of the facts that you want added. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

HOW TO PUBLISH ARTICLE
Sir/Madam I am write a article of my regiment in wikipedia page. The article has been write and publish but not display in live page and my article still in draft 832LT REGT.PL solution for the same 832LTREGT (talk) 06:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added the submit code, however if you submit it will be declined because you have zero independent reliable published sources, you will also need to disclose your conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 06:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The tittle of the "Monolayer-protected cluster molecules" page
Hello. I was advised to ask the matter here in general section. The tittle of the page was changed during the acceptance of the article. We think that the current tittle is not informative. The tittle seems to overlap with already existing tittles such as "Nanocluster" and "Thiolate-protected gold cluster". Furthermore, it is currently ambiguous and not totally aligned with the content. Is it possible to change the tittle to be more informative? We would suggest it to be "The crystal structures of monolayer-protected clusters" or something similar, because the crystal structures are the main focus of the page. Iridium27 (talk) 06:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * @Iridium27 Technically, pages are retitled by making a WP:MOVE but in this case it does seem worth having a discussion first and the logical place for that is on the Talk Page at the current title, using the process outlined for potentially controversial moves. My suggestion would be to call this a list article, since the text says This article is designed to be a list of known structures of MPCs and most of the content is indeed list-like. We certainly would not give it a title with the first word "The": see WP:DEFINITE. The relevant Project to alert to your discussion is Chemistry, at WT:CHEM. See WP:CANVASS for how to do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

What does #article-section-source-editor mean?
I've been seeing this a lot recently in editor's description summaries, but I have no idea what it means Masato.harada (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't know this for certain, but I would bet that this is a tag automatically applied when an editor chooses "Edit" on a single section, using the source editor. ColinFine (talk) 10:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Masato.harada Can you provide a link to an example? Shantavira|feed me 11:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This came up on VP/M, the thread is archived at Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_77. I'll ask and  is they can update us. DuncanHill (talk) 11:17, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Example: Dracula (1931 English-language film), edit made by User:193.17.86.145 on 26 May 2024. Masato.harada (talk) 11:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * These can be ignored, they are for technical tracking. The implementation of that will soon be changed from using these less-helpful edit summaries to change tags, see T323875 for technical details. — xaosflux  Talk 15:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello all, this is Amal Ramadan, I am the Movment Communications Specialist supporting the apps team.
 * The apps team has figured out how to create these tags and has started implementing them, as all the tags can't be done at one time, every two weeks different tags will be added. You are welcome to subscribe to the ticket to stay updated on our progress T360164. ARamadan-WMF (talk) 08:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Silence on template clarification proposal
On May 11, I proposed a change to a label used by the Infobox_musical_artist template, in order to reduce ambiguity and confusion. (Origin => Launch location, with some alternate proposals) No discussion started, so a week later I invited discussion from the WikiProject:Infoboxes talk page. Another nine days have passed, still without discussion.

I'd be fine with a consensus against this change, indicating I was mistaken regarding its overall benefit. But total lack of discussion seems unfortunate, given how any reduction in confusion over a widely used template would provide a great benefit. Could one or more people here take a look, or point to a potentially interested community that should be invited to discuss? Thanks.

Dotyoyo (talk) 10:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I've added a reply there. I hope that helps start discussion. Feline Hymnic (talk) 11:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is an issue across the project. It's hard to get people interested in these discussions, but easy to get their criticism after the fact. I would say WP:SILENCE applies. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. On the Reference and Help desks, if a query has had no reply in over a day, even if I can't give a satisfactory answer I often post something, knowing that others will be motivated to correct or expand on my inadequate response. It often works. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.67.173 (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Consensus first
The Sapsby user has been writing for several weeks that the cappuccino was born in Austria. Almost all sources claim that the cappuccino originated in Italy; according to this source,, "Although the name 'Kapuziner' was used in Vienna, the actual cappuccino was invented in Italy, and the name was adapted to become 'Cappuccino.' It was first made in the early 1900a, shortly after the popularization of the espresso machine in 1901. The first record of the cappuccino we have found was in the 1930s.", cappuccino originated in Italy. I don't know what to do anymore; I wrote to him to first reach a consensus on the discussion page, but he continues undaunted. I'm not the only one who advised him to discuss first on the discussion page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cappuccino&diff=prev&oldid=1223987338). I would also like to talk about Eduadoros; on the bagna càuda page there are many open discussions about the origin, but this user decided to add his information without first reaching a consensus on the discussion page. JacktheBrown (talk) 11:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi Jack,
 * Can you go the the "Talk" page. I have written to you several time but you don't answer. Now the version is quite neutral, I don't understand why you still delete all my modifications. It seems that you don't read. there are several points that I would like to change but I am waiting for your response. Eduadoros (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @JackkBrown: Stop changing your edits after someone else has responded to them, . It's rude and contrary to WP:REDACT. If you really want to alter your text after somebody else has responded, then use deltext or ins. And make sure you follow WP:ES when you do so. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:31, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This is not a help desk issue. The help desk is for questions about how to edit, not to resolve editing disputes or behavioral issues. The talk page of the article in question or WP:ANI are better suited. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 17:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)