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How do I request Google to re-crawl a Wikipedia article?
I changed an article, but a day later, the old version still shows in the Google Search infobox. How do I request Google to re-crawl it? Félix An (talk) 03:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . Since Google isn't operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, I don't there's really much that anyone can do to help you here with something like this. You might just have to either try to contact Google directly or wait a bit longer to see whether Google eventually catches up to Wikipedia. In addition, if the article you're referring to is Lee Man-hee, you might want to be a bit more WP:CAUTIOUS with your edits because changing the content "religious leader" to "cult leader" as you did seems like a potential WP:BLP violation unless you can strongly back up such a claim with some really solid reliable sources. Furthermore, you seem to have more than a casual interest in the subject matter based upon WP:NPOVN, which might also be another reason to be CAUTIOUS. Please remember that Wikipedia isn't really the place to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reminder. I have cited a WP:RS (New York Times) that was cited on the main article for Shincheonji. It would be important to state that Shincheonji is a cult, since as the main article states, citing NYT, "It is considered a pseudoreligion or cult by mainstream churches". Thus, the view that Shincheonji is a legitimate denomination of Christianity would be considered a WP:FRINGE viewpoint. I'm not trying to WP:RGW, but there were legitimately WP:SPA accounts making COI edits to the aforementioned article in his defense. Félix An (talk) 05:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The article I was referring to was actually the one about emailSanta, since I asked Google to clear their cache, and it hasn't been re-indexed yet, so the Google infobox doesn't show up for that article. Félix An (talk) 05:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This might provide the information you are looking for ... might --> https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/ask-google-to-recrawl . User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 04:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Haha. Not possible at the scale of Wikipedia. Just let Google pick it up naturally. – robertsky (talk) 05:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Did someone say, "contact Google directly"??? Uporządnicki (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of X# (XSharp) topic
I see that the topic and references to the X# (XSharp) XBase development language have been deleted. Why was that done? This language is very much alive. RobertvanderHulst (talk) 06:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . The article XSharp was deleted per the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XSharp (2nd nomination). If after reading through that discussion, you feel an error was made, you can ask the administrator who deleted the discussion for clarification by posting a message on their user talk page. The administrator's name is . Just for reference, the article was also deleted more than 10 years ago per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XSharp as well, but apparently got re-created at some point. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The deletion in 2009 did not have anything to do with the current XSharp page: we started this project in 2015. 185.238.130.61 (talk) 17:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The article XSharp, RobertvanderHulst, was most recently nominated for deletion as recently as April 2024 (and deleted in May 2024), as can be seen in Articles for deletion/XSharp (2nd nomination). If the article deleted in 2009 was irrelevant to that deleted just this month (and I neither have checked this nor intend to do so), no matter. -- Hoary (talk) 00:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am not familiar with the workings of Wikipedia.
 * What should I do to "undo" the deletion of the page? RobertvanderHulst (talk) 06:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You can't undo the deletion of the page yourself. You can, however, seek further clarification as to why the page was deleted by discussing things with the administrator who closed the deletion discussion. If after discussing things with said administrator you still feel that the deletion of the article was not justified, you can request a Wikipedia:Deletion review. However, such reviews usually require some substantially new significant development showing that a mistake was made and that the subject really is Wikipedia:Notable for a deleted article to be restored. So, you should be prepared to make such a case if you want to avoid your request being summarily declined. Before you do any of this, however, you might want to carefully read through the "Wikipedia Notable" guideline page I linked to above, try to step outside of yourself and really objectively assess whether the subject matter meets the relevant guideline. This might be hard to do if you're somehow connected personally or professionally with the subject matter, but you have zero chance of having the article being restored if you're unable to clearly establish a credible claim of Wikipedia notability. If your self-assessment fails to clearly establish such a claim, there are WP:ALTERNATIVEs that might be more suited for hosting content about this subject matter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Why was it deleted, RobertvanderHulst? The AfD nomination reads: "This programming language does not have enough WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG" -- which of course looks like alphabet soup but means that the subject doesn't have enough "significant" coverage (as opposed to mere mentions, etc) in reliable sources (which must be independent of the subject) to be "notable", as this term is defined hereabouts. (NB This has nothing to do with the quality of the subject. Few would argue that "Fyre Festival" wasn't a crappy non-event, but its very crappiness got significant coverage.) The deleted article came with three references: "XSharp Home web site", "XSharp extension for Visual Studio (Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace", and "Open Source X Sharp repo source code on GitHub". For "notability" purposes, that's a feeble collection indeed. -- Hoary (talk) 07:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up Drafts Reviews.
Hi,

I simply want to know where I can find information about the status of my drafts. It's been three months since I submitted them for review. Thank you!

Erin Erin1313 (talk) 09:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You just need to view your drafts; Draft:Erin Simpson is submitted and pending. As noted on the draft, it may take some time for a review due to a backlog, please be patient. You will get a message on your user talk page when action is taken on your draft. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! :) Erin1313 (talk) 00:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Erin1313 why did you re-submit your draft after I declined it? You didn't add a single new citation that proves notability. I have declined it again.  Qcne  (talk)  08:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Erin1313 I have had a look at the draft and I am afraid your sources do not show you are notable under WP:NENTERTAINER or WP:NPEOPLE. Your sources are:
 * An interview, cannot be used to establish notability.
 * An interview/engagement piece which doesn't establish notability.
 * An interview/baby piece, which doesn't establish notability.
 * A simple listing, which doesn't establish notability.
 * An interview, cannot be used to establish notability.
 * An interview, cannot be used to establish notability.
 * A Primary source, cannot be used to establish notability.
 *  Qcne  (talk)  09:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I will also draw your attention to Articles_for_deletion/Erin_Simpson from several years ago - nothing much seems to have changed since then I am afraid.  Qcne  (talk)  09:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia listing of biography
Dear Friends

I wish to enlist my fathers biography in wiki as he is quite renowned name in administrative and political circle and have contributed to the development of country in earlier phase.

How can I have help from wiki on this and what all documents I need to share to check his eligibility Bhismak1962 (talk) 11:03, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:NBIO will apply in this case. Generally there will need to be multiple in-depth coverage of your father from sources that are reliable and independent from him. Avoid using WP:ROUTINE coverag such as announcements of your father being appointed to certain roles. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:09, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You already started, in your user page: the wrong place for it. I've moved this to User:Bhismak1962/sandbox. -- Hoary (talk) 12:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * This also sounds like a case where a conflict of interest may occur, regardless of whether you are paid to edit the article. Generally, you should avoid editing or creating articles where you are involved in some way. See also An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Angelita C. et al. v. California Department of Pesticide Regulation
I have two questions about errors on this article.


 * 1) Short description with empty Wikidata description -- there is only one wikidata, yes? I am getting sent to a translated page, but I think that is irrelevant. And not all that unreasonable, since I have had a French language browser on here. But. Here is the question: My edit history over there says I created (Q125816523) and I did this in English. Am I just waiting for some sort of pending changes review? My edit count over there is pretty low. Or is this a Wikidata helpdesk question?


 * 1) CS1 maint: date and year -- What is this complaining about? One of the references had both a date and a year because the SFN template wasn't working and this turned out to be over a non-standard date format. Mar/Apr2012 or something like that. The sfn documentation said it was ok to use both a year and a date, but Wikipedia documentation says a lot of things. But. I found the same article (Huang) in another place with a standard date, and the sfn works now. I realize I could edit my javascript to display the error but I would rather not right now. Can any of you tell me what that is all about?

Thank you for any brainpower applied to these problems. Elinruby (talk) 11:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I think I am fumbling my way through the wikidata problem. Would still like an answer about the date error if anybody has one, thanks Elinruby (talk) 11:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Don't use both "date=" and "year=". (If you really need to express such facts as that your source is the "2003" issue of whatever and that it was actually issued in November 2002, then do this in some other way, e.g. by making sure that "2003" appears within the title.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * date and year is in:
 * The source says "Published online 4 August 2009" and "Published in issue 15 September 2009". I think you should stick to year when  is given. Category:Short description with empty Wikidata description is not an error but just information you are free to ignore. A Wikidata description is not mandatory. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Aha I am looking at the wrong reference, thank you. So the secret is view source? Anyway, I am going away a happy camper and will consider this confirmation that the documentation page is out of date or something. Appreciated, all. Elinruby (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Category:CS1 maint: date and year has code you can place in to see "CS1 maint: date and year" at the reference:
 * It's also possible to view the html source with your browser and search for the text. Or copy the wikitext to Special:ExpandTemplates and search the result field. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you all. Elinruby (talk) 21:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you all. Elinruby (talk) 21:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

person profile to be added
good day. What is the process if i would like to add someone's profile /history to this Wikipedia Bernadetteburrell (talk) 13:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * We don't have profiles here, we have articles. Your question would be similar to asking "what is the process for giving a violin concert at Carnegie Hall?"  It takes a significant amount of knowledge and practice; while it is possible to dive right in, many who do this often end up frustrated and angry as work they spent hours on has things happen to it that they don't understand.  I don't want you to have bad feelings here.  I highly recommend that you first do things like edit existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  Using the new user tutorial is a good idea as well.
 * If you still want to attempt to write a new article now, you should first spend time gathering independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the person you want to write about(not interviews, brief mentions, or mere coverage of their activities) that you can summarize in an article. You should also read Your First Article.  You may then use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft for review. 331dot (talk) 13:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Captcha
I literally am typing the correct word but it says I'm not. LemonadeGirlll (talk) 16:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * We can't really help you fill in the CAPTCHA. However, we might be able to help if you tell us exactly what you were trying to change, and it's possible someone would make the change on your behalf, if you'd like. Tollens (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * In my experience, when Wikipedia presents me with a captcha and I get it right, it acts as if I'd got it wrong and presents me with another one. But I can ignore that and just carry on to the thing I was trying to access. Maproom (talk) 17:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Blue background for some history entries
Hi. What is the meaning of the 'alice blue'-like color background in the revision history here, for the two most recent edits? First I was thinking pending changes, that maybe someone forgot to add the lock icon, but I don't see any pending changes being added in the article history. Thanks. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 17:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I think what you're seeing is the revisions selected for comparison via the "Compare selected revisions" button at the top of the history page. If you click one of the round buttons next to the (cur | prev) on each entry, the highlight should move to that entry to denote that it is selected. Tollens (talk) 17:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, of course. --62.166.252.25 (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Need help with the "Sanitized CSS"
I'm trying to create a styles.css here; But, when trying to use it here I'm Geeting this error. Please help me with it. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 17:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * An administrator or template editor will need to change the content model of the page for you. If nobody does so within an hour or two (someone will probably see this here), feel free to add Edit template-protected to the talk page of that CSS page along with a request that the content model be changed to Sanitized CSS. Tollens (talk) 17:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That should actually be edit interface-protected. Only WP:INTADMINs can change the content model of another user's (unsanitized) CSS page. You can also avoid this hassle by first creating the page as a subpage of Template:TemplateStyles sandbox/Vestrian24Bio/, then moving it to your userspace. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh, of course. Not sure how I forgot that admins can't edit user CSS. Thanks also for the pointer to creating the page in template-space, meant to include that in my original reply. Tollens (talk) 18:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for your guidance 🤗. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 06:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

My contributions are removed but they are correct
Hello,

My contributions are correct as i was a producer and remixer for the band under a remix name ( I have a disk on my wall at home from the record company). I added my details to the page but it keeps getting reverted and i have no idea why, could you explain please?

Thank you. Deavall (talk) 17:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The article appears to be I Want Your Love (Atomic Kitten song) and based on the username, you have added yourself as "Lee Deavall - Monolith Mix production, Q's Detonator production". This may well be true, but it needs a reliable source.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , you added your name to the Lymm section. But the word "notable", when used here, means "having a Wikipedia article about them". You are not notable in that sense, so your name was removed. Maproom (talk) 18:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ok, thank you for clarification. 86.154.176.76 (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Louis Adamic
Louis Adamic died in Milford, not in Riegelsville (as you can see in his grave https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2007/192/6879688_118429111663.jpg). Can you change this information? 151.68.244.129 (talk) 18:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The place of his death appears to be cited to a reliable source (though I haven't looked at the source mtyself, since it's behind a paywall). If you want to challenge that, you need to adduce an equally reliable source, which Findagrave is not (see WP:RSP). If you have such a source, please open a discussion on the article's talk page, and try to reach consensus. ColinFine (talk) 19:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine but the epigraph in his grave is reliable. 151.68.244.129 (talk) 19:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, then it's up to you to argue that on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

How do I create a totally new page?
There are already companies with dedicated pages that operate in the same space as the one I want to contribute (see: Sila Nanotech) but the company where I am involved, that is actually ahead in commercialization, Group14 Technologies, has no presence on Wikipedia today. I can easily use the Sila page as a template so that users can have a handy way to compare the two. Memphremagog (talk) 20:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * You can use the general structure of Sila Nanotechnologies as a starting point for your article, but as you have an inherent conflict of interest with Group14 as someone "involved" with the company my best advice is to write a draft and submit it through Articles for Creation. Recon  rabbit  20:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that I'm to disagree to some extent with ReconRabbit, though I agree with their final suggestion.
 * My point is that the "general structure" is not relevant until you have laid the groundwork by finding the required independent substantial sources to establish that the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Talking about the structure at this stage is like thinking about the layout of a house you want to build when you have not surveyed the site to make sure it's fit to build on, or checked local building regulations.
 * I always advise new editors to not even think about creating a new article until they have spent several months learning about Wikipedia by making improvements to existing articles. Once they have an understanding of such fundamental concepts as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable sources and notability, then they can read your first article, and will have a possibility of creating an acceptable draft.
 * This is in addition to the extra complication of trying to create an article about a subject where you have a conflict of interest: this is not forbidden, but it is likely to be even harder and more frustrating.
 * You will need to bear in mind that, and that absolutely nothing from your personal knowledge should go in the article unless it can be cited to a reliable published source - and, in most cases, to a source unconnected with the company. ColinFine (talk) 20:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Updating a symbol used in an infobox
Hello, helpers! I have been tasked with updating an outdated logo icon that's used in the infobox on the right side of the Union Station page (among many other places). Looking at the infobox's coding, it merely says "symbol = Metrolink," but I don't know how to update that "symbol" to mean the uploaded as opposed to. Can anyone help? Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Are you employed by Metrolink? If so, you will need to make the Terms of Use required paid editing disclosure.
 * You should also change your username to be more individualistic; you may do this via Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS.
 * Logos aren't typically uploaded to Commons, as doing so means that you are making it available for anyone to use for any purpose with attribution. Logos are typically uploaded to this Wikipedia locally under "fair use" rules. You also claim that you personally created the logo. If you didn't, and if you don't want to make it available like that, you will need to request its deletion from Commons. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your answers. I really have absolutely no idea what I'm doing.
 * I have added the paid editing disclosure. I'll request the username change.
 * I looked at Wikimedia Commons and saw that previously a handful of logos had been uploaded. I'll make the request to delete what I've added and see how to upload it properly.
 * Once it's all sorted, do you know how to change that symbol label? Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We all didn't know what we were doing when we started here. Don't worry, and thanks for working with us. 331dot (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Username rebrand successful! Trainsyaytrains (talk) 22:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do, once you have changed your user name and made the mandatory declaration of your status a a paid editor, is to post an edit request on the article's talk page, asking that somebody uninvolved update the logo with the one you've uploaded. (Note that this is not straightforward: Template:Rail-interchange says The template maps f (where, how) → to brand, link, icon(s) allowing the whole of Wikipedia to be easily updated when a transport network switches operator, changes name or updates their logo, but I'm not sure where this happens.
 * @331dot: C:File:Metrolink icon.svg claims that the relevant laws put the icon in the public domain. If this is correct, then Commons is the right place to upload it. ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Colin! I really appreciate your time explaining. Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . In addition to information provided above by 331dot and ColinFine, that particular logo appears to be being displayed in infobox of the "Union Station" article via the template Infobox station; in other words, the file in question isn't directly found in the article itself, but it's be transcluded into the article via the template. So, to change the file, you will need to find where it has been in the template's documentation and then change it there. It looks like the file has been added to the infobox template via the templates Template:Rail-interchange and Template:Rail-interchange/doc/US. Since there are lots of moving parts and multiple templates involved, it would probably not be a good idea for you to try to update things yourself because you could make a mistake that would impact lots of other articles. Moreover, the "interchange" template is protected to prevent any such mistakes which means only certain users can edit it. So, you might want to ask for assistance with this at Template talk:Rail-interchange or Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains. Another thing to keep in mind is that non-free content (i.e. the "fair use" referred to above by 331dot) can't be used in this way (i.e. transclusion into articles via templates); so, whether the logo being used in the templates can be updated largely depends on the copyright licensing of the file you upload. If you're not sure what that might be, you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or c:Commons:Village pump/copyright. Just make sure to provide a link to where the logo can be seen online to help others assess it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Very informative! And I agree--I probably should not attempt to do this myself with my rusty 2009-era Wikipedia editing knowledge (lol). Thank you so much! Metrolinktrains2022 (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, Colin. 331dot (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The logo can be updated in the code of Template:Rail-interchange which currently includes . Users without the required right can click the "View source" tab and "Submit an edit request" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Submitted. Thank you, PrimeHunter! Trainsyaytrains (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi again . Are you also c:User:Metrolinktrains? If you are, then there's a slight problem with the licensing you've chosen for File:Metrolink Icon 2022.png that you should address. The cc-zero license you chose states that you are the copyright holder of the logo, but this seems unlikley given everything you posted above unless "you" means "Metrolink (California)" in the sense that you've been granted the legal authority by Metrolink to represent them in matters related to intellectual property rights. Just being an employee of the company, for example, doesn't mean the company has authorized you to represent it in such matters; so, this logo is most likely not your "own work" and you can't license it as such. Another problems is that the logo itself seems to be way too simple under US copyright law to even be eligible for copyright protection; so, even if this was your "own work", there's nothing there that you could claim copyright ownership over. There are various reasons why something might be considered to be within the public domain; so, while your licensing choose isn't correct so to speak, it's a mistake that can easily be remedied by changing the licensing from "cc-zero" to PD-shape or PD-logo. You should then correct the file's description to change the author parameter to "Metrolink" and the source parameter to an official Metrolink website showing the logo being used. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That last part "it's a mistake that can easily be remedied by changing the licensing from "cc-zero" to or . You should then correct the file's description to change the  parameter to "Metrolink" and the   parameter to an official Metrolink website showing the logo being used." --- I am so unfamiliar with where and how to do this, but as soon as I get unblocked, I will attempt. Thank you for this explanation! Trainsyaytrains (talk) 17:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Install RedWarn in PT wiki is possible
I use TwinkleGlobl, Warnings and reversion and Fastbuttons to combat vandals. So this possible to install RedWarn in PT Wiki? Vitorperrut555 (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Vitorperrut555 It'd be best to ask directly on that other wiki, this help desk is for questions relating to the English Wikipedia.  Coco bb8  (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 22:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Cocobb8 Ohhhh.... Vitorperrut555 (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)