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[ATTENTION, please.] RD: T. Mohandas Pai

 * This is a brand new article with only 305 words of prose and just long enough to qualify. Coverage of the subject's life seems a little thin, but okay. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Formatting looks fine. And, Earwig did not find any problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. However, it would benefit from an expansion on "his contributions to the development of the city of Manipal" so that readers would appreciate why he was "referred to as the 'architect of modern Manipal'." --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks for this note. Did my best by adding some additional content. Please have a look when you have a moment. Not stellar but beets minimum expectations imo. Thanks again. Ktin (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, @Ktin, for the additional materials. Looking good. --PFHLai (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mo Ostin

 * More than long enough (700+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, no formatting problems, and Earwig found no issues, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 02:54, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support article looks so good. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:22, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

[ATTENTION, please.] RD: Khalid Ibrahim

 * Oppose on quality Unfortunately, references are not clear and proper, as there are several parts of the article that isn't supported within the references listed. Elaborate cause of death isn't necessary for RD, which shows in Bill Russell. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Time to look at this nom again? This wikibio has grown quite a bit, with sourcing also augmented, the past few days. The first paragraph of the Early life and career section needs footnotes. The rest of the wikipage looks better and may be due for a re-review. --PFHLai (talk) 16:24, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted RD) RD: Nichelle Nichols

 * Filmography needs to be sourced but outside one CN in the body, it is close. --M asem (t) 19:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Andrew🐉(talk) 20:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support someone opened the hailing frequencies, and it looks like the needed citations are beaming into the article as we speak. 🖖  Imzadi 1979  →   20:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to add, her groundbreaking nature would support a blurb, IMHO.  Imzadi 1979  →   20:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - More sources are being added, article looks in good shape Funcrunch (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I love Star Trek so I am biased, and I'm probably the only one who thinks so, but there might be an argument for a blurb here. She was groundbreaking in television. Was she the most famous, even just among the cast, no, but she has influenced many. 331dot (talk) 20:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You're not the only one; I would also support a blurb. Funcrunch (talk) 20:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think she could deserve a blurb due to the groundbreaking & influential nature of her role as Uhura, but it isn’t a slam dunk. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support When it's ready, I would mind a blurb. She was groundbreaking for black women on the screen, and seeing articles and condolences flooding in from all over the world, I'd say she was definitely well known. --cart -Talk  20:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD. Although a good actress with a wider impact, I wouldn’t say she is blurb-worthy. She didn’t break new ground or radically change things - this feels a bit more like Carrie Fisher, where the fan vote overtakes the guidelines. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 21:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This part of the intro to her article sounds groundbreaking to me: "Nichols' portrayal of Uhura was ground-breaking for African American actresses on American television. From 1977 until 2015, Nichols volunteered her time to promote NASA's programs, and to recruit diverse astronauts, including women and ethnic minorities."
 * Apparently Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. thought her work was groundbreaking, as he personally convinced her not to quit the series. From her article:
 * "King personally encouraged her to stay on the series, saying she 'could not give up' because she was playing a vital role model for Black children and young women across the country, as well as for other children who would see Black people appearing as equals, going so far as to favorably compare her work on the series to the marches of the ongoing civil rights movement."
 * IMO that supports a blurb. 71.11.8.34 (talk) 01:00, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD I'm bearish on blurbing Russell, and clearly Nichols is far below him in significance (no disrespect, I like Star Trek much more than basketball). Anyway, the article looks in posting condition to me. Nohomersryan (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * YES!  What has gone wrong with Wikipedia.  I heard of her death on TV Network Eening News and came here expecting to see announcement, etc.    I know its a Sunday afternoon in summer but... 2600:1700:1FFC:0:F97B:8D83:D9D9:8C98 (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose several entries (some of which don't even have links to articles) in the latter tables are unreferenced. This is a bit silly when we know we need these claims to be referenced that anyone would support at this time. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Had a look now. Couldn't track down anything usable for Surge of Dawn (which appears to be a truly Z-tier movie) and Star Trek Adventure (a vague theme park ride with several incarnations). If they're a barrier to posting and no one else finds anything, they should be taken out. Nohomersryan (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't find sources for those either. WP:ITN says Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable. This is not contentious, and leaving it with a cn tag should not prevent posting. Commenting it out is another option. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD A couple fairly trivial cites missing. Not enough to hold up posting. [Very sad news. I am feeling my age right now. Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted RD. Please feel free to continue with the discussion on blurbing. --PFHLai (talk) 01:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Age Blurb If there's something to be said of how Nichelle Nichols' death is a milestone in black or television history, say that instead. Her influence hasn't changed from when she was alive at 88, 84 or whatever retirement year. Explain the significance of her death and consider me Supportive. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If we were going to post a death blurb for a Star Trek TOS cast member, I can't help thinking we missed the boat when we didn't post Nimoy. —Cryptic 21:19, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Nimoy was a white male, a group rather well-represented in tv shows. He was hardly groundbreaking in any social sense. cart -Talk  11:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) UEFA Women's Euro 2022 Final
Weak Support - Article looks fine, but it is not on ITN/R and we already have a lot of other football tournaments there, that being said Women's sports is underrepresented and the mens tournament is in ITN/R.🌈   4 🧚‍♂ am  KING 👑  19:13, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * just wanted to state that the blurb should link to the final instead of the tournament, at least in its current condition. The Tournament page suffers from the standard issues of Sport tournament pages (table overload and lack of prose/match overviews). 🌈   4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  19:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - reworded blurb to link to the article on the final (as we do for other tournaments) Smurrayinchester 19:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. I would argue that, going forward, WEURO should also be ITNR; as mentions, women's sports is underrepresented at ITNR for its increasing popularity. Sceptre (talk) 19:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment/Suggestion - If this gets posted with a picture, take the crest of the three lionesses (england womans football team) instead of the wembley-photo - as this blurb is about an england national football team winning an international tournament. offtopic: I wonder if the IP, that suggested this news, would have done it, if germany had won the tournament. anyway, congratulations! --LennBr (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That crest is a non-free image, so that's not possible to use on the Main Page. --M asem (t) 19:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if this was biased suggesting, it would have been suggested eventually, it's still a big tournament. Captain  Galaxy  20:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I probably would have listed Germany’s victory, but not as quickly and not as happily! If the Wembley picture doesn’t suit, File:Keira Walsh (cropped).jpg is an image of the player of the match, which would suit well. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support I'm not seeing any quality issues within the article and it is big news for women's football with a record breaking attendance. Captain  Galaxy  20:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support "Football has come home, it has come home, it has come home, it has come....." Oh sorry, slightly distracted by England's glorious victory over the old enemy. ;) Article is fully sourced and looks great and broke so many records for women's football.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 20:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality for now. A few issues: (1) no match summary in prose (a perennial issue for noms of this sort!); (2) the "route to the final" contains tables within a table, which is not compliant with MOS:ACCESS ; (3) a few citations needed in the "Aftermath" section. Support on significance though, this seems to be widely reported even in news outlets such as NY Times and Sydney Morning Herald which aren't part of the area covered by the tournament. A great day for English football! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have resolved issue (2), so (1) and (3) outstanding! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prose summary. Good to go now, Support.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle but does need a prose match summary. As soon as that is done, consider this a full support. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:11, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per PK3 on notability but oppose per Amakuru on lack of suitable update. If I get time I'll do it myself, but I'm sure there are other content writers out there who write about football other than me and Amakuru. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support for all the reasons given so far. ed g2s &bull; talk 22:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We already have eleven (11) instances for association football at WP:ITNR, that is the highest for any sport or any topic even. If there needs to be a further mention of AF related titles, it needs to be discussed at ITNR first, this is already too cluttered as is. Gotitbro (talk) 23:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Some of them like Copa whatever and Bungholefister have never actually been posted. Those national tournaments need to come down, except maybe the EPL. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Except for the fact that "Bungholefister" is actually a major competition in the world's most popular sport. In any case, the argument that being a national tournament disqualifies football leagues from being posted is pretty trivial when we post American college basketball (which I'm pretty sure nobody outside the States watches) and the Boat Race (which I'm not sure anybody in the UK watches). AryKun (talk) 04:01, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * COLLEGE BASKETBALL KLAXXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --LaserLegs (talk) 11:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Be honest with me, does anybody really care about Women's March Madness? I can see why the men's tournament is ITNR, of course, but the women's tournament isn't even the most popular women's basketball tournament in the US.
 * Also, for what it's worth, the fact that you immediately went to xenophobic homophobia without any sort of prompting means that you're in serious need of maturing a little. Just my two cents. Sceptre (talk) 17:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * "xenophobic homophobia"? WTF are you talking about? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose no match summary (reading soccer is even worse than watching it but people who care will want to) then easy support. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:58, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There are citations tags all over the "aftermath" section. There is no summary of the game's events. Does it even mention that the German captain Alexandra Popp was injured in the warm-up? I don't think it does. She is mentioned in the last sentence before "Match" and then... what happened to her? She's vanished. Not in the team. It's only because I heard this elsewhere that I know about it. Shouldn't the readers know?
 * Also, this is a recurring event that is not listed on the In the news/Recurring items. Gotitbro's comment suggests this would be the 12th of its type. But is that all? There are other regional tournaments. England play Brazil in the UEFA–CONMEBOL Women's Finalissima (says UEFA Women's Euro 2022). This is because Brazil just won the 2022 Copa América Femenina Final (which has a better match summary than the Euro final). Then there is the 2022 Women's Africa Cup of Nations... the 2022 CONCACAF W Championship... the 2022 AFC Women's Asian Cup ("the oldest women's international football competition"). Are they all going to be included at ITNR? Please state how this one is more important than the Copa América Femenina. Since the winners qualify to play each other? Are there going to be 16 recurring items of this type in the future?
 * I would prefer to support 4iamking's proposal to include the women's version of every tournament listed at ITNR. There's no point adding more for the same sport. There are a lot of events missing in other sports, e.g. the World Women's Snooker Championship, the AFL Women's Grand Final. --Gaois (talk) 00:53, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * wasn't really a proposal, more of an observation. the only Womens's football tournament in ITN/R is the woman's World Cup, the other 10 are all male tournaments. Maybe there could be a proposal to include women sport tournament analog's to ITN/R, but this is probably a discussion for the talk page. 🌈   4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  01:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement for something to be listed at ITN/R before it gets posted as a news item - indeed, the ITN/R listing often stems from the fact that something has gained consensus several times already. It may seem like there are a lot of football tournaments included in the regular listings, but at the end of the day it's the world's most popular sport, and the media have picked up on this, even US outlets such as NY Times. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support no major issues, definitely newsworthy. --IWI (talk) 01:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Major sporting event, and first major trophy for England in 50+ years. However, does need some more information to be added. After that, it'll be ready. echidnaLives (talk) 05:52, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Marked Ready Match summary now added, and other issues above have been dealt with. I have added the image to WP:CMP, will be ready to use when the bot does its job. Black Kite (talk) 09:40, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The bot has protected the image. Black Kite (talk) 09:54, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I have also added the image File:Keira Walsh 20181009 01 cropped.jpg to the protected page, which I think is better than the Manchester City one above as it shows her in her England shirt and is also slightly more recent at 2018 rather than 2017. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Isn't it the most terribly lovely story? Ericoides (talk) 11:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I am amazed it is not already there! JMcC (talk) 14:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Was Posted by User:Smurrayinchester, Stephen 23:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) (Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Bill Russell

 * Strongly support as he is one of the most important players in basketball who also had a great impact with the civil rights movement. Ayyydoc (talk) 17:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Featured article, I'm good with a blurb. Jusdafax (talk) 17:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb One of a handful of athletes that deserves it - a titan of basketball, the first Black head coach in North American pro sports, and a civil rights icon. The Kip (talk) 17:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb I'm a bit surprised that this hasn't been posted yet after half an hour given that we posted Maradona's death in eight minutes. To be frank, Russell in basketball is of the same stature as Maradona in football. Age is irrelevant in this case.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed to this as a blurb (it would be nice to have an FA on the main page), but fairly obviously Maradona was a legend in the biggest sport in the world, played worldwide, whilst I strongly suspect that very few people outside North America have ever heard of Russell. Black Kite (talk) 18:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Basketball’s popular in many countries, including China & much of Europe. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Blurb like I did for Maradona and whatever politician died recently and I do almost every time because "old man dies unremarkable death" is exactly what RD is for. Russell will end up the box, either in a blurb or in RD what difference does it make except that the boiler plate "X dies at Y age" will push Monkeypox out of the box. It's not like he died in a helicopter crash at age 41 come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb This is the state I'd expect an article for a RD BLP that we are going to post as a blurb - besides quality there's an extensive legacy/influence section to explain why he was important and not just claims of WPians. --M asem (t) 18:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * RD Only Unremarkable death... If we only got a generic burb of "Famous person X dies at Y age", its not doing anything that a RD wouldn't, and actually is exactly what RD is for. If there is a blurb it should state what about the death is significant. 🌈   4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  18:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * RD only Agree with comments above. 88 is a good age to go! Turini2 (talk) 19:14, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WRT whether or not Russell deserves a blurb, what he did during his life is more important than how old he was when he died. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * RD only – While a household name to U.S. BKB fans half a century ago, Mr. Russell reached the end of his lifespan and "died peacefully beside his wife." – Sca (talk) 18:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd argue he's better known today than he was in the 60s. Pro basketball is much bigger today, and Russell's legacy has been enhanced by retrospective histories. Zagal e jo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Marking as ready for RD as I don't see any objections there. I'm neutral on whether this should be a blurb for now. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posting RD for the GOAT. Discussion for a blurb can continue. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb. First Black head coach in any North American professional sport and winning 11 championships (among the highest for an individual in a team sport) means he is tops in his field. 331dot (talk) 20:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb, per all above. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:56, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb per Sca. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:27, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb. Not in the Mandela/Thatcher category... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb It's what RD is for. (Plus it's only basketball...) Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb not seeing any likelihood of Death of Bill Russell so nah. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We didn't have "Death of Diego Maradona". (Well, we did for like 9 minutes, but it was a few sentences long and got redirected.) Zagal e jo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose blurb Per the above. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:A9EA:1A01:7E8:768C (talk) 22:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Part of the basketball pantheon; not just news in the US. Zagal e jo (talk) 22:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb - The current ITN consensus of blurbing a recent death seems to be departing away from blurbing figures who were merely exceptionally notable or tops in their field, regarding the last few times we've done this (Maradona) as a mistake. It's unfortunate Bill Russell ends up receiving the short end of the stick in this regard, but that seems to be where we are heading now. 🌈WaltCip - (talk)  22:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb - this isnt just somebody exceptionally notable or tops in his field, though he is that, he was also a civil rights activist. Thats woefully underrepresented in his article, but he isnt just some basketball player. The blurb should also make note of that.  nableezy  - 00:11, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb First Black star in NBA. First Black coach in major American sports league. Transcended sports with visibility on civil rights issues. Awarded Presidential Medal of Freedom.—Bagumba (talk) 01:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb I cannot see any way at all that this is not a perfect example of US-centirism. HiLo48 (talk) 02:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This cant possibly be a valid reason to oppose. Do we seriously need more evidence of the reflexive anti-anything American whatsoever attitude at ITN? Jfc. At least somebody was honest about it.  nableezy  - 04:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you support a blurb for Archie Roach? If you have no idea who he is, I have made my point. Assuming that you don't know, have a look at the RDs for July 30. HiLo48 (talk) 09:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Nableezy is right. There's a way to make your argument without assuming everyone supporting a blurb is hellbent on trumpeting Amerocentrism. There's absolutely no need to go ad hominem, especially since Archie did actually get posted within a day. 🌈WaltCip - (talk)  11:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Famous internationally, honored by three U.S. presidents, a civil rights icon. Opposers' reasoning is unconvincing, and the closer here should take that as a deciding factor, as I see it. Jusdafax (talk) 04:09, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb - I can never understand how someone's old age negates their influence and impact in their respective field. Russell is a groundbreaking NBA player and was a very well known civil rights icon. Article in very good shape at that. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Age Blurb If there's something to be said of how Bill Russell's death is a milestone in black or basketball history, say that instead. His influence hasn't changed from when he was alive at 88, 84 or whatever retirement year. Explain the significance of his death and consider me Supportive. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:24, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * According to this logic, Mikhail Gorbachev shouldn't get a blurb because he left office 30 years ago, nor should Jimmy Carter whose influence ended 20 years ago. I wonder if the first woman in space would merit a blurb because she did it almost 60 years ago.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:08, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A US basketball player doesn't nearly have the notoriety that Gorbachev has. That being said, a blurb of "The first woman in space Valentina Tereshkova dies" is a thousand times better than a blurb that says "Russian Cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova dies at age xx", we have the latter for this guy. 🌈   4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  11:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose blurb. US editors: "American basketball player Bill Russell dies at the age of 88."  Rest of world: "Who?  So ...?".   This is a global encyclopedia, not one for US sports fans.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Tour de France Femmes

 * Added photo - do we have one where she's wearing the maillot jaune? Omnifalcon (talk) 16:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not yet annoyingly! I'll keep an eye out. If it's anything like the Tour de France one below, it will take 48 hours or so to get the article fully ship shape so - hopefully one will appear! Turini2 (talk) 16:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support on principle - we've posted the mens, and so we should post the womens version as well, which  only occured a week later. --M asem  (t) 16:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, I dont see any reason why we should not post this considering we posted the mens Tour de France. 88.230.9.13 (talk) 17:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "Race overview" is very short but has a "see also" for 2022 Tour de France Femmes, Stage 1 to Stage 8 which is very detailed. Problem is, that "sub article" has two refs for each stage summary -- is that whole article sourced from just two accounts of the race? We shouldn't be sweeping referencing issues into WP:SPINOUT articles and pretending they don't exist. We should post this, it's a shining example of systemic bias that we've consistently refused blanket inclusions of women's editions of sporting events already listed at ITN/R. No real problems with the bolded article except that race summary prose is kind of short. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @LaserLegs Will do - there's plenty of sources for the coverage! Turini2 (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - as per Masem. Kiwipete (talk) 10:05, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose until complete, then support - the race summary only covers the first five stages, and the "Classification Leadership" table, as far as I can see, is unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 15:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, and also in future, assuming that the women's race ends whilst the men's race is still on ITN, I would suggest adding the women's winner to the blurb pretty quickly, and then maybe moving the combined blurb up a bullet point. The end of July is typically quiet for ITN anyway. Sceptre (talk) 17:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * If someone could take a look, I think I've made all the relevant edits and updates - just gonna go and get some photos to populate the article. Turini2 (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @LaserLegs @Black Kite All done, edits made and references in place. Turini2 (talk) 21:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 23:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Fidel V. Ramos

 * Extensive sourcing is needed, entire sections are without references. --Tone 14:50, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This cannot be put into RD for now due to lack of necessary sourcing. A lot of CN tags and there's a section that doesn't have any citations. Notable and important figure but citation/sourcing issues hold this back. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:41, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - FVR is bordering on being worthy of a blurb. This is an important one to get up to standards, and soon. 1779Days (talk) 05:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * An absolute mess of sourcing, but if these problems are resolved in time I could see a blurb being an option, if the support is there. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 10:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - I also think he is worthy of a blurb, but the article has several paragraphs without sources; the article should be revamped. Vida0007 (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sourcing deficiencies persist. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Filey

 * At 301 words, this short wikibio is just long enough to not be a stub and to qualify. Footnotes can be found where they are expected. Formatting looks fine. And, Earwig reports no issues at all. This wikibio is READY for RD.  --PFHLai (talk) 22:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support short but its good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:21, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Pat Carroll

 * The Career section has multiple footnote-free paragraphs. The Filmography section is largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The Career section still has a few {cn} tags. The Filmography section is still largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Alvin Yeo

 * Oppose This article needs significant expansion. Early life? MarioJump83 (talk) 01:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * A short article (416 words of prose) with about half of the prose on his legal troubles? This is not balanced coverage. He was a two-term MP, but there is no info on what he did as a candidate or as an MP, apart from the name of the party, the constituency and the start and end years. (Not to mention the lack of footnote in that paragraph!). Please expand on his political career. --PFHLai (talk) 00:58, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Coverage has remained unchanged after three days. --PFHLai (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Archie Roach

 * Support The article is in very good shape. This should be a rapid posting. Will be interesting to see how quickly an Aboriginal Australian can get the attention of those with the power here. HiLo48 (talk) 01:38, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Very comprehensive article, duly updated and well referenced. JennyOz (talk) 01:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support comprehensive and fully referenced Bumbubookworm (talk) 05:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Ron Sider

 * Oppose on quality - a few sections without references and orange tagged. No prejudice against posting after this is resolved. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 08:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Sourcing deficiencies persist. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Kentucky floods

 * Comment The article is currently nominate for deletion. deletion discussion HurricaneEdgar    02:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, article is currently in AfD but there's a clear WP:SNOW consensus for keep. Morgan695 (talk) 02:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — July 2022 United States floods would be a much better candidate for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Wet storms in the US in the summer are norm for the course, this is not significant enough for ITN. --M asem (t) 02:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The only comment I have is that President Biden did declare a disaster area for the Kentucky floods, which is uncommon, so that should be incorporated into the blurb. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Declaring disaster areas after storms like this is the norm, not unusual (it lets him direct FEMA funds). M asem (t) 02:43, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not this number of deaths, I think, though. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support -- at 25+ deaths, this type of thing is unusual enough to warrant posting in ITN. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment severe flooding causing fatalities is not common in Appalachia the way it is along the Mississippi or with flash floods in the plains (or monsoons in SE Asia for that matter). The article isn't detailed enough though. Usual issues: 25 dead where? What water courses impacted? etc. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:00, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, The death toll is a factor for this to come in ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support – Major flood(s), with fatalities expected to rise beyond current reports of 25 in weeks ahead, says Ky. Gov. Breshear. – Sca (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now, support when its not a stub Significant enough, will expand. --Fortune700 (talk) 14:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , just a heads up it was moved to Start Class. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Like Luzon, the significance is a middle-of-the-road. Unlike Luzon, we don't have the quality to overcome it.  GreatCaesarsGhost   15:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Flipping to neutral on recent updates.  GreatCaesarsGhost   14:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It's not clear to me whether or not this should be a standalone article or merged into July 2022 United States floods. Either way, it's not suitable for blurbing in its current state.--🌈WaltCip - (talk)  16:28, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support The Missouri flood would in the normal climate be expected to happen only once in a thousand years. A few days later the Kentucky flood happened and that one too would only be expected to happen once in a thousand years. Count Iblis (talk) 01:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be making the case that this would be rare in a hypothetical world different from our own.  GreatCaesarsGhost   14:34, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but note that the climate is changing quite rapidly now and that's part of the reason why this is news. But you could also argue that what's happening now was already in the news a long time ago, see here, or here, and that the issue is not really climate change but the fact that we choose to ignore the problem. So, perhaps we should focus more on news stories like this. Count Iblis (talk) 17:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong Support. This is greater than a “thousand year flood event”. 25 deaths is a significant number, and is not seen in the US except for once several years. Our criteria for posting United States floods, IIRC, used to be six deaths. A significant climate event with major economic repercussions. 142.127.118.145 (talk) 06:47, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Important Update: has WP:BOLD merged the 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods article into July 2022 United States floods, even after being alerted to this ITN Nomination, numerous links on Portal:Current events and even a request to do a merge proposal instead of a WP:BOLD merge.  Not sure how the ITN Nomination should go about this, but now some procedural things need to happen, like a page history merge and such. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:32, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment – Almost all information from 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods was duplicated from July 2022 United States floods and both were stubs. I felt it highly unnecessary to have both articles running competing information and merged them. The same information is now in July 2022 United States floods, which is a more appropriate article and should be the one that gets the ITN if one is supported here. United States Man (talk) 18:36, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2022 Eastern Kentucky floods was start class, not a stub. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment – Sunday's AP writethru says "several dozen" missing, but the number counted missing sometimes fluctuates after natural disasters. – Sca (talk) 19:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * FEMA said it was at least 37 earlier today. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment – On Monday confirmed death toll put locally at 34. Seems time to post in the box. (The Lexington paper is an old, established RS owned by the McClatchy chain.) – Sca (talk) 17:23, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- can a kind admin please post this? Thanks. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Toll raised to 35, per Lexington paper and AP, which says "hundreds ... remained unaccounted for." – Sca (talk) 19:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! -- Rockstone Send me a message!  20:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Phil Carlson

 * Long enough (500+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, with no obvious formatting issues, and with no problems found by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 01:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 05:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Juris Hartmanis

 * Comment The article needs more citations. There's a tag which has to be solved first. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @MarioJump83: Time for a re-review, please? -- PFHLai (talk) 07:05, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The article is now ready for RD. MarioJump83 (talk) 07:09, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted Stephen 00:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing Removal: COVID-19 pandemic

 * Weak support While there’s some valid arguments to retain it, for most of the world life has returned to normal and COVID is nowhere near the level of concern it once was. As stated by the nom, the lack of major updates besides case count updates and occasional prominent victims bolsters that point. The Kip (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose There are still increasing rates across the globe and still disrupting life and thus making headlines. I will point out that with a topic as big as COVID that it is unreasonable to expect that the main landing page will have frequent updates (the same issue with the Hong Kong and the George Floyd protests), as long as relevant pages within that hierarchy are getting updates too. --M asem  (t) 22:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * its not just on the main page... the article on pandemic responses is basically barren and last month wasn't much better, the timeline is basically just a statistical update (mostly from Malaysia/New Zealand/Taiwan/Singapore) since a lot of countries have stopped reporting data as readily. For the most part the stories about covid aren't making the front page of any newspaper, with covid affecting every day life less and other events taking over. The problem is the sub-pages aren't getting the updates they once were. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am   KING  👑  22:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Masem. I will support it if the pandemic is over. (WP:OTHERCONTENT) HurricaneEdgar    22:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Problem is the pandemic likely won’t be declared formally over for years, even as case counts become minimal and life goes wholly back to normal. As nominative stated, HIV/AIDS is still regarded as a pandemic and we don’t list that as ongoing. Eventually, we hit a point where things are practically at an end, and for COVID we seem to to have reached that. If anything significant occurs, we can re-add/blurb it, but for now it seems unnecessary to retain. The Kip (talk) 02:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure, there will be a point where we just "live" with it, but there are still new strains that are increasing rates of infection around the world, right now. We are definitely not just "living" with it yet. M asem (t) 03:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Masem. It's still a pandemic even though many of us want it to be over. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * so is HIV/AIDS. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  22:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is HIV/AIDS killing 10,000+ people per week worldwide? I don't think it's at the same scale. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * According to the WHO, it most certainly is, and has killed over 40 million since the start of the pandemic in 1981. For comparison covid is currently claiming about 2500 people a day, but even in march 2020 it was double this. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  08:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support like I did last time. COVID-19 is "ongoing" now the same way climate change and HIV/AIDS are ongoing. It's here forever. It's part of life. The lockdowns are mostly over, travel restrictions mostly lifted, multiple vaccines exist. Take it down, and if something monumental happens we can post a blurb. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible support Per LaserLegs. Also how are people still opposing this!!!!???? CR-1-AB (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * See above reason why people opposing on nomination.  HurricaneEdgar    02:16, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A glance through CR-1-AB's contributions seems to indicate that the account is primarily focused on pushing political views rather than contributing to an encyclopedia. WP:SOAPBOX may be a valuable read. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're right. Why is the anti-antifa userbox even a thing? Should probably be deleted. In answer to CR-1-AB, assuming they're not just a troll, people are opposing it because COVID-19 is still here and continuing to disrupt people's lives. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:20, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong support per The Kip and LaserLegs - COVID has little to no impact on everyday life today and precautionary measures, even where they still exist, have become the norm a long time ago. EditMaker Me (talk) 06:50, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe for you, but for many people, it's still the dominant concern on their minds. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you have a prove that COVID-19 has no Impact? In the Philippines COVID-19 cases still rising. HurricaneEdgar    07:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * there is always going to be some regional variance in case count, some country may always be reporting an increase but at the end of the day its just a statistic. 4000 daily cases in a country of 100 million doesn't sound very significant (especially when you consider the country already had 3.7 million cases), and regardless global case counts aren't anything close to what they were at the height of the pandemic. Even that source says that the covid situation in every region of the Philippines is "low risk". 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  08:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support removal as in line with ITN policy. The criteria for ongoing state that posted stories should still be "getting regular updates to the relevant article" and that "the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information. Articles whose most recent update is older than the oldest blurb currently on ITN are usually not being updated frequently enough for ongoing status".  I checked the past month and nothing significant has been added to the COVID-19 pandemic article (a minor addition on 5 July re: discrimination against unvaccinated people was the most significant change, most of the rest are changes to wording or grammar).  The oldest ITN blurb is currently the Sri Lankan protests dated 20 July  - Dumelow (talk) 08:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose as cases are continuing to rise, and thousands are still dying daily. Will only support removal once the WHO no longer declares it a pandemic, or if cases start dropping AND STAY LOW, which is not the case right now in much of the world. This is way too premature, as it's still very much in the news. --  Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Support If it doesnt get removed now, when will actually be removed? Nearly all global lockdowns are over, death rate has become marignal and there are only sporadic outbreaks Haris920 (talk) 09:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - COVID is not over. And on the rise again, it might not be the main topic of conversation anymore, but to say that COVID is not ongoing anymore is simply incorrect. It should remain in the Ongoing section.BabbaQ (talk) 09:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That covid is over is not the argument, there are specific criteria for an article to be listed in ongoing and these go beyond it merely happening. There are many other ongoing events that do not get posted to this section. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  10:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose People are still getting infected and dying. It's still in the news. It's still a global problem. -TenorTwelve (talk) 09:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment per the guidelines In_the_news "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening. In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information." -- opposes above based solely on "it's still happening" without factoring in the actual WP:ITN criteria should be discarded for the purpose of evaluating consensus. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:03, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - At this current point in time, monkeypox is making more news headlines than COVID, by far. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  11:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, It is still ongoing and there is no turning point to be in ITN. Alex-h (talk) 13:04, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose eventually it will have to be removed, but now is not the time. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Very much still ongoing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:18, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) War crimes during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

 * Comment - Nominator has been informed that additional information is required on his talk page for the ITN nomination to be valid/complete, and has been requested to return to the nomination to complete the required fields. Carter00000 (talk) 18:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * A topic best left to the International Criminal Court ... someday? -- Sca (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Seemed like a good faith first time nomination by a new account, so wanted to give the chance to complete the nomination, prior to discussion on if the item should actually be posted. Carter00000 (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Ukrainian lawmakers dismissed the country’s ombudsman for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, in a no-confidence vote on Tuesday ... Ms. Denisova was also accused of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes. When there is an independent and verifiable conclusion that such deliberate crimes against civilians took place, then we can post that thing. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So one politician exaggerated. Does that mean the Bucha massacre or Kremenchuk shopping mall attack weren’t “deliberate crimes against civilians?” Your claim is an absurd one. The Kip (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what happened in Bucha, except that a state already caught red handed exaggerating war crimes claims released some photos and their narrative for the events leading up to those photos. I don't know what happened at Kremenchuk except that a 60 year old designed anti-ship weapon with inertial guidance hit a shopping center. Do we know that the mall was deliberately targeted? No, we do not. What I do know is that the US, UK, Australia and Poland invaded Iraq in 2003 behind some total make-believe and didn't have the economies crippled or face a war crimes court despite 100,000 civilians being killed so if and when an unbiased and independent (aka not NATO) investigator looks into these incidents, concludes they happened and concludes they were intentional we can post until then it's unsubstantiated Ukranian agit-prop and no, we don't need to feature it on the Wikipedia main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Albeit getting dangerously close to WP:NOTAFORUM, even if you disregard BBC, DW, AFP, etc as “NATO propaganda,” I suppose Amnesty International are “propaganda” as well? There is ample evidence to prove events, the only sources combatting them thus far have been arms of the Russian state. The Kip (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support Can see arguments for its inclusion, but also seems encompassed by the existing ongoing event of the invasion. The Kip (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I now see this is an ITN nomination for the prisoner exchange (not an ongoing nom), so changing to oppose. Merely one event in a war. The Kip (talk) 22:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We are not yet in a position for any entity to be able to call what has happened as a war crime - that has to come after the war is over and investigators can do their job. --M asem (t) 22:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and close per above. EditMaker Me (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: 2022 Monkeypox outbreak

 * Wait until the current PHEIC blurb rolls off. Ionmars10 (talk) 06:00, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support because it has accumulated over 21000 cases and it is very notable CoolCat1974382 (talk) 09:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - once it rolls off ITN... its constantly in the news. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  10:09, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not much. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Monkeypox is on the current events portal on a daily basis right now, that should determine the basis of ongoing coverage for something going into ongoing. You can't even say that for Covid which we have listed for ongoing yet at this point hasn't had anything new in the portal for 2 days. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  21:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose ongoing, let it roll off. While this is a notable outbreak and the WHO declaration was right to post as a blurb, it doesn't have anywhere near the ongoing impact of Covid or the Russia-Ukraine war. So far there have been just five deaths, and almost no effect on everyday life (unlike Covid). If we put monkeypox in ongoing it will probably be there for months, as the outbreak isn't coming under control any time soon. I see no reason to give this additional coverage, at least for now. If there's a major expansion of impacts I'll be willing to reconsider. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Ongoing – Agree with Modest. An ugly illness, but impact comparatively minimal. – Sca (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - The current events portal has had nothing but nonstop stories about monkeypox on an international scale. It doesn't matter how this compares to COVID-19 or not; it's in the news, and it's continuously in the news.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  13:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly, this conversation is premature. It could take another two weeks before the item falls of the main section of ITN. Let's consider it then. -- Vaulter  13:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing Per Modest Genius. Thriley (talk) 13:51, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing per Modest Genius. EditMaker Me (talk) 15:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support but for a limited time, like 2 weeks. It may not be as serious or impactful as COVID but there are efforts to try to stop the spread, so a limited time awareness on the Main Page would not hurt. After that, any further mpox stories would need to be a regular ITNC blurb. --M asem (t) 15:39, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing per Modest Genius CoolCat1974382 (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing per Modest Genius. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing per Modest Genius. Carter00000 (talk) 18:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose ongoing While it is obviously worrying, it doesn't warrant ongoing just because WHO has declared it a global health emergency. As far as I recall, the Zika virus epidemic also wasn't posted to ongoing. That said, if it continues to be in the news, it might be warranted to post it to ongoing. Gust Justice (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Modest Genius and adding that the target article hasn't had many significant content edits other than the flag salad because there really isn't much going on here. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Some cases discovered in U.S. -- Sca (talk) 13:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - In the news, but very low impact. CR-1-AB (talk) 18:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. Despite wide extent, there has only been one death. This is not a MINIMUMDEATHS argument, but an acknowledgement that unlike events like Ebola, this epidemic’s impact both on affected individuals and the public at large is absolutely minimal. 142.127.118.145 (talk) 06:49, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: William White (American football)

 * Support, appears to be of sufficient quality for ITN. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:31, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wayne Hawkins

 * Support, a bit short, but still appears to be of sufficient quality for RD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:37, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Terry Neill

 * There are still a handful of {cn} tags in the prose. Sources are also missing for his two goals in the Career Statistics section. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 Commonwealth Games

 * Strong oppose as too soon and therefore factually incorrect. The Games hasn't yet begun, so should not be nominated yet. Also, don't we usually post the opening ceremony article anyway? And "Concerns and controversies" section is unsourced, there are blank sections that just point to other articles (which is not correct way to do sections), so article needs a cleanup, and does not meet article quality standards. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems to me, User:Joseph2302 that this oppose is a bit overfastidious given you posted a few minutes before the gates opened for the opening ceremony, with people already in the stadium! I don't see a big deal about posting a few hours early, given how long these things seem to get posted. Will you now removed your objection? Nfitz (talk) 01:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * This is on ITNR, template adjusted. The article is in pretty good shape, but the orange-level tagged section needs addressing so this is not ready yet. Also we need to wait for it to actually start. Only the original blurb is suitable, not the alts. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 16:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There are still multiple sections with orange-level tags. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I may !vote later but I would say the blurb should say "Birmingham, England" as for the Commonwealth Games, the UK competes as its separate constituent countries.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 21:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support This event only happens once every 4 years and is in ITNR. Haris920 (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Games have started. Nfitz (talk) 01:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Modest Genius.  GreatCaesarsGhost   11:33, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support As the article is in good shape and the games have started and they are on ITNR. Only think I would say that needs changing is the UK changed to England for consistency.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 20:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There appears to be some talkpage debate about UK/England. May need a proper note. Kingsif (talk) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I've dealt with most of the tags. One that has been semi-left is the uncited section on concerns and controversies, which I commented out for an unrelated reason (content fork, discussion open at the talkpage). I couldn't comment on if it should be posted to main page until this is resolved. Kingsif (talk) 20:47, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support We are now into the third day of competition, the article seems to be in good shape. Kiwipete (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support ITNR - article is good enough. Nfitz (talk) 18:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted (with "England" rather than "UK" which I believe is the style preferred, please feel free to change it back to UK if I'm wrong). Black Kite (talk) 20:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it really be "Birmingham, England, United Kingdom"? Since England is a constituent country of the UK? Like we do for the US in ITN, with "Miami, Florida, United States". -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  02:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The United Kingdom is not one team, it is split up into the 4 countries therefore I think that Birmingham,England is a better option Haris920 (talk) 14:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The Tour de France finished on 24 July but we are still having that hook pictured. Is it time to move on? I've had a look and the 2022 Luzon earthquake has no good photos yet. Hence, the 2022 Commonwealth Games is the logical candidate. The photo showing the mascot shown above is ok. Another ok photo is the Queen's Baton Relay photo added to this thread.  Schwede 66  04:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bernard Cribbins

 * Oppose on quality. Several unsourced claims as it stands. No opposition to posting after these are resolved. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 09:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support His famous work "The Hole in the Ground" is a good parable for Wikipedia.
 * ''Don't dig there, dig it elsewhere.
 * ''You're digging it round and it ought to be square.
 * ''The shape of it's wrong, it's much too long,
 * ''And you can't put a hole where a hole don't belong.
 * Andrew🐉(talk) 09:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support I think it’s worth saying somewhere that Bernard was arguably the UK’s Betty White and, were he American, this would be a blurb proposal. Humbledaisy (talk)
 * POV. – Sca (talk) 12:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Valid point though, when that was a pro-US POV posting... <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Please review the article before voting. Significance is assumed for RDs.  GreatCaesarsGhost   11:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Quality is not so bad as made out. Polyamorph (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose unsourced material Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose large swathes of the text in the "Career" section lack obvious sources. -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 13:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I have done all I can to verify all the statements needing citations in the sections tagged. A beloved actor from here in the UK who will be dearly missed by the nation and everyone that watched him. Captain  Galaxy  22:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support to oppose this is just wrong. Great Mercian (talk) 00:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * The remaining issue is TV Filmography. I usually would hit BFI or TV Guide for help here, but they are wanting. Are there any reliable sites specifically for British TV credits?   GreatCaesarsGhost   00:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I was able to piece together the bulk of it. I think we're ready to go now, but is that copyright tag a blocker?  GreatCaesarsGhost   02:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Top read This was the most read article on Wikipedia yesterday. Meanwhile at ITN,
 * ''We was getting nowhere
 * ''And so we had a cuppa tea and
 * ''"Right!" said Fred, "Have to take the feet off
 * ''To get them feet off wouldn't take a mo..."
 * Andrew🐉(talk) 07:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If this was "the most read article on Wikipedia yesterday", then clearly rushing to promote it on ITN isn't needed since it's been found by those who want to read it. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The reason to rush is that, when famous people die, there is a huge spike in readership of their articles due to the news coverage. RD at ITN therefore has no useful function as a gatekeeper.  It should post entries for such people in a timely fashion so that editors who read the main page are getting up-to-date information rather than stale news.  If they are active editors they will then be able to help improve the article while the public is still reading it.  "Strike while the iron is hot". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. The copyvio issue has been sorted, and the article sourced. Black Kite (talk) 11:17, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mick Moloney

 * Support Solid. Grimes2 (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:02, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Larry Josephson

 * Support - one cn but the content can be cut if a source can't be found. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 10:12, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've removed it (more info on the talk page. Should be apt for RD now. <span id="AdrianHObradors:1659437864362:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt">AdrianHObradors (talk) 10:57, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added a {cn} tag for his job description at IBM. The list of his radio shows at the end of the wikipage should also be sourced, particularly those bullet-points not mentioned in the prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. All {cn} tags are now gone. --PFHLai (talk) 21:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Christopher Meyer

 * This wikibio has almost 1600 words and way longer than enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. And Earwig has found no issues. This wikibio is READY for RD to me. One small issue, not bad enough to scuttle this nom, is that the quote at the end of the Broadcasting section needs a better source -- the current footnote links to a non-specific page of BBC's Interview Archive and cannot be used for verification purposes. --PFHLai (talk) 19:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @PFHLai It looks as though a source for the interview has been added. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for adding.  Thanks for letting me know.  -- PFHLai (talk) 20:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @PFHLai I think it looks good to go, I'm not sure if there's a procedure to get it more attention before the July 27 noms roll into the archive tomorrow. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I can send this to MainPage as soon as there are some SUPPORT !votes posted here by uninvolved wikieditors. --PFHLai (talk) 07:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 Luzon earthquake

 * Support - Covered by major int'l news agencies. The Philippines hasn't had a widespread destructive earthquake like this in years. Brings something new to the ITN box since it's been pretty stagnant for a while. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 10:05, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Same reasons with the person above me. Additionally, the death toll just increased to ten after 4 bodies were found under landslide rubble. Moctiwiki (Moctalk to me) 11:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Textbook case of quality overcoming any concerns about so-so significance.  GreatCaesarsGhost   11:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - The blurb should say "strikes Luzon, Philippines" as the epicentre was onshore. Mikenorton (talk) 11:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support. Borderline impact and limited international media coverage, but the article is pretty good. I would avoid listing the number of deaths and injuries in the blurb, as that's likely to change and we don't want a constant flood of update requests at WP:ERRORS. Altblurb added. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – As earthquakes go, this one doesn't seem major. – Sca (talk) 12:51, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I see no problems with the article at all. -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 13:11, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support a very good article about an utterly inconsequential event -- post it. Hard pass on the alt-blurb "widespread destruction" feels WP:PUFFy. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:19, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 09:02, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pull, minor earthquake, isn't Front-page worthy. Abductive  (reasoning) 17:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Abductive This is not a minor earthquake argument. There are some earthquakes that have been posted In ITN e.g (Fukushima, Sumatra),   HurricaneEdgar    11:16, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I think the same as Abductive and Sca. It's not a "major" earthquake, especially considering that the Philippines is a very seismic country. In fact I would consider almost "ordinary" the low number of fatalities it has caused. The fact that other similar earthquakes have been posted is not an argument that this one should be included. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

RD: Mary Alice

 * There is a {cn} tag in the prose for the sentence about the subject's birth & parents. The Filmography and Awards sections need to be sourced. (Some footnotes from the prose can be re-used in the tables.) Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Filmography and Awards sections are still unsourced. --PFHLai (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Baghdad Green Zone & Iraqi parliament storming

 * Comment needs expansion. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, oppose on quality - I think the main article should be 2022 Iraq Parliament attack, but this article needs expansion. The main article in the proposed blurb only has one sentence about the storming event. Once this is fixed, consider this vote a support. EditMaker Me (talk) 06:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality agree with that 2022 Iraq Parliament attack should be the target article, but that article needs expanding. Notable enough event, so if/when article is sufficient article quality, consider this a support. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I'm a bit confused as to what exactly happened here. Reading the articles and sources, it sounds like a protest where they breached the Parliament building. Were there any significant casualties, or serious material damage? Sources mention the protestors were "largely nonviolent" . As I understand it, protests happen a lot in and around the Green Zone , and this isn't even the first time they stormed the building . What makes this event more notable? YD407OTZ (talk) 09:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – In the circumstances, significance seems lacking. The crowd "sang, danced and lay on tables." ZZZzzzz. – Sca (talk) 12:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak suppport - You said it, it needs more work. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Needs more news. -- Sca (talk) 12:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - It's happening again right now; I don't know if that makes it more notable. EditMaker Me (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Parliament occupied again Saturday: BBC, DW, AlJazeera But not sure what this means in terms of significance. – Sca (talk) 13:42, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) 2022 Missouri floods

 * Comment The OP should self-close this until the article is expanded otherwise it's going to die 1000 opposes and the nom never recover. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Missourians have just discovered flooding? Floods occur in every corner of the globe. Just because St. Louis floods is no more important than if a city in another part of the planet floods, even where I live. With only one fatality and no extraordinary and notorious measure, this is far from ITNR-worthy. Suggest snow close. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * One fatality is generally enough to post in ITN. F  Adesdae  378  19:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No it ain't -- unless it's somebody who's a headline name. -- Sca (talk) 19:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * it's not. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment alright when it is more extreme i will re-submit 2022 Missouri floods to this page.<b style="color:#0033ab">Cabin134</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 20:42, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Without getting into the article quality issues, which need to be fixed regardless before this gets posted, this is basicially just a local weather event, without much coverage outside of the affected area. Also the damage doesnt seem to be nearly as severe as other recent flooding events such as the ones in Germany last year.🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  20:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * the damge is still unkown if it gets extreme then i will re-submit it. Cabin134 (talk) 20:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Importantly though it also has to be in the news, when I search on Google News for articles on "floods" in the last week, there's more hits on the floods in southern Iran, Pakistan and Rajasthan than this. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  21:21, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. At the moment I'm not sure this is even notable enough for an article, let alone ITN. Black Kite (talk) 22:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose if we didn't cover a heatwave on a whole continent (Europe), we shouldn't be posting an article for a flood in one state. That article is barely notable, AFD is probably a better venue for it. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We did post the European heatwave, but that killed more than 4,000 people. There is no comparison between that story and this one. Black Kite (talk) 22:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Really? Either way, they can't be compared because this one is a minor event. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 22:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep, the reason I knew was that I removed it when I posted the Tour de France . Black Kite (talk) 22:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If all excess deaths during a week of flooding were automatically presumed water-related the way we blame the heat, the two tolls could be comparable. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * LOL this is what anti-American bias looks like. "I'm outraged because didn't post the weather thing in Europe" - "we did post the weather thing in Europe" - "oh, well, we STILL can't post this because it's not notable". Pure comedy. It took a few seconds to find, but we posted some random floods in India in 2021 with 3 supports in about 9 hours but I guess because America actually enforces building codes and doesn't have scores of deaths it doesn't matter right? FFS. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Did we not just have a talk page discussion about civility and handling of news items? This attitude is not helping at all. M asem (t) 00:38, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Opening with a doom prophecy instead of a Support sure helped ensure a rough road ahead. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh the anti-America hatred and dismissiveness would have come out with or without me. Any minute now someone is going to come by barking about gun violence then an admin will supervote "snow" close. You can call me an ass for saying it out loud, but you can't tell me I'm wrong we all know it's true. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:57, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose "Wet" storms (floods, tornados, hurricanes) are common events in the US at this time of year. Unless we're talking the devastation like that of Hurricane Katrina, limited flooding like this is not really ITN significant. --M asem (t) 00:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) 2022 Gujarat toxic liquor deaths

 * Oppose for now, pending article improvements. Article needs expansion and some rewriting; information in the lead is not expanded on at all in the body, with conflicting numbers (lead mentions 40 deaths, only 11 are mentioned in the body, for example).  Light on details overall.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 16:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's sufficient now. -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 18:22, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality, support on notability. A tad too short/barebones in my opinion. Added ALT2 as well with better wording. The Kip (talk) 16:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Kip, Jayron32, I have updated and expanded further. Venkat TL (talk) 17:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment badly needs a copyedit, doesn't seem to be a very unique event in India List of alcohol poisonings in India --LaserLegs (talk) 18:52, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Marginal, per Laser. Looks like a persistent cultural issue. – Sca (talk) 19:33, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose' accidents from illegal alcohol are standard in India and in the absence of any political rumblings, it is no different from daily vehicle crashes and bombings in a war zone Bumbubookworm (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to oppose, as per previous users it appears this is a more common occurrence than one would think. The Kip (talk) 01:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous editors due to notability.Carter00000 (talk) 05:07, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as unfortunately this seems to be reasonably common, and it isn't even the largest of these alcohol poisonings in recent years. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

(READY) Tunisian constitutional referendum

 * Support - Major political change for the country 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  13:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Voter turnout put at about 30 percent. – Sca (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but not ready . A new constitution is definitely important enough to merit a blurb. The article is generally in good shape, but needs at least a referenced paragraph of prose on the outcome - even the 'reactions' section is all people expressing opinions on holding the referendum, not responding to the results. The blurb is also tricky - the original proposal makes it sound like they've just approved holding the referendum, not the new constitution, while alt1 is too long. I've added alt2. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 13:44, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There are now four sentences of reaction. That's not great, but just about acceptable. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:52, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The article has been substantially improved over recent days. Looks good to me. The only opposes were on article quality grounds, so I'm marking ready. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:44, 2 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality as per Modest Genius. Once article is fixed with more text about the outcome, consider this vote a support. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - The article is good enough to me, although I'd prefer alt2 per Modest Genius. EditMaker Me (talk) 06:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Support for alt2, after proposal. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not Ready Still plenty of non-trivial facts unreferenced.  GreatCaesarsGhost   11:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support- Important event 88.230.0.176 (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note only edit Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support-Important Event CoolCat1974382 (talk) 18:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note only 6 edits Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2022 (UTC)·


 * Support - Passable quality and important change. Yakikaki (talk) 06:58, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Regretfully, this is now older than the oldest item in the ITN box (the Commonwealth games). Tone 15:05, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support good to go. But as Tone states, this is older than the oldest item in ITN. Maybe it can replace the Commonwealths... _-_Alsor (talk) 18:07, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: Visit by Pope Francis to Canada

 * Oppose really? _-_Alsor (talk) 13:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose That’s… not what we usually consider as “ongoing events.” The Kip (talk) 14:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Close - What little consensus there might have been for including this event on ITN was explicitly associated with posting a blurb and not as an ongoing item.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  14:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed): Visit by Pope Francis to Canada

 * Comment — The Pope's visit to Canada is not particularly notable, although the events surrounding it, such as the Pope's apology on the Catholic Church's role in administering many of the residential schools in Canada, is notable. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support adding as ITN, not Ongoing Event. Per ElijahPepe, events related to the visit is notable, involving a significant portion of Canadian history. Carter00000 (talk) 03:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Amended to support for ITN as event is fairly short term to be placed in ongoing events.
 * Support An unprecedented show of compassion, understanding and regret in a centuries-old conflict, article seems in good hands, a known duration. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The Pope visits foreign countries all the time and makes front page news wherever he goes. Did we run his speech to a joint session of the United States Congress? Thriley (talk) 03:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I think the focus of the nomination is not so much on the Pope visiting Canada, but the purpose of the visit, which is to apologise for actions involving the Catholic Church. Carter00000 (talk) 04:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I also doubt that speech was a legit Ongoing event. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:13, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Francis has made major speeches and published papers about the climate crisis and sex abuse in the church. Have any of these been run? Thriley (talk) 04:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They were never even nominated. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In Nongoing news, we posted a meeting between him and his relatively obscure Russian Orthodox "counterpart" in 2016. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * He made a very similar apology in 2018 for the terrible things the church did in Ireland. I don’t think his current visit is much different. Irish Times article comparing the two visits: . Should ITN become the Pope Francis news ticker? If this trip runs, then subsequent trips should run as well. Most papal trips involve a meaningful apology or statement about global affairs. Thriley (talk) 04:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * One story every few years is not a ticker and this is way bigger than the man himself. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We already opted not to include the apology that was made a few months ago, this is just an extension of that. In_the_news/Candidates/April_2022. Unless there is actual change or resources like billions of dollars, this is just the usual expectations of diplomacy. --M asem (t) 04:54, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Most opposes were based on a lack of action. Touring Canada is an action. I doubt you'll see how it's significant still, but others may have changed. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:03, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose ongoing but support a normal ITN mention "Pope francis visits Canada and apologises for ___". EditMaker Me (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support ITN, oppose ongoing This is a significant event with historical ramifications both for Indigenous Peoples, the Roman Catholic Church, and the Papacy of Pope Francis. Ongoing is supposed to be things that are in the news long-term and develop continually, such as Covid or Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
 * Oppose ongoing, support ITN only if the focus is on the apology per . Polyamorph (talk) 07:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, I'm alright with the article run on ITN, but if we focus on the apology then it would benefit readers if the page described the varied reactions to it. I haven't gotten to that yet as I've just been making daily updates, though anyone is welcome to start on a new section or paragraph. Yee no   (talk) 08:43, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You are going to have to make the changes in the article first before nominating an appropriate blurb for ITN. Even then there is not currently consensus for posting at all. Polyamorph (talk) 11:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose both blurb and ongoing. This is less notable than the apology itself, which wasn't posted months ago. Blurb would in theory be better than ongoing anyway, but this isn't blurb-worthy, as it a small part of a wider event, and we didn't post the most significant thing he did, which was apologise in the first place. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support ITN Because of the apology. Grimes2 (talk) 09:15, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb, of which I've added two above as a starting point. - Floydian τ ¢ 12:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose both. I just don't think this is important enough. Repeating the existing apology is a footnote to the previous story we decided wasn't important enough to blurb back in April. Otherwise the Pope seems to have done nothing significant on this visit. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:28, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose both – Long planned/expected, this visit by the pope to retroactively apologize for historical events lacks general significance or impact beyond a discrete group of Canadians. (The main item of general interest would seem to be photos of Francis wearing an 'Indigenous' headdress.) – Sca (talk) 13:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb – To me this feels like the type of article ITN is perfectly suited for, and I appreciate the daily updating (keep it up!). The importance of this specific moment is relatively low compared to other ITNs, but if we haven't covered the apology at all yet, this would be the perfect moment to do so. It is certainly of general interest. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 13:05, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose both this is not at all more remarkable than the Pope's forgiveness for the sexual abuse of minors by the Church and the actions he is taking in that direction. It is notable no doubt for Canda, but it is of little relevance internationally and therefore by ITNR. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:48, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb, oppose ongoing This is a current event reliable news sources are covering appropriately; and the article is of sufficient quality for the main page. -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 14:35, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose both per Modest Genius DarkSide830 (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose both The church has already apologized for this, a prior pope issued an "expression of sorrow" and this pope has apologized for other atrocities. There is a spirit of incrementalism that suggests we could do this again and again. What happened here doesn't change anything substantial, nor does it reflect a change in the position of the papacy or the church at large.  GreatCaesarsGhost   16:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Sushovan Banerjee

 * Oppose - Stub, also there is nothing about him being an MP, except it says it was in 1984 (when did it end) - Also WP says elections were held in West Bengal in 1982 and 1987 so maybe some source is wrong Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I grossly misjudged my ability to get some time from my off-wiki / real-life commitments to get some edits into this article. Unfortunately, will not be able to work on this one. RIP. Ktin (talk) 04:32, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

(Posted RD) RD: James Lovelock

 * Oppose needs a few more sources. Pretty decent article apart from that, so would be a shame if the few minor sourcing issues cannot be fixed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps some have now been fixed by others. I tagged a few sentences for which I could not find the source. But as there are only a few as far as I noticed I don't think that is enough to prevent a blurb. Suggest any sentences which remain unsourced can just be deleted if necessary. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, very good article. Polyamorph (talk) 14:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb - groundbreaking scientist for proposing the Gaia hypothesis. Interstellarity (talk) 15:17, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb - career spanning more than seven decades. The kind of scientist you would expect to be blurbed. Worldwide coverage. Kirill C1 (talk) 15:32, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Still controversial and interesting Chidgk1 (talk) 15:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb, RD only I do not believe that "death blurbs" are to be given out as some sort of lifetime achievement award. They should only be for when the death is the story, because of the outpouring of grief in society or if the nature of the death itself is newsworthy. This is the death of a 103 year old man, with a remarkable career no doubt, which is what RD is for. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:02, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The death blurb are given either when the death is the story or when there is remarkable career, like when we blurbed Sydney Poitier, Betty White, Kumar and others. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Most people who have Wikipedia biographies have had a "remarkable career". I didn't agree to those blurbs and I don't agree to this one either. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not most. They just have significant coverage on them, there aplenty of footballers who played in lower leagues or actors who had minor roles. Or celebrities, about whom we can not say that they did smth remarkable. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Major figures being blurbed should be an ultra rare exception, and not normalised in any way. WP:ITNRD specifically states that if a person is more famous for what they did when alive, it belongs in an RD link and not a blurb. If we blurb someone it should be because the manner in which they died is notable and deserves further clarification. But if an "exceptional career" were the bar for a blurb then ITN would just be an obituary wall. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  03:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment cn tags dealt with, now ready, can be posted as RD while discussion continues. Black Kite (talk) 18:05, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD, oppose blurb. The article looks in decent enough shape. He certainly had a long and wide-ranging career, but his scientific impact doesn't meet the 'transformative' criterion for me. The Gaia hypothesis is philosophical and has as many attackers as defenders. Certainly well known with the public for his books and environmental campaigning, but I don't think that's blurb-worthy. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 18:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "Certainly well known with the public for his books and environmental campaigning, but I don't think that's blurb-worthy." Then which scientist desrves blurb? Kirill C1 (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * RD Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Please feel free to continue with the discussion on blurbing, if appropriate. --PFHLai (talk) 01:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tony Dow

 * Still alive. Not in good shape, but looks like his representatives jumped the gun for now. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:28, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Passing now confirmed: Nohomersryan (talk) 19:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Satisfactory.  GreatCaesarsGhost   00:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Chin Kung

 * Maintenance and referencing completed Bumbubookworm (talk) 15:32, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Article in good enough shape for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 00:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Trimble

 * Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. All unsourced and citation needed tags addressed (at the time of writing). —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Everything looks good, I think it's ready. Regards So  Why  08:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:16, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paul Sorvino

 * Weak support Filmography section still needs work, but shouldn't keep this from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's much better now. I couldn't find refs for a couple of them, but two or three missing sources should not hold this up from being posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I found the last one. Should be GTG now.  GreatCaesarsGhost   21:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't believe a major actor's filmography actually got fully sourced in a timely fashion for RD. That happens not very often at all. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  23:40, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Referencing issues resolved. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:04, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Bhisadej Rajani

 * Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Too many footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

​(Posted 1 RD) Myanmar's military junta executes four people

 * Oppose per notability. Seems only to be of regional notability, and only one minor event in a much larger event. Carter00000 (talk) 06:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - I went to the CNN and BBC articles that are linked and they are at the top page. While authoritarian regimes still murder dissidents, it is unusual to bother with a show trial. Normally they just fake a traffic accident, poisoning etc and pretend to not be involved. The first listed person was also an MP Bumbubookworm (talk) 07:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Disagreed. Sham trials happen often and are not usually covered at ITN. EditMaker Me (talk) 09:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sham trials occur all the time. I don't recall too many where they actually execute political dissidents recently, usually it is an imprisonment. Murders that are falsely presented as accidents are common, but here they are 'proudly' self-identifying it as a state-sanctioned murder to try and intimidate the population Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Significant for showing the degression in human rights since the 2021 coup. Gotitbro (talk) 08:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per notability. Article for Zayar Thaw is not updated as well. EditMaker Me (talk) 08:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support First time capital punishment is executed since 1988 is defitnetly notable, defitnetly in terms of degragation of human rights in the country following the coup.🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  09:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment According to the AP, the last time Myanmar performed an execution was in 1976 (another political prisoner of a military dictator), with death row prisoners having their sentences commuted in 2014. rawmustard (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * BBC says 1988, but those might be related to the 8888 Uprising 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  11:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - The executed could be placed in RD though. Detective Me (talk) 12:12, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Pro RD. Grimes2 (talk) 12:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Death penalty applies to 55 countries. But Myanmar is special: Its against the Democracy and human rights movement. Grimes2 (talk) 10:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Updates to the articles are insufficient to be considered for a blurb. Zayar Thaw is not ready for RD; needs something on post-2015.  GreatCaesarsGhost   12:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support – per Bumbubookworm. Political opponents hanged after a closed-door legal proceeding. Widely & prominently covered, connoting significant notoriety for the military dictatorship. AP, Guardian, Reuters, BBC. – Sca (talk) 13:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Question/oppose: is the nomination specifically for the deaths of the two named individuals, or for the resumption of capital punishment in Burma for the first time in decades? If the former, the biographies don't make them sound significant enough to merit a blurb, though perhaps they're incomplete at present. If the latter, capital punishment in Myanmar should be the bold link - but it's a stub that requires major work. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:34, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose If the two named individuals are the target articles of this blurb, then Kyaw Min Yu's article needs expansion and Zayar Thaw's article needs some ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb as per . If the notability/ITN-worthiness is for the resumption of capital punishment in Burma (which is what a number of people voting support here look to have been voting for), then Capital punishment in Myanmar is the appropriate target, and so this fails article quality. If it's the deaths of these two people specifically, then those articles need to be improved, and I'm not convinced they're notable enough people to be blurbed anyway (so they should just be put onto RD). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:56, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - these executions are unusual enough to merit inclusion. Sheila1988 (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, As a sign of human rights violation. Alex-h (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the combination of the political salience, including a former MP, and the fact these are the first executions conducted in Burma in decades, make this a particularly unusual and thus notable event. The ramifications are serious and far ranging; we can reasonably expect the junta's isolation to deepen, the growing armed resistance to be galvanized, and the safety of higher profile detainees like ASSK to come into question. --Varavour (talk) 18:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And which of these poor quality articles are you supporting posting? <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose I don't think this is notable enough to be blurbed. The fact that these are the first executions since 1976 doesn't really change anything for me. YD407OTZ (talk) 20:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — This is part of a much larger event and, unless the situation escalates further to a much more notable event, oppose. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:45, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support This is a high-profile human rights case. Also we do post the deaths of government MPs due to assassination. Why should “legal” execution by the country’s military junta get treated any differently? 142.127.118.145 (talk) 07:49, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support.* This is the first time this happens in decades and receives some notability, however like the others said, the articles aren't that well written and need polishing. Other than that I support this. Twistedaxe (talk) 08:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * - clear escalation and turning point. The event needs an article ideally in itself. Hla Myo Aung and Aung Thura Zaw, the other 2 people executed need articles too and adding to blurb. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:50, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't post the same thing on RD and blurbs. And disagree that the other two people "need articles too", unless they pass WP:GNG (and not just for being executed). Also, the blurb for this should link to the article about executions, but that article is junk. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry I don't think I've worded myself well enough. I would support Support blurb on notability but oppose on quality and due to lack of target article. If we blurb, then all 4 people need to mentioned, because the event would pass notability per consensus. If blurb fails, then support 2x RDs for the two people who are notable enough for the two articles, i.e. conditional 2x RD support. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:47, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment – Int'l condemnations continue to be covered Tuesday.  – Sca (talk) 13:24, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per above --Andrei (talk) 19:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment as a blurb is not forthcoming, can we add Kyaw Min Yu to RD instead, as that article has no issues? Zayar Thaw is orange-tagged, so not currently RD eligible. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:00, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Doesn't seem we'll see a blurb on this, so the executed should be added to RD if their articles are good enough. EditMaker Me (talk) 08:41, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fine to post as RDs as and when the articles are up to scratch. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:20, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thus endeth the discussion. – Sca (talk) 12:20, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Kyaw Min Yu on RD.--PFHLai (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Zayar Thaw lacks footnotes in the Early life section. And there's a {cn} tag near the end of the wikibio. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 Tour de France

 * Oppose on quality article has no race summary, some of the text from 2022 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 and 2022 Tour de France, Stage 12 to Stage 21 should be added to 2022 Tour de France to fix this. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:01, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And ALT0 is our standard blurb format for sports. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Joseph2302 Already working on it :) Turini2 (talk) 08:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! A decent first draft Turini2 (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And now subsequently hugely expanded thanks to @Raleigh80Z90Faema69 @Lugnuts @YD407OTZ and @Kiwipete. Hopefully good enough for ITN now! :D Turini2 (talk) 10:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The text in the summary looks good, but some of it doesn't have sources listed. I would suggest a minimum of one source per paragraph, even if it means repeating sources. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 11:32, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support looks fine now. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Not ready. The text in race summary is fine, but it's largely unreferenced. I would like to see at least one citation per stage to support the summary given (it's fine to repeat references). If/when that's fixed, we should go with the original blurb above, as his nationality doesn't seem particularly relevant or surprising. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:58, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Modest Genius done! Turini2 (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick fix. I now support posting. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 13:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Nice article, huge sports event. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Notable event and article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, Article is good for a notable event. Alex-h (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Just done a quick read-through and copy-edit. All good to go.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:28, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Black Kite (talk) 19:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Len Oliver (soccer)

 * Long enough with 600+ words of prose. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. No formatting problems. Earwig found no troubles. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, per PFHLai. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:15, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I did a quick search and he also served in some soccer administration posts, started some businesses, which are not covered. He also participated in/missed some Olympic qualifying campaigns, which should be outlined because international level competition is higher than domestic competition Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The depth of coverage for this article is sufficient, as all major points of his life are covered. What you are asking for is a resume in prose format, which is actually a reason to oppose an RD nom. , : I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment you've marked this as needing attention, but there's an unaddressed Oppose above. If there are important details missing then they should be added before posting. Otherwise, if you disagree with the above assessment by  then please reply to the Comment stating why, so that an admin and others can properly assess it. Cheers  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 06:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think the oppose has some merit since I don't think the article adequately covers Oliver's non-soccer life. After his playing career, he had his own Public policy consulting firm, was involved in promoting study circles in the U.S. (and wrote a book about it Study Circles: Coming Together for Personal Growth and Social Change) One possible source: There is also other info about his international career beyond "resume" information in an interview in which he talks about his international career being derailed by injuries and health issues . I think it merits mentioning in the article, and can be done in away that it's not a resume in prose format.  Spencer T• C 03:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted Issues appear to have been suitably addressed. Black Kite (talk) 08:24, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tim Giago

 * Support. A highly influential Indigenous newspaper publisher. Article looks all right. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: David Warner

 * Too many footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:04, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Diana Kennedy

 * Posted. No-one has commented here, but the article appears to be fully sourced. Black Kite (talk) 11:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. It's ready. Just one {cn} tag about her step-daughters. No biggie. --PFHLai (talk) 11:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

[ATTENTION NEEDED] All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final

 * Weak support. The article reaches our minimum requirements and this is on ITNR. But there's something very underwhelming about the prose, the background section is yellow-level tagged etc. Could definitely be improved, though is just about postable now. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. ITNR is a higher standard, not a lower one. There is more time and sources to draw on for these highly significant events.  GreatCaesarsGhost   12:55, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality as the prose is short (the match summary is one paragraph), and the background section is basically non-existent. Instead, the biggest section of text is a massive post-match quote farm. This is not sufficient article quality for the front page. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:59, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support, Article needs work. Alex-h (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Multiple sourcing tags outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 08:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Citations have been added and tags removed. I'm not available to vet them out right now.—Bagumba (talk) 13:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong support, This article has been updated and improved substantially to a level suitable to reach requirements for ITN. All sections, including the match summary and the background sections have been extended, with many reliable sources added. It is hard to comprehend that last year's page with less sources and detail, as well as a shorter background and match summary sections, was featured on ITN, but this year's article, which features traditional sections like the 2019, 2018 or 2017 finals, is not. Edl-irishboy (talk) 13:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * SupportITN/R and quality is there now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:45, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) 2022 FIBA Asia Cup finals

 * Oppose - Standard issue with sports tournaments articles, tables upon tables upon tables with little to no prose. Also worth noting this is a regional tournament and not the world cup, thus not in ITN/R. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  18:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose regional sports championship is not ITN worthy. Also article has a distinct lack of prose about the event (as seems to be the problem with many sports articles). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:50, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to a lack of prose or anything that isn't tables or stats. I disagree with the idea that this shouldn't be posted at all because it's a regional sports championship, however, as the NBA finals have been posted here before. Captain  Galaxy  21:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The NBA is the biggest basketball tournament in the world. This is a regional tournament between countries that aren't highly rated at the aport. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 22:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose not a strong enough tournament. Australia was the only team in the top 20 in the world, and I clicked on the list of players, and only one of them was in the NBA, the rest were in the local Aus league which pays v little and is of v low quality. All the Aus players from bronze medal Olympic team of last year, most of whom were long-time NBA players, decided to skip the tournament so Australia were represented by second and maybe third stringers Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:18, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The what? Is basketball even a notable sport in Asia? Though perhaps it could be a "Did you know that 2022 FIBA Asia Cup final was contested by two countries that arguably aren't in Asia?" ☺ Nfitz (talk) 22:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Lebanon is undeniably in Asia. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,#ff8c00,#fc0,green,blue,#9400d3,#ff1493);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am  KING  👑  22:41, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume it was a reference to Australia and New Zealand. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 22:49, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's clearly time to worry about what Australia's doing in the Eurovision Song Contest. HiLo48 (talk) 22:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Bob Rafelson

 * Please add more REFs. The Filmography section needs to be sourced. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 23:55, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Filmography is now sourced. Thriley (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sourcing the Filmography. There are also a handful of {cn} tags in the prose, and a {better source needed} for a iMDb ref. --PFHLai (talk) 07:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Monkeypox declared Public Health Emergency of International Concern

 * Support See also US confirms first two cases in children. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support and I prfer the second blurb EditMaker Me (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Pretty sure that in the past monkeypox nominations that this was said to be the point we would post it, so assuming that is what is decided it seems fair to post, pending article updates. --M asem (t) 13:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - I would argue it should replace covid in ongoing, given how much more coverage this is getting over that, but thats a different discussion. It's definitely time. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(maroon,red,darkorange,#fC0,green,blue,darkviolet,deeppink);border-radius:1em;color:#fff">  4 🧚‍♂ am KING  👑  13:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Monkeypox has been declared Public Health Emergency of International Concern. Amended title to reflect this. Carter00000 (talk) 14:26, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you :)! Sean Heron (talk) 16:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Very widely covered. – Sca (talk) 15:06, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I opposed this previously - but this is what I said should be the trigger. I don't see that it should be ongoing though - the death toll is zero in most countries, and only a handful world-wide. The daily Covid death toll is still staggering, the impacts are felt by almost everyone most days, and the news is still full of coverage. Nfitz (talk) 15:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support WHO declared PHEIC. Emergency committee didn't reach consensus, so Director-General Tedros made the final determination to issue highest WHO alert. AkiraRorschach (talk) 15:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Given that the outbreak has been declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern by the WHO. Carter00000 (talk) 15:29, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support and bolded target article in both blurbs. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:41, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support According to New York Times, Monkeypox has been declared a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.  HurricaneEdgar    15:57, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb – Per Nfitz, others. – Sca (talk) 16:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support PHEICs are rare enough that it certainly warrants attention. Juxlos (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - Thank you Muboshgu, and nice that there were no hickups here this time :P. ! Sean Heron (talk) 16:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maria Petri

 * The article is too heavy on "she was born" and "she died" and not on why she was unusual enough to deserve attention.   GreatCaesarsGhost   19:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The introduction mentions that she was "recognised ... for her unique chants", but the article lacks info on these chants of hers. Any examples? --PFHLai (talk) 01:25, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added her famous one, the rest are rather long but I have added what I can find sourced.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 05:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding that. This wikibio is still a tad short (less than 400 words of prose), but it's long enough to qualify. It has footnotes where they are expected and has no formatting problems. And, Earwig found no problems. This is READY for RD to me. Some mention of the black armbands worn by the players in her memory in last night's game would be nice, methinks. I was looking for an RS for this, but haven't found one written in past tense yet. Maybe later. --PFHLai (talk) 14:32, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 00:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) UK Conservative Leadership election

 * Oppose wait till succession happens. Banedon (talk) 07:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Banedon. No successor has been voted in yet. Carter00000 (talk) 08:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and close we are not a news ticker, wait until one of them is elected as new PM. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose wait for the new PM to assume.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:45, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per both of the above. The point of ITN significance is not even when the winner of the contest is announced, it's when they take over as prime minister (unless Boris chooses not to resign as PM, but if that happens that will be the story to evaluate for ITN). Thryduulf (talk) 08:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Stefan Soltész

 * Support Referencing and length looks okay. Juxlos (talk) 02:45, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dwight Smith

 * Support referencing is good. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 15:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support article doesn’t seem to have major issues. Juxlos (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Núria Feliu

 * Support Looks good. The "TV3" link is to a disambiguation page, so that should be fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks! _-_Alsor (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Joe Biden

 * Oppose You're new here, so I hope that everyone who comments here will be nice. Having COVID when you are double-vaxxed and double-boosted, like Biden is, makes the virus no worse than a cold. He'll be fine. This is a non-story for ITN purposes. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:19, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not gonna lie, that certainly wasn't my experience with covid, and I got it after I got my second booster. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 23:36, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nothing is 100%. Glad you're doing better. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:42, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * For a fully vaccinated and double-boosted president of the United States getting COVID-19 is unusual, which is why I nominated this. F  Adesdae  378  23:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No more unusual than any other random person in society catching covid.🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 23:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose A person catching covid isn't news-worthy for ITN purposes. doesn't matter if that person is god himself. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 23:37, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fairly sure if God caught covid it will be ITN, since if nothing else that proves God exists beyond a reasonable doubt. That and also solve the good old philosophical problem. Juxlos (talk) 05:16, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Unlike when Trump and Boris Johnson got it in the earlier stages of the pandemic, it doesn't seem to be affecting his ability to carry out his duties. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and snow close and...? _-_Alsor (talk) 23:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose we'd have more COVID-19 positives on ITN if that would be news-worthy.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:03, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Lynch

 * Long enough to qualify (almost 400 words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots and no formatting problems, and Earwig found nothing wrong, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 00:42, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Johnny Egan

 * Support Looks good enough. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 00:39, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Chinese paddlefish

 * Oppose The article says it was officially declared extinct in 2019. Thryduulf (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That wasn't quite official. The 2019 Chinese paper only recommended that the IUCN list the fish as extinct, and did not have the power to actually do so — the IUCN has the final word on that. And though the IUCN agreed to list it extinct, the actual listing wasn't done until now. Zach Varmitech (talk) 23:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Significant development in wildlife conservation. Media/press reports are current and indicate that the official status was only just changed. Article appears to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as this is excellent ITN material of high encyclopedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality The description section needs ref work before posting. Once this is fixed, I would fully support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the description section. Every sentence is now cited. Hemiauchenia (talk) 18:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose thousands of species go extinct every year, it's not clear to me why this extinction is anything extraordinary, and therefore ITN worthy. Also, article quality is an issue too: the article has lots of content about the 2022 extinction in the lead that isn't in the main body of the article (and thus seems to violate MOS:LEAD), and has an orange tagged section. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A possible notability argument could be the flagship species case, however, it does not seem from the article that any conservation efforts were taken specifically for this species. In general, I'd support mentioning of extinct species as long as the article is in a good shape. Tone 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Chinese paddlefish was one of only two species of paddlefish in the entire world, with the fossil record of paddlefish stretching back over 120 million years into the Early Cretaceous. It had also probably been divergent from the American paddlefish, from which is strongly distinct in morphology and diet, for many tens of millions of years. It's not just some random lake chicilid with hundreds of other species like it, but almost one of a kind. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support It's not just this species. The full announcement says "The global sturgeon reassessment published today reveals that 100% of the world’s remaining 26 sturgeon species are now at risk of extinction, up from 85% in 2009. The assessments are based on refined calculations which show their decline over the past three generations to be steeper than previously thought. The Yangtze Sturgeon (Acipenser dabryanus) has moved from Critically Endangered to Extinct in the Wild, 17 species are now Critically Endangered, three are Endangered and five are Vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. The reassessment has also confirmed the extinction of the Chinese Paddlefish (Psephurus gladius)." Andrew🐉(talk) 11:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per notability requirements per Joseph2302. Carter00000 (talk) 12:20, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Meh, per Joseph. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support One of the largest freshwater fish in the world? And morphologically unique? This is an extinction of huge value and should definitely be reported. -- Maykii (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just saying, if encyclopedias had news sections, this item would be one of the items you'd expect to see there, and not like you know, races on rivers and asphalt. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. Major species and amongst the largest freshwater fish species in the world. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support. I'm cognizant that many species are declared extinct each year, and we can't feature all of them. This does seem an unusually significant species and the article is pretty good, plus there's a clear explanation of why it went extinct (overfishing and dam construction). Just about crosses the bar for me. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 17:53, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, this is a significant event in natural history. BD2412  T 17:56, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posting, the general consensus is there and some opposes were based on the article quality - since fixed. --Tone 19:04, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't see how there was consensus to post this, but alright. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  01:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Post-posting support thanks to for replying to me and expanding the article to make clear why this is such a rare and important occurance. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Uwe Seeler

 * I think I added all the sources needed now. Regards So  Why  15:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support and marked ready. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Needs attention): India's new President: Draupadi Murmu

 * Not ready. Firstly, we need to get 2022 Indian presidential election into the blurb (altblurb added). Secondly, both that article and Murmu's have orange-level tags on them, which disqualifies them from posting. Those articles need some substantial work before we can consider posting. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:32, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Linked. Thanks Venkat TL (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The election article quality has actually got worse since yesterday - all the prose has been removed, leaving just tables. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality as both article on her and the election are orange-tagged. ALT1 follows the standard pattern for election articles, so should be the one we use if the articles are fixed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, oppose on quality — Once the Murmu and presidential election articles are in a better shape, support. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 17:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality Both target articles are orange-tagged. The Kip (talk) 17:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose "Ceremonial head of state". Gotitbro (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * lol. This state you are talking about is India. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 00:57, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And? Real power in India does not lie with the President. It is a ceremonial position. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  01:06, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Gotitbro. Real power in India lies in the Prime Minister. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  19:54, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support on principle, but oppose on quality. The ceremonial head of state argument is a weak one, as many heads of state are ceremonial yet enormously symbolic. We also have precedent for posting the ceremonial president of Ireland, a much less globally significant country than India. AryKun (talk) 07:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'm going to say it: that precedent should be overturned. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:27, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Make that argument the next time a white man is nominated, because there was not one oppose vote for Higgins due to significance (there are three here). We must be pragmatic about how our collective choices reflect the voice of WP.  GreatCaesarsGhost   15:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment If we are to blurb her, we should probably mention she is the first tribal member elected President. -TenorTwelve (talk) 08:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose mainly on quality (there are unsourced statements like "Murmu, was criticized for her soft stand on police aggression against tribals during the movement." in her article, let alone bad English and grammar), but (b) I'm unconvinced that a ceremonial head of state that was only elected via an indirect election should be ITN. Black Kite (talk) 08:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That statement you mention is actually sourced from the ref at the end of its paragraph. Also, I think we sometimes forget just how massive India is that one can become even slightly unconvinced of the significance of the first tribal woman President of India. This 'indirect election' involved more voters than scores of countries could even have. Droupadi Murmu's position as President is likely 10x more significant than the queen of england. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * When you've got a whole paragraph sourced to a single source it needs to be made clearer on contentious material that this is the case, especially if it's "X accused Y of .." type stuff. Regardless, the whole article needs work (as does the election one). Black Kite (talk) 11:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The population of India does not automatically increase the notability of otherwise non-notable events. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment (2 days later) Neither article passes quality checks still, the election one is particularly bad. Black Kite (talk) 20:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality The target article (2022 Indian presidential election) needs a lot of work done before it can be ITN ready. Once, fixed I would support and maybe mentioning Murmu being India's first tribal politician president might be worth mentioning IMO. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose powerless figurehead, the Prime Minister of India wields actual authority and there is no evidence that this appointment is anything other than routine - it is not noteworthy in any way. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * even for mostly ceremonial heads of states, we do have precedent for posting if they're significant or firsts (eg Ethiopia's first female President). Murmu is India's first tribal President, something which is mentioned by almost all the news reports about her. AryKun (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Past mistakes that don't bear repeating --LaserLegs (talk) 00:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm not against posting it as long as we specify that this is a first. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  01:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – The AP article notes that in India the presidency is a "largely ceremonial" position. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support once improved, per AryKun. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support much more notable than a lot of dead actors, 2-bit looters and sports events that have been posted recently Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * How so? Specifically, why is this notable? --LaserLegs (talk) 00:28, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The subject has been the top-read article on Wikipedia for the last two days. With multiple spellings.  She's not just notable, she is famous. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:21, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking through WP:ITN I don't see page views as a criteria and I believe that in the past it's been indicated ITN is not a top 25 --LaserLegs (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * India has had a lot of caste issues for a very long time, and this is the first tribal person to hold the top post, even if it is a ceremonial one. Bumbubookworm (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So you're saying India is a racist society and the notability here comes purely from the appointment to a powerless ceremonial post of someone from an historically maligned demographic? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:58, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "India has" vs "India is" are wildly different statements. The appointment of a tribal person has/had sparked lots and i mean lots of discussion of e.g. whether an Adivasi president as representation is actually effective or not, which I can only assume you are completely ignorant of given your flat dismissal of Droupadi Murmu's significance. –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support: certainly notable especially given origin. Most viewed article for a reason. Tow (talk) 15:34, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2022 Indian presidential election has two orange tags complaining about the lack of sources. Please add more REFs. The yellow {copyedit} tag at the top of the article should also be resolved before this nom can proceed. --PFHLai (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Per Past Precedence We have posted Indian_presidential_election,_2012 and Indian presidential election, 2017 in the past. So I think we are wasting time discussing the points listed above again. Regards,  theTigerKing  07:30, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Are the articles ready? The nom says "article is updated." But is it? Which article? Howard the Duck (talk) 15:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Namesake position without any power. Power solely vests in PM of India. Numancia (talk) 05:46, 26 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support: While the president of India indeed is a ceremonial head of state, any change in, say, the monarch of England would be generally accepted as notable enough for the ITN section. Is the monarch of the UK not a ceremonial head of state? Also, this news was shown on the french wikipedia, so i think we should accept it. however, as many have said that the quality of articles is bad, therefore we should reconsider this. Narutmaru (talk) 09:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support : She is first tribal and 2nd woman president of India. She is from Santal community which is spread among India, Nepal and Bangladesh. Many tribal organisations in Bangladesh celebrated her win as the President of India. India isa well significant and of strategic significant country in the world while having the 2nd most no of people after China. The Indian community is spread around the world is significant importance even though the position is ceremonial. How many countries have actually nominated tribal people people as head of states? I think it would also help to spread the message about woman empowerment among the underprivileged people.   Debjyoti Gorai   (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the election article is still a mess, with numerous missing citations and an orange-level tag, so cannot be posted - regardless of how important the story is. It's been seven days yet the article still needs serious work. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Droupadi Murmu is not orange-tagged anymore, so seems fine to run as the bolded link on ITN, as it's better quality than the election article. Marked this as needing attention, so admin can either post this or reject this nomination. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Zakho resort attack

 * Oppose - Per notability requirements and article quality. Carter00000 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle - Needs destubbing though.🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 13:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Not widely covered in English RS-land Thurs. – Sca (talk) 14:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Doesn’t seem to meet notability standards. One attack as part of the greater ongoing conflict(s) in Syria and Iraq. The Kip (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — Doesn't seem notable, even barring issues that I have with the article itself and the blurb. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Mario Draghi

 * Comment - I feel like the time to post this would have been when he announced his resignation. That said, no opposition to posting this now.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  12:10, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be on his announcement, turning over his intent to resign to the President. He's being asked to stay in that position as caretaken until the next PM is named. M asem (t) 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So probably, similar to the Boris situation, it should be announces his intention to resign or similar. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:20, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * he did resign, the president then asked him to take over in a caretaker role. Boris isn't leading a caretaker government (since there hasn't been a vote of no confidence against his government) so thats the difference. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 12:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait – Until Italy gets a new prime minister. (There have been 70 Italian PMs since WWII). – Sca (talk) 12:34, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait per Sca. Our standard practice is to post the change, not the resignation, so let's wait until the name of the new prime minister is known (the case of Boris Johnson is an unfortunate exception and should not be considered a rule).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, unfortunately generating a lot of ephemeral copy. -- Sca (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * These "exceptions" seem to always favor Anglo-centrism (notice we posted May and Cameron, too). The rationale for posting UK and not posting others is always different, but the result is always the same.  GreatCaesarsGhost   17:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until replacement is announced. After all, he tried to resign a week or two ago, and it got rejected, so absolutely no certainty right now that he'll end up being replaced. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait per Sca and etc. above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know what we have to wait for if the vast majority of editors supported without "waiting" the nomination on Boris Johnson's resignation. As I prefer to be congruent and not consider as precedent the posting of BJ's resignation, I oppose this one and effectively wait for Draghi's successor, or for the snap election that have already been called. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I still think we would have right to wait for Boris Johnson too, but people didn't agree... <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps 'twas the entertainment factor. -- Sca (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per the Boris precedent. I'd argue the real news is the resignation anyway, not the inevitable successor (resignation = unexpected, new PM = expected). YD407OTZ (talk) 16:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is automatically ITNR with a new PM though. And Boris and the Twitter acquisition are not good examples or precedents to create or follow. Gotitbro (talk) 19:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:IAR -- Sca (talk) 12:51, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment From the point of view of a parliamentary democracy, we've seen the coalition lose support in parliament, and a new election is now underway. Normally we don't post stuff when a government falls. So what is his position within his own party? Is there any chance he could remain PM after the election? Johnson is a bit of a different process. The UK government itself is stable; but the party leader himself has resigned in shame in the midst of several scandals. Many of Johnson's scandals were themselves arguably ITN events, but none achieved consensus - so with the camel's back broken ... A more orderly transfer of power, such as when Blair announced he'd resign, would likely not be as notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support posting now he has actually resigned . The new elections won't be held for at least two months, a big enough gap for us not to wait. The article seems in good shape on a quick look, and has a whole section on the resignation. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 18:12, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support unlike Boris he actually resigned. Shadow4dark (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait either until replacement is announced, preferably until a replacement assumed.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: An An

 * This stubby wikibio currently has less than 200 words of prose. Anything more to write about this panda? --PFHLai (talk) 11:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Meh. – Sca (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not Ready Too stubby. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think I will delete the "other panda" part that has nothing to do with this panda, which will make the article shorter. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Robert Curl

 * Oppose as stale his death was announced on 4 July: . Therefore, it should have run within 7 days of 4 July. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Henry Janzen

 * Support - everything looks in order. Not sure about the reliability of Pro Football Archives, but the other sources look fine (without too much digging). Anarchyte  ( talk ) 13:36, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alice Harnoncourt

 * Support Spartan sources, but ok. Minimum length. Grimes2 (talk) 09:43, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Looks good to me. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:53, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:19, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Judith Stamm

 * Support Well-sourced and good enough. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:55, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support short but good enough. If her political career could be extended just a bit further to further demonstrate her major role in the women's rights movement in Switzerland that would be great. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peter Inge, Baron Inge

 * Support article is good enough for RD. Maybe post it as "Peter Inge" to take up less space on RD (and because adding Baron Inge seems to violate MOS:HONORIFIC). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:05, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 18:54, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ruslana Pysanka

 * Support Sufficient. Grimes2 (talk) 09:03, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Short but minimally adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Patrick Michaels

 * Support no issues. Ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted Stephen 05:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Election of Ranil Wickremesinghe

 * Support article looks good enough, has some aftermath, and more can be added once it happens. This is a change of head of state (according to President of Sri Lanka), so is ITNR unless I'm mistaken. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And I would suggest this replaces the older Sri Lankan blurb, even though that is not the oldest blurb on the front page. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And mention the crisis somewhere in the blurb for context. Tone 09:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Done--Blackknight12 (talk) 09:55, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Doubtful that this will change the course of protests much, considering Wickremesinghe is considered by the protesters to be part of the problem. The big story is the protests and we have to see how they will develop with this news, so i'll say wait. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 09:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The election result/change of head of state is WP:ITNR, and so the only relevant factor is article quality, not whatever other related articles exist. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * i'm only saying if we are replacing the blurb which had the protests bolded, we should see how the protests develop first. Its worth nothing that he is the former prime minister. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 15:54, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment We should definitely note and make a distinction that this was not a general election but an internal government one, otherwise it sounds like he has the support of the electorate which he certainly does not. Added altblurb2 Abcmaxx (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support – Widely reported on Wed. High time to rejuvenate grossly outdated 10-day-old blurb. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posting/updating the existing blurb. --Tone 15:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Dillard (gridiron football)

 * Support article is more than long enough, with a career section consisting of more than just stats. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. Marking ready. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 00:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charles Johnson (wide receiver, born 1972)

 * Oppose his professional career has two sentences, and only mentions his debut season. Information on the other 8 seasons is needed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:15, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Time for a re-review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 19:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't need to be pinged twice. Still seems quite short to me. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the quick response, Joseph2302. -- PFHLai (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * strange. You supported Larry Jeffrey recently, and that was only 2,678 characters long.  This article is 2,941 characters – I don't think article length is the true reason for your oppose vote. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:40, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Stop pinging me, this is getting annoying, as it's the third time I've been pinged. The professional career section is too short in my opinion, and is just a lists of arbitrary stats (why is being 10th best at something important). You can disagree with that if you want, but don't accuse me of any ulterior motives, as these violate WP:NPA. 9 years as a professional player should have more prose about it. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 20:03, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Larry Jeffrey also played nine years professionally and had less prose, yet you supported that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Lists of stats is not proper prose, which is what this article is. If people think this is good enough, post it- I'm fine with people disagreeing with me, but not people accusing me of some ulterior motive. The fact people are going through my contribution history to pick an argument with me is ridiculous- maybe I should have opposed that article too, but that's in the past. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 20:14, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No one accused you of "ulterior motives". And a vote made three days ago is hardly "in the past".  The fact that you get so defensive about me pointing out your double standards speaks for itself.  Next. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, formatting looks fine, and Earwig found nothing wrong, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, a bit short, but still appears to be of sufficient quality for ITN. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Michael Henderson

 * Not Ready Orange tagged in the collaborations section. Otherwise doesn't look too bad. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Collaboration section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. And, this wikibio currently has only 298 words of prose. Anything else to write about? Perhaps expanding on things mentioned in the intro and not yet elaborated upon (but really should be) in the main body? --PFHLai (talk) 01:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hans-Joachim Hespos

 * Support good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:54, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:11, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Larry Jeffrey

 * Support good enough for RD, the career section covers all of his career which is good. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Claes Oldenburg

 * Support Undoubtedly, the person is notable and that the article is well sourced.
 * Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:39, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Two cn tags need to be resolved, the rest is good. Tone 08:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support ✅ Grimes2 (talk) 11:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posting. --Tone 12:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Greenwood Mall shooting (U.S.)

 * Wait The article is still a stub, and it's not clear yet whether this will get the sort of coverage that will make it ITN-significant. I get the "good guy with a gun" angle, but I'm still doubtful as to whether this will last beyond the 24 hour news cycle. That's in sharp contrast to the Uvalve school shooting and the police response, which is still generating headlines today due to the release of a damning report. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This doesn't meet the usual minimum death threshold and is also yet another US shooting, which has been discussed ad nauseam; and gunman shot by another gunman or not, this is simply too commonplace to post each and every one. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose no, you don't have to nominate every single shooting that occurs in America. Don't waste our time. We need to know what the consensus is in Candidates on these events. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per the above points, not important enough for ITN. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose This is the type of routine crime in the US that doesn't have a long term impact. --M asem (t) 14:23, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - and the nom, even if I am sympathetic to the motivation, appears to be a straightforward POINT violation. If you dont think it belongs here then dont nominate it. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:37, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I do think it belongs here. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  14:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah well, I misread the best way to demonstrate the newsworthiness of specific mass shootings is to nominate all of them that might occur so as to provide an opportunity to compare and contrast. I thought this so obviously failed the requirements that it was one of those meant to compare and contrast with the ones that garner more attention and merit consideration here. Never mind then, oppose as routine, Cam'ron has a line about this that I cant quote here, but along the lines of some things happen everyday. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do think we should be more proactive in nominating mass shootings, but I also believe this one is a rare example of one that has a low death toll but still an unusual impact. I believe this will do more to alter the conversation about gun control in the United States than any of the more recent shootings, since politicians can now point to this and say that this is an example of how concealed carry prevents further deaths. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  14:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Describing an armed civilian who halted a mass shooting as "another gunman" or a "lone gunman" is horrendously misleading. Kafoxe (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree. In a way, I am surprised this has not happened before. Of am I just being naive? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I agree that this is a kind of routine crime in U.S. Alex-h (talk) 14:41, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment "may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents" Well yes, maybe, if they really want to prove themselves as mental defectives? Let's have more guns, in the hope that any mass shooter will be gunned down by another nearby gunman. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Clarfication: "may actually work in favor of 2nd Amendment proponents" - is this part of the nomination, or not? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just as a note that I didn't hat your post, but yes, that observation is a bit crystal-bally, I admit. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  15:02, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I, an editor who supports most U.S. mass shootings that are nominated here, do not think that this shooting rises to the level of posting, based on what I know at this time. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Tragic for those involved, but sadly shootings with 4 deaths are a common occurrence in the US. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:04, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * (I experienced an edit conflict with the closure of this section - but am adding my comment anyway) - Weak oppose I'm not sure this one stands out enough in light of other recent shootings like the ones in Buffalo, Uvalde, and Highland Park, or the Indianapolis FedEx shooting last year. (This is despite the fact that I live near this mall and shop there frequently - and this event is horrific.) That said, I think it's time we seriously consider putting List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 into Ongoing, and I would support a proposal to do that. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 15:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jessie Duarte

 * Support - per nominator's comment. Alex-h (talk) 15:58, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Looks to be in good condition. rooves (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 23:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Dee Hock

 * Oppose for now. Many citations are needed, and the article says nothing about the first 39 years of his life. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:31, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gerald Shargel

 * Support Referenced, meets minimum standards for depth of coverage.  Spencer T• C 18:52, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:00, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ángela Abós Ballarín

 * Support short, but good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support good enough for RD, have marked as ready. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:41, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Wakanohana Kanji II

 * Support Very well referenced. Kafoxe (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Solid article. Grimes2 (talk) 16:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hobie Billingsley

 * Long enough to qualify (500+ words of prose), with no concerns with formatting or footnote deployment, and Earwig has found nothing wrong, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 06:43, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) European heat wave & wildfires

 * Support because combined with 2022 European wildfires, it's important enough. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle but this needs some restructuring and/or splitting. There are two distinct heat waves involved in this article and both have had/are having massive impacts. The one last month killed well over 1,000 people while the ongoing one is over 300 deaths (I'm seeing conflicting totals, but the most consistent I've found is 238 in Portugal and 84 in Spain). The wildfires might be worth adding to the blurb if that article can be cleaned up. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and split the pages and provided a less country-specific altblurb. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality. Significance is a no-brainer.  GreatCaesarsGhost   20:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Oppose  also on quality. Seems like there is a mix of different articles covering the same/similar events. Several of the wikilinks in the blurbs provided are redirects to past (June 2022) events. Re-nominate once fixed. Polyamorph (talk) 21:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Change to Support - quality is still not great but at least the article is stable now. It is significant. Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: No one else support or oppose for a while. Someone split the June and July articles without any discussions, so a bunch of wikilinks got messed up. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Any blurb that is calling out the special warning/situation in the UK is not going to be appropriate, the entire Western Europe region is affected. --M asem (t) 22:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Comment – Not to mention many other places. Where I live in the U.S., it's 102F (39C) late Sat. afternoon. It's been like this all week. If we had a good worldwide roundup that might be approp. – Sca (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * To be fair the heat wave in EU is from one/two closely tied weather systems, whereas in the middle of summer of the US it's just warmer, and there are not mass deaths from it. M asem (t) 22:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not suggesting the U.S. is particularly notable, although for the past couple weeks it's been unusually warm in the West. The overall point is it's hot in many regions beside Europe. -- Sca (talk) 22:52, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The distinction is Europe very rarely gets this sort of temperature. This is more newsworthy the same way a flood somewhere that has never flooded before and is in an area where a flood couldn't usually reach would be more newsworthy than a flood in an area that floods once a year. That is how news works, after all. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:E118:40C3:CEF3:344 (talk) 02:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * By that same coin, the impact seems to be far more on the Iberian than Western European in general.  GreatCaesarsGhost   12:20, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Heatwave, even just for July, has ~600 deaths. The 2021 Western North American heat wave was posted at 103. This makes it one of, if not the, deadliest weather event of 2022. The ongoing heat in the United States is just a typical summer heat wave, this could be the continent’s worst since 1757. I would also like to add that the issues with the links is resolved, so I would ask those users to reconsider their votes now. I oppose mentioning the UK in the title though, and would go far enough to say it should be merged with the July heatwave article. 47.21.202.18 (talk) 22:50, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You can't really compare a western North America heatwave to those places that have heat waves with a lot of deaths (like central and eastern North America where thousands if not tens of thousands die). The humidity remains low during western heat waves - which is also what is being seen currently in much of Western Europe. The death from heat waves normally requires high humidity as well. I expect part of the reason that Europe's deaths are higher than one might expect is because of a lack of preparedness, air conditioning, cooling centres, and experience with such conditions. Nfitz (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality. Will try to work on that now though, definitely worthy of posting otherwise. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 01:45, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality, but does definitely deserve a blurb. Massive event, lots of fatalities and unusual for the region. Just needs more information and it's good to go. echidnaLives (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality and to talk about the heat wave and mention only one country is to ignore what is happening. The Iberian Peninsula is being affected by historic fires in all its extension and with temperature records also historic. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Widely covered Sunday: AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters. Bears watching. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Definitely see coverage to make this an ITN item, but the article presently sucks and fails to cover all problems going on, nor why its happening (being attributing it to global warming). Should be treated similar to any weather-disaster related article. --M asem (t) 14:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Compris. -- Sca (talk) 19:38, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, The ongoing heatwave in different countries and its death toll should appear in ITN. Alex-h (talk) 15:52, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - The heatwave is being covered by many reliable news outlets like CNN, BBC, The Economist, and the Associated Press. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 20:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Events like this rarely happen, especially with such high death tolls. This should make ITN. rooves (talk) 21:30, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - I just read this hours old NYT article. The article needs work but it will improve. Clearly ITN-worthy story. Biggest problem in my view is that there are other similar articles covering different aspects and countries. Merger proposals are pending. Still, lets post it. This story is not going away. Jusdafax (talk) 22:22, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Alas, substandard prose and/or structure shouldn't be presented on the Main Page just to get it into the box. Not a ticker, etc. -- Sca (talk) 22:49, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support important enough, and July 2022 European heat wave is good enough article quality, notwithstanding any possible article merges (which would create a better article anyway). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support if the issue is too many events rolled into one article, then I suggest a split but leave the current page . Abcmaxx (talk) 11:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * actually 2003 European heat wave, 2006 European heat wave, and 2018 European heat wave all set a good precedent on how it should look.Abcmaxx (talk) 11:57, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Monday coverage: AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters. – Sca (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They are all very reliable news sources. Hemanth Nalluri 11 (talk) 12:54, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Guardian article is somewhat closer to being a roundup, with mentions of Morocco and even China lower down. Ed's note says Reuters, AP and AFP contributed to the report. -- Sca (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support. I'll declare a possible CoI, as my location seems to have broken the UK record today and the temperature is still climbing. The article is an underwhelming list of not-very-related impacts, and could do with more attention to the wildfires, but does meet our minimum requirements. The event itself seems significant enough, and we've gone a week with no new blurbs. This isn't great but is good enough to post, hence weak support. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:09, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle - articles do need work but definitely news-worthy enough to warrant a blurb XxLuckyCxX (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I want to post these, but the quality is lacking. The WP:PROSELINE really needs to be addressed, some places need fleshing out, and I wonder if reorganizing the articles would help. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - this is very Euro-centric, despite there being extreme heat and fires in parts of Africa and also Alaska - among other places. I think there needs to be a more global view. Nfitz (talk) 21:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the Alaska heat will likely be dismissed by some as too America-centric, particularly since the areas that do get anomalous heat are sparsely inhabited (same for Siberia a few days ago). As for Africa, it doesn't look like Africa is undergoing one currently - a search about Ethiopia does not give me coverage about the heat wave; most of the other heat is in the Sahara, where few people live anyway, while the southern hemisphere is in winter season right now. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The non-sparsely populated parts of Alaska are also seeing heat, . African fires and heat have been widely reported. There was extreme heat last month in Iran. Meanwhile there is currently extreme heat in China. That Nasa article in the last link is a much better basis for an ITN article than one that restricts itself to a regional issue. Looking deeper, there is extreme heat in southwestern parts of the United States, and it looks like western Canada may be next. The media doesn't tend to get as wound up in North America, until town and cities start burning down. Many more people in the impacted areas have air conditioning - and most residential houses have basements. This is far more than just western Europe. There's widescale WP:BIAS in only reporting this about Europe. Nfitz (talk) 10:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The ping didn't work for whatever reason? Anyway, all of these examples should have had their articles done and proposed here. Btw, the heat in Europe is in fact from Western Sahara, which includes Morocco, so these are connected issues. As for Iran and China, definitely should have been proposed here but weren't AFAIK, because there were no articles written about those heat waves. Ultimately it isn't about us preferring to promote European topics on ITN and more about people don't caring to write the articles about areas outside EU/US, which is a problem of our user base in general (admittedly I'm part of it, because most things I wrote of so far were connected to Europe or Canada).
 * As for the US and Canada, I am looking at these and apparently all-time heat records were at best tied as in Salt Lake City, so unless there are numerous casualties, or towns burning, the ITN posting of these extreme events is right now unclear. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 10:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's try pinging you like this, User:Szmenderowiecki, which is what I've done for a decade+ before I was told it never worked! I don't see where the Salt Lake City information is coming from - and I thought the worst heat was further west (and north). Many heat records in British Columbia were completely shattered - though it was the massive extent and damage of the fires that were most notable. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The ping works!
 * I mean, the Salt Lake City stuff if from just two days ago, but even if it broke the record, I don't think that alone it would qualify. I am not aware of any recent heat advisories for BC, or the Pacific Northwest in general (the last one I can find was from three weeks ago), but obviously this does not qualify for ITN. If the territorial all time highs are broken in Yukon or NWT or Nunavut, then I think it might be postable given that we are speaking of Arctic regions.
 * Also, my criteria are these: a national record is set; a record for a large state/territory/oblast is set and coupled with some unusual disasters; or the heat wave brings about a lot of mayhem and deaths. So the last year's heat wave in BC would qualify because it obliterated the previous all-time high record in Canada; this heat wave would also qualify; the heatwave from May would also qualify as unusually early. On the other hand, snow in Brazil, as it happened in May, would IMHO also be fine to mention here. More climate news - the climate crisis is there after all! Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's been much heat worth mentioning this month in most of North America - record highs happen all the time with climate change - heck, we got one here today in Toronto - but the humidity isn't brutal yet with a dew point of 17C, so it's not a big concern or notable (though still feels warmer than London - where the dew point 8C at 1 pm BST!). It's Africa and Asia that are seeing extremes. Though that might change in North America looking at the 2 to 4 week forecasts - more so in the West. I'm all in favour of an ITN though - but including at least Asia and northern Africa. Nfitz (talk) 01:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * On that we agree. Just the articles should be there. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support but wait. Looking back into archives, the 2021 Western North America heat wave got published, though IMHO I'd much prefer to cite actual temperatures and record highs for countries, rather than simply saying that there is an extreme heat wave which kills people and damages infrastructure - both seem sort of obvious. Today some of the worst roasting is expected in the UK, so I'd post the updated info Tuesday evening; also, Belgium and the Netherlands might also get a lot of record temps. Also, we need to explain what the "red alerts" about heat are supposed to mean if we are to post them. So focus on the gist - temperatures, and possibly the number of dead/estimated losses. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 02:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle under the effective consensus already present. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Tuesday:    – Sca (talk) 12:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure this would have been posted days ago if it were in North America... Although admittedly not been helped by many article splits/merges, the article that exists now seems fine, and more than good enough for ITN (where we often post way poorer quality articles than this one). And actual records are being broken as we speak, don't get why this is still being held up. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * By tomorrow it will be yesterday's news. Quality has been the biggest hold up, most agree on the significance to post. When I opposed the links all pointed in different directions, merges were happening. It is now more stable. Quality is still not great but I've changed my oppose to support. Polyamorph (talk) 14:15, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no need to suggest bad faith here. The target remains in horrible condition. It's not so much an encyclopedia article as it is a list of facts we might later use to compose an article.  GreatCaesarsGhost   16:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality and also on scope - much of the article is just unstructured bullet points, e.g. Spain's jUly heatwave. Furthermore, as noted above by, this same heat wave extends into North Africa and mention should be made of what's happened there, for completeness. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree. If a reasonably descriptive section on N. Africa could be added, this might serve as an acceptable modus vivendi to avoid ignoring the No.1 story after Rukraine. -- Sca (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, in principle, a mix of Alt Blurbs 1 and 3; last year's heat dome over the Rockies got posted, after all, which was less impactful in the end. Sceptre (talk) 16:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Less impactful, ? In the centre of the event it hit 49.6 °C (121.3 °F), destroying an entire town. The Lytton wildfire alone was about 84,000 hectares - ten times the size I'm seeing reported for fires in Spain; and there were much larger fires than Lytton - some also with their own articles. You could smell the smoke a thousand miles away - and there's no way that's even factored into the excess deaths. Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support on notability. It's getting there on quality, I think it'd benefit from some changes to its structuring (too many sentences use format On July, this happened), but the contents itself are sourced bar a few sentences that I noticed. Not too far from being ready. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 19:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Highly unusual event that is getting major news coverage globally. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - shouldn't some of the linked articles be the very poorly written Heat waves of 2022 and perhaps Wildfires in 2022? I'm opposed to posting this as is, just referencing one region, but in the bigger picture it's notable. And perhaps Anthropogenic climate change be ongoing - which seems redirected to a poor name. Perhaps a relatively easy fix is changing blurb I from Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe. to Record-breaking heat waves and wildfires severely affect Europe and across the Northern Hemisphere'', and improve Heat waves of 2022; Heat waves of 2021 is in better shape (though could still have done with some work). Nfitz (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I just came across this very good, new, article which looks at the whole thing in a much more global, and less sensational way. Might be used to improve the article(s). I wonder if there'll be something in Thursday's hardcopy version of the newspaper. Nfitz (talk) 22:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I would strongly support linking Anthropogenic climate change in ongoing, although I think the required discussion isn't well suited to this page; an RfC at WT:In the news/Candidates might be the best place. BilledMammal (talk) 02:11, 20 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support — Significant event, must post. STSC (talk) 02:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 06:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José Ramón Balaguer

 * This wikibio is long enough to qualify (500+ words of prose). Footnotes can be found at expected spots. There are no concerns with formatting. And Earwig has found nothing wrong. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:33, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 02:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Pratap Pothen

 * The Filmography is unsourced, so is about half of the Awards and Nominations section. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above, Filmography still unsourced.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Francisco Morales-Bermúdez

 * Oppose article far from ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:10, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose still needs work, added some cite tags.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:50, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Carleton Varney

 * Posted Stephen 06:30, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ivana Trump

 * Support article looks in good nick. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as there is no orange tags. Sahaib (talk) 21:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support article looks great. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, per the above. I am not happy with the phrase "Trump was also the first wife of former U.S. President Donald Trump." because when they were married, he was not president. At the moment, most readers will know that he was former president, but more relevant would be what he was when they married and divorced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Who could forget UK's Celebrity Big Brother in 2010, even if they try. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Missile attack on Vinnytsia

 * Oppose War stuff happening in a war. This is everyday there. As tragic as it is, this is what war brings. I wouldn't expect it to be posted for any area that is currently in a war. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 19:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Tragic and most likely another war crime but we'd never have space to post anything else anymore if we posted all the war crimes Russia is committing in that invasion. That's what's ongoing is for. ITN is for those events that receive more than the routine coverage war crimes do (such as the Bucha massacre). Regards So  Why  20:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as above. Certainly not common for there to be this many civilian deaths this far west of the Dnipr, but this is just another comma in a very long and brutal war. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I think unless Russia launches a nuke, we have all these kinds of stories covered under the "ongoing" listing. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:37, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I... don't think there would be anything to post this on (or from) if Russia launches the nukes.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.44.170.26 (talk) 20:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Never heard of tactical nuclear weapons? Odd. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:03, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: "Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the Russian state-controlled media said the individuals targeted in the attack ... were "Nazis"." The likely target (across the square) was the "Officers' House", a concert hall. Online you can watch a video of the 3-old-year Liza, who was killed, an hour before. Her mother lost a leg. Just another comma. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Russia committing a war crime! Must be a day ending in y. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Mario Draghi resigns

 * Comment I believe this isn't ITNR, as replacements are ITNR, and replacement hasn't been announced yet. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 17:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It would not be very congruent to support the inclusion of BJ's resignation and not Draghi's. As I still consider that what is ITNR is the appointment of prime ministers and heads of state with executive powers, I oppose this nomination. Whether it’s of the premier of Italy, UK or Andorra (except in very exceptional cases such as in Sri Lanka). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:14, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Except that UK Prime Ministers tend to resign less often than Italian ones, as coalition governments are rare, so when it does happen it's perhaps more notable. There have been 29 Italian PMs since 1946, compared to only 16 UK PMs in the same period.Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is why we shouldn't have posted Boris, when we rejected these resignation nominations for many other countries. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I'm not sure how the Italian president rejecting the PM's offer to resign meets the ITN. Nfitz (talk) 18:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note - I've removed ITNR as however one reads the criteria, an offer of resignation that was not accepted is not a change in head of executive. -- KTC (talk) 19:29, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose good faith nom. It appears the resignation was not accepted and we don't post non-events. Suggest speedy close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose (for now). Can and should be revisited if his resignation is accepted and he therefore really stops being PM. Regards So  Why  19:59, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose nominated in good faith as it looked a story at the time, but the president has refused his resignation and for that reason nothing has happened - yet. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose unless he actually resigns and is replaced. As above, his resignation has been rejected, so doesn't look like there will be a change of leader, which is the ITNR. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) USD/EUR parity

 *  Wait Oppose – Impact uncertain. Developing. – Sca (talk) 12:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose essentially trivia, no wider economic impact.Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - What's the significance of this? Since the parity event doesn't have its own article, it's necessary to explain why this is considered important financial news.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  12:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Currencies fluctuate, thats just what they do, and currently the Euro is ever so slightly above the dollar. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 12:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose currencies fluctuate, especially one that relies on 20+ countries' economies. Not ITN worthy, and it seems not true anymore anyway, as it's just above 1.00 currently. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose This is just "currency reaches arbitrary value in comparison to another currency." This is nothing intrinsically meaningful. Steelkamp (talk) 13:17, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rubina Qureshi

 * Oppose on quality. A few cns around the place, and orange tagged. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 07:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 06:27, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rashard Anderson

 * Support, looks good enough. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:31, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sixtus Lanner

 * Comment: There are a few quotes in need of sourcing. Please add footnotes and REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC) That was quick! Sourcing now done (AGF on non-English sources). No issues with formatting. Long enough at 500+ words. Earwig found absolutely no concerns. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Appears sufficient now. Kafoxe (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 04:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Colin Stubs

 * Despite the subject's name, this wikibio is not a stub -- it has 500+ words and is long enough to qualify. Formatting and deployment of footnotes look fine. And, Earwig reports no issues. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Agree, this looks fine. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:56, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:44, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Bobby East

 * Citations needed. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Citations still needed. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:02, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Froines

 * Support Quote in the intro should be moved to the body, but otherwise good depth of coverage, fully referenced. Marking ready.  Spencer T• C 21:33, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Quote was moved out of the intro and into the main body. --PFHLai (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Spencer Webb

 * Support Looks OK.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:48, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 04:14, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Joshua Schulte convicted for Vault 7 Disclosures

 * Comment I'm not sure the two-sentence update on the target article is sufficient, especially since there's no info on the retrial. Also, the proposed blurb is far too long, but that's an easy enough fix ("Ex-CIA engineer Joshua Schulte is convicted for his role in the Vault 7 leak", or something like that). Kicking222 (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment New York? What country is New York in? I think I would support this in theory, but wonder whether or not this would actually be considered significant or newsworthy. I'm not sure where our bar is for criminal prosecutions like these.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  16:52, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment if the conviction and leak is so significant then it surely should have its own article rather that a section on a biographical article? Abcmaxx (talk) 21:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above, if they're ITN level of notable, they would be worthy of their own article, rathed than a few lines in another article. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment as nominator. Added alternate blurbs highlighting leak article and short version of blurb. Carter00000 (talk) 01:14, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Attack on journalism by the US surveillance state. Deserves to be reported on. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 14:08, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not an attack on journalism.. the guy was not a journalist. and we don't post things to right great wrongs. -- Rockstone Send me a message!  04:08, 18 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- not notable enough for ITN, and it's not being particularly widely reported on by the media.. so it's not really ITN. -- Rockstone Send me a message!  04:08, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Diana Lebacs

 * Posted Stephen 04:11, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Zahia Mentouri

 * Long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots (There are REFs in 3 languages but none in English, so AGF.) and with no glaring formatting problems, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 02:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 04:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob Parsons (American football)

 * Support Looks ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I concur with Muboshgu. -- The SandDoctor Talk 04:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I concur with SandDoctor and Muboshgu.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  11:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I concur with Muboshgu, SandDoctor, and WaltCip. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:07, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I concur with Muboshgu, SandDoctor, WaltCip and BeanieFan11.  Hamza Ali Shah   Talk 15:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:26, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Unlawful SAS Killings during War in Afghanistan

 * Comment I see no update to the bolded article. There is a one-line update to Carleton-Smith's, but that's not enough.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Added a section on the article at Special_Air_Service Carter00000 (talk) 14:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above; none of the targets proposed seem appropriate. A separate article would be needed. Also, the suggested significance requires splitting hairs on the notion of "unlawful" killings. The allies killed thousands of non-combatants; who cares which ones were sanctioned?  GreatCaesarsGhost   13:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose These are allegations and so WP:BLPCRIME applies. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose as highlighted by, WP:BLPCRIME applies. ITNC does not post allegations/speculations, but especially not for alleged crimes. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose per above. Not the place for "allegations". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Michael Fowler

 * Support 5591 characters (898 words) "readable prose size". Sourced. Style ok. Grimes2 (talk) 17:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support No issues apparent and well sourced Prodrummer619 (talk) 08:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posting. --Tone 08:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bernard Toone

 * Support Short but adequate and solidly referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:20, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, appears to meet the requirements for RD. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:30, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gary Moeller

 * Comment – the tables in the "Head coaching record" section should be referenced (regardless of whether identical info is referenced in the main body, but you may re-use sources from there). Rest of the article looks like it meets the minimum ITN requirements – will support once issue above is resolved. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:04, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:03, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Great – support and marking ready. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ducky Schofield

 * Support Seems sufficient. Kafoxe (talk) 22:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked

 * Oppose on notability, given that only one person is affected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carter00000 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Moral support - Good faith nomination from an IP editor, and I encourage them to continue participating in ITN/C.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  13:18, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose not really "globally notable". _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose whilst a shock and the story is a bit in the news, not enough coverage to make it ITN-worthy. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose From reading the article, this event would have happened in the early nineties. So yeah, I think this is a little outdated. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose not sure how this meets any ITNC, and also as Darkside said. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose good faith nom but insufficiently notable for ITN. We rarely post anything that doesn't rate a stand-alone article. Frankly this is the sort of news one typically associates with tabloid celebrity culture. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:16, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Would make a good DYK though if Mo Farah makes it to GA status.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Shocking for certain. I don't think ITN typically runs claim statements. CoatCheck (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Imam Soetopo

 * Support Article generally well-referenced even when new. Juxlos (talk) 07:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * This wikibio is long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), and has footnotes at expected spots, with no obvious formatting concerns. However, as a reader, it seems that there is no coverage of his life between his tenure as commander of the military region ending on 6 November 1992 and his installation as the Mayor of Surakarta on 9 January 1995, as well as the period between his being replaced as mayor in 2000 and his death in 2022. Anything to include? Did he simply retire in 2000? Otherwise, this is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 07:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't really figure out anything significant happening between 2000 until his death in 2022, but this article from 2010 says that his house was robbed and the burglar pointed a knife to him before fleeing the scene. Idk if that's important to the article or not.--Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 10:49, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The wikibio is fine as is. Just that as I read it, it seems like there is a gap. Perhaps a sentence about where he resided in retirement would be useful. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 10:57, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well "living in Surakarta" is probably not too notable if he was mayor there in the first place. Juxlos (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I was more interested in something, anything related to his retirement. Never mind. I was probably quibbling about nothing. --PFHLai (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Looks good enough. – Ammarpad (talk) 13:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maurice Boucher

 * Support Long, detailed and cited. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:30, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 04:07, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) First images from the James Webb Space Telescope

 * Comment previous discussion: In the news/Candidates/January 2022. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Once the first image is revealed and in the article - assuming it is as stunning as expected. The consensus in the previous discussion, reference above, was that the time for the ITN was when the first images are revealed. Nfitz (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Update There was a delay, which Biden said was due to his preparation for a trip to the Middle East, but he revealed the image which was, as expected, of a deep field image of ancient galaxies with gravitational lensing.  I'm not sure when it will be available for download but suppose that, as it's a NASA image, we will be able to use it freely. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Update and support The image has been revealed and is already on Wikimedia Commons. Put it on the front page without a doubt. X-Editor (talk) 22:40, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But please use the original png version since the inferior jpeg version is nominated for deletion. <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">cart <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  22:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment this is a scientific milestone. "President Biden reveals" is unnecessary. Politics is sometimes superfluous. Support once cn tags are fixed. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment the blurb should mention that JWST has finished all commissioning activities and is now ready to start science operations. Jolielegal (talk) 22:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * First light was back in early July. Not really necessary M asem (t) 00:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Awesome news. Davey2116 (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * NASA should definitely be in the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 02:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Strongly support a monumental achievement made in the entirety of science. no excuse for it to not be featured. Ayyydoc (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support but for god's sake, we don't need to mention Joe Biden. Get a grip. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The lead mentions him because he's the one who unveiled the image. That's all. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  01:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong support and the project is at least two decades in the making so not specific to any political administration Bumbubookworm (talk) 23:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support without Biden, the fifth president during the development. I would also like an expedited featured picture procedure to make it today's featured picture within days (replacing a scheduled entry at Picture of the day/July 2022). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea for a later release of images by Webb, scheduled 1 hour from now. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - but NASA and not Biden should be linked. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 23:56, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Conditional support for a blurb that does not include a reference to Biden. Morgan695 (talk) 00:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment i made a page dedicated to the deep field since other deep fields have gotten pages and this one is far and away the most significant to date. Ayyydoc (talk) 00:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Some good news for a change. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support for any of the blurbs. NASA should be mentioned, since they're the ones who created and are operating it, although if NASA isn't mentioned, it's not a big deal. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  01:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment on qualit There are a few CN and u sourced para in this. --M asem (t) 01:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Alt 2 blurb - Sherenk1 (talk) 03:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted ALT 2. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Without the quality issues addressed???? Please pull until fixed. --M asem (t) 06:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pull The James Webb Space Telescope article is in bad shape: the cn tags must be fixed before posting it on Main Page. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:56, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please note that the bolded link in the blurb currently on MainPage goes to Webb's First Deep Field, not James Webb Space Telescope. --PFHLai (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Post-posting support: per PFHLai, there are no quality issues with the bolded article Webb's First Deep Field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.229.81.84 (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Barry Sinclair

 * Long enough (400+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, no formatting concerns, and with no problems found by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 16:07, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 04:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Monty Norman

 * Comments: The entire Career section has just one footnote. The list of his Musicals at the end of the article is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:20, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added footnotes to the remaining parts. Article should now be completely sourced – hope you can have another look at it. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:19, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bloom6132, thank you for your edits and the new footnotes. Referencing now looks up to snuff. Formatting and coverage seem fine. And Earwig has found nothing wrong. This wikibio is READY for RD now. Cheers! -- PFHLai (talk) 21:37, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted Stephen 22:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: José Guirao

 * work completed. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Undoubtedly has no issues. Prodrummer619 (talk) 12:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Flawless. Grimes2 (talk) 13:30, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, fine work! (thank you for supporting Alfred Koerppen waiting below, probably needs one more) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 14:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Grizzly Giant endangered by wildfire

 * Too Soon All notable organisms can be killed. If this industry giant dies, nominate it for an RD/blurb. Threats, though real, are everywhere. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until the tree burns down, then post as RD. We can't nominate an organism for RD until it actually dies. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Mentioning Yosemite National Park instead of Mariposa Grove would make the blurb more accessible for readers.—Bagumba (talk) 05:27, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose A tree being threatened by a fire is not sufficiently notable for ITN. As per InedibleHulk, if it dies, then nominate it again. Chrisclear (talk) 05:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and close that a tree is threatened by fire is the last thing I would consider ITNR-worthy. It's summer and it's a natural occurrence . And the fact that it's 3,000-years-old, even if it's important, doesn't make it extraordinary, since it's only necessary to see the millenary olive trees in the Mediterranean basin that burn every year. In any case, the blurb does not even mention the country. Where is this happening? Most of the world's population does not know what "Mariposa Grove" is. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and close WP:SPECUALTION, and not sure if it'd be ITN worthy even if it did burn down. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I can assure you that burning down 34,000 cubic feet of solid green wood would take whatever scientists call the opposite of a miracle. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You're presuming a belief in science. —Bagumba (talk) 09:00, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also in that case, the article would need to fixed too, as it's a stub. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I would also oppose this article on quality. I recommend trying to expand the article before suggesting it as a blurb again, if the worst does come to pass. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 08:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought Sequoias generally resist fire; that's part of the reason they have lived for so long. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Even if the tree burned down I would be skeptical that this is noteworthy international news. And the tree hasn't even burned down. Endwise (talk) 09:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

2022 Japanese House of Councillors Election

 * Oppose on quality the background section is (correctly) orange-tagged as needing expansion. ITN does not post article with orange tags. Also, is there more that could be said about the legal challenges- they sound interesting/unusual. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 11:08, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose I do not believe this qualifies under ITN/R, which mentions general elections, since only half of the members of the upper house were elected-Chaosquo (talk) 12:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — Not a general election, not WP:ITN/R event. STSC (talk) 07:08, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment It looks like the previous U.S. Senate election, which elects only one third of the members of the upper house, was tagged as ITNR. Joofjoof (talk) 22:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gerald McEntee

 * Support Appropriate depth of coverage, referenced. Marking ready.  Spencer T• C 08:55, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:10, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

2022 Wimbledon Championships

 * Oppose Quality is poor. Citations are needed and there is no prose update, just tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Per above, would support if prose were added. I believe other recent Grand Slam articles were posted when feedback was incorporated 69.203.136.65 (talk) 01:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — ...for now, needs improvement. STSC (talk) 02:19, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Aside And it seems that these tennis events regularly misuse WP:HATNOTEs, e.g. a see also at the top of 2022 Wimbledon Championships, a main at start of 2022 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles, etc.—Bagumba (talk) 04:04, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose has the recurring tennis article issue of no text about the actual matches themselves. At a minimum, needs a summary paragraph or two for each of the competitions, instead of just linking to e.g. 2022 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles, which itself has very little event prose. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Uber Leaks

 * Oppose - A nothingburger. It's accepted that Uber tries to lobby governments for preferential treatment; it's been going on ever since California (United States) declared its drivers to be the equivalent of W-2 employees. Nothing especially newsworthy here, and no long-term significance likely unless governments actually decide to take more serious action.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  17:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A company lobbying governments for preferential treatment? Unthinkable! Simply inconceivable! Kurtis (talk) 19:55, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I know. I was absolutely stunned when I heard that Big Tobacco of all industries does that. For a time I actually believed there was no such thing as corruption. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  19:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - On top of cementing our knowledge of their secret lobbying, the leak also highlights the often illegal lengths Uber went through in order to bolster their standing worldwide. That in addition to their extensive coverup efforts, and their weaponization of their drivers. I believe the blurb should reflect these other aspects as well. This leak will likely have an impact on the future of the ridesharing industry, or at least how they conduct themselves. PikminFan9000 (talk) 17:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Currently, the leak is a single paragraph on Uber's article and has no page of its own. Kafoxe (talk) 17:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WaltCip. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:04, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppozr pet Waltcip. Not a major transformative story, and it is well. Known that companies do this. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment interesting piece of business news, article is awful. If you consolidate the proseline mess of the "history" section it might be longer than the controversies. Nothing at all about the tech - basically no description of the product or company at all. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:56, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Per previous opposition, notably Walt 's. Lacks significance. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 22:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose if we didn't post BlueLeaks we won't likely post this, although thanks for nominating. Therapyisgood (talk) 01:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The peg is always lost in the sea. CoatCheck (talk) 01:43, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: L. Q. Jones

 * Oppose Filmography section needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Multiple footnote-free paragraphs in the prose. Half of the Filmography section (Television) is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lily Safra

 * Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There are a few {cn} tags. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * {CN} tags persist. Things like getting divorced and getting convicted and jailed really should be referenced. Please add more REFs --PFHLai (talk) 01:57, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
 * {CN} tags now resolved. Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:18, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Sri Lankan President's House Storming & Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe Resignation

 * Wait According to this, President Rajapaksa intends to resign on 13 July, so I would wait until that day for the blurb to contain his resignation and that of the prime minister. Without any doubt, the resignation of the two highest authorities of a country motivated by massive protests is, IMO, ITNR-worthy. I wouldn't mention anything about the storming of the presidential palace. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2022§ (UTC)
 * As discussed here recently with regard your misguided opposition to the nomination of the Boris Johnson resignation announcements, a main purpose of ITN is "to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news", implying that the timing should be determined based on coverage in (reliable) news sources - not by the opinion of individual Wikipedia editors who disagree with these sources on which is the more newsworthy aspect in such a course of events. Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support we can update the hook later if Rajapaksa also resigns. Bad week to be a prime minister of a country, it seems. Juxlos (talk) 17:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the storming itself would probably already be notable enough, the fact that it also resulted in the resignation of the prime minister, and ostensibly the resignation of the president, makes it even more so. I only have an issue with the "agree to his resignation" part. Is this something the protestors specifically asked for? It makes an already wordy blurb even longer. YD407OTZ (talk) 17:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Though the pronouns in the blurb are confusing to me. Has Wickremesinghe agreed to his own resignation or the president's? Nfitz (talk) 18:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Major unrest followed by a PM resignation is notable enough to add a blurb. --Posted by Pikamander2   (Talk)  at 18:47, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait – AlJazeera says Rajapaksa to resign next Wed., July 13, as Alsoriano notes. Posting now would be premature. – Sca (talk) 18:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * PS: – Wiki is not a Sri Lanka ticker. – Sca (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say the big story is all this is the presidential palace being stormed, because thats the impetus for the resignations... that happened today. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 19:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * 1) Support major news; incorporate the unrest in the blurbs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support  I do think this is an interesting story I think should be shared, but I'm uncertain as to timing. Perhaps the better question to ask here is whether there is some framing of the story that will encapsulate the ongoing events that might develop as it lingers on the front page. 142.126.80.63 (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support and with the way things are tracking I'd lean towards putting the unrest in Sri Lanka in Ongoing after this blurb rolls off as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment obviously notable but the article is a dreadful state of WP:PROSELINE and in need of a copyedit. At least a first pass on cleanup should be done before it goes up. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Like what does this "On 16 April, Gotagogama People's University was officially opened to people from all walks of life as the university was built to create a free space for knowledge sharing." mean and what does it have to do with protests about a poor economy? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pathetic boosterism. -- Sca (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with regard to this particular sentence, which I have just removed along with making a few other improvements to the article. Overall however it is well-sourced, and tone fails such as this are the exception; the main issue seems to me that it is a bit too detailed, but that isn't a dealbreaker regarding ITN. By the way, the same article was already featured on ITN back in April (with regard to a different event). Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * back in April the article wasn't in the dreadful state it is now. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:37, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Definitely notable and will be ITN/R when they do resign. Added an altblurb. Third PM to be in the news in three days, who knows what will happen tomorrow? Davey2116 (talk) 20:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - if this was happening in a G7 country, we'd have already posted it. Also, now is not a good time to be a current or former Prime Minister, apparently. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  21:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality I would 100% support this blurb and also putting the protest page into ongoing, but the protest article needs some work done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support This event ( 2022 Sri Lankan protests ) is notable not only for the upcoming resignations of the President and Prime Minister that it led to, but also the extent of the protests and the burning of the residences of both the President and PM. Willsteve2000 (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support A significant event. I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted already. -TenorTwelve (talk) 05:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support. I too opened the main page expecting this to already be there in ITN. It's a very major news story. Endwise (talk) 05:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support — Meets the minimum quality standard, should be in-the-news by now. STSC (talk) 06:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't, and to the two shocked supporters above this is why it's not been posted yet. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * No Rush Support It's mid-July, it's early Sunday, this can wait. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:20, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support be we should really add 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis to the blurb as that is the main cause of all this.Abcmaxx (talk) 11:27, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That article is targeted as disputed, we should not bold it for sure. Tone 14:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support alternative blurb. Clearly a highly notable event with a lot of current reader interest (the main article about the protests already attracted over 20,000 pageviews on July 9 without being featured on the main page yet). Regards, HaeB (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support ALT0 as ALT1 is too long and 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis is orange-tagged (so shouldn't be a bold target). Events itself are definitely ITN worthy. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – This is still about events that haven't happened yet. Today's AP report says "Sri Lanka was in a political vacuum for a second day Monday with opposition leaders yet to agree on who should replace its roundly rejected leaders." The BBC and AlJazeera note that President Rajapaksa's whereabouts are unknown, and the BBC says that on Monday he notified PM Wickremesinghe's office that he will step down on Wednesday, as stated last week. That's two days away.  We just can't wait? WP:CRYSTAL – Sca (talk) 12:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * its a complicated situation, but the residences were stormed and the announcements happened, you can still adjust the blurb to what has occurred. Honesly that the residences were stormed is a pretty big story in itself disregarding everything else. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 14:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Big in Sri Lanka. But IMO lacks general significance or impact at this pt. Wait. -- Sca (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted Glad to see this got improved enough to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting comment – AlJazeera says Sri Lanka’s parliament will vote on July 20 to elect a new president to replace Rajapaksa. Meanwhile, AP reports that hundreds were using "the vast array of exercise machines in the private gym of the presidential palace." – Sca (talk) 19:30, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment There really needs to be more good NPOV editors looking at 2019–present Sri Lankan economic crisis.Thriley (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Quite probably, but that's not really an issue for this forum as that article isn't linked from the blurb. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 14:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Gotabaya Rajapaksa has resigned as President after fleeing to Singapore.Carter00000 (talk) 16:05, 14 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Can we tweak the blurb to reflect the latest developments? Gotabaya has resigned now. India Today. Wickremesinghe despite promising to resign, now act like a dictator. Imposed curfew, islandwide invocation of the state of emergency, giving power to the police and army to curb protest by any means. He has informed the speaker that he will resign only after the parliament elect a new president and a PM. So let's say "Wickremesinghe was appointed as the acting president"?-- <b style="color: SteelBlue;">Chanaka L</b> ( talk ) 18:20, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hugh Evans (basketball)

 * This wikibio is long enough to qualify (500+ words of prose), has footnotes at expected spots, with no obvious formatting issues. And Earwig did not find any problems. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Larry Storch

 * Oppose Regrettably. Article needs a lot of ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Multiple footnote-free paragraphs in the prose. Filmography section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(RD Posted) RD/Blurb: Luis Echeverría

 * Comment what a day! I'm adding new cn tags. Article far from ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality Article needs A LOT of ref work before debate can begin. I'll try fixing it, but might need some help. Once issues have been addressed, I can support a blurb. Support blurb Article in good state. He was president during a controversial period in Mexico, accused of war crimes and nearly charged for genocide. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Blurb, support RD - We don't blurb every head of state, and ought not to normalise that, that would turn ITN into an obituary wall.... If the blurb only reads «Former (insert political position) (insert politician name) dies at the age of (insert age).» the blurb isn't adding anything that a RD doesn't already do. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 03:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * No Blurb As 4 suggests, there's no story here beyond recency. And as both provided obits say, his presidency went mostly poorly. This idea that every head of state should be considered the Gretzky of their field is absurd, as is giving any BDP crime cred for "nearly" getting charged with something. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb standard third world autocrat, no notable achievements; killing dissidents in authoritarian countries is par for the course and lasting only 6 years is not much for an autocrat. Achieving 6% annual growth is also standard for a developing country. This is no S Korea etc with 12+ % growth Bumbubookworm (talk) 17:11, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD on quality I don't think he is one of the most remarkable president of Mexico. And although there are people who think that the intention here is to nominate all former heads of state or government, they are wrong. Mexico is not a minor country. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 07:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If "there are people" refers to me, "this idea" refers to 's hard-to-misinterpret declaration of intent: I will support blurbing the death of all former heads of state or heads of government. He wrote it in the context of a bigger fish in a smaller pond, but I'm reasonably sure he meant it should apply to the wider "here". I'll let him explain why he hasn't supported blurbing this death here yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I got it better. It will be interesting to see what he thinks in this cas, then. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If he's wrong, I won't be the one to tell him; my disgusted resignation from "this place" over the Spanish-Angolan affair is effective immediately. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Spanish-Angolan...what? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:22, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * RD Posted. Please feel free to continue discussion on blurbing. --PFHLai (talk) 09:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb Being a former head of state should not be a free pass to a blurb, which is for rare cases, and I don't see his six years in office as reaching a high enough bar to post.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:05, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting RD support: Death has finally decided to take in Echeverría, as the country's oldest living former head of state -Gouleg🛋️ harass/hound 13:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tony Sirico

 * Oppose Whatta ya hear? Whatta ya say? RIP. Filmography is not quite there yet but it's closer than most. Support Referencing issues are largely fixed now. Kafoxe (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - very notable, covered extensively by sources. Seahorseruler  (Talk Page) (Contribs) 07:44, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Very notable. No issues with the article.Prodrummer619 (talk) 08:29, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not Ready Some gaps in referencing especially in the tables. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Tables are now done.  GreatCaesarsGhost   17:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support Article looks good, although I do feel the lead can be beefed up a bit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Now adequate following improved referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:25, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Article is in good shape.--Tdl1060 (talk) 04:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:59, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Musk cancels Twitter purchase

 * Oppose it never happened. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Counterpoint: it wasn't wrong to post it at the time, because it was a story in the news with a decent quality article to showcase. The same is true now. Just because the company isn't changing hands (or may not be, since we don't know the outcome of the coming court battle) doesn't mean it's not newsworthy. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose In the end, nothing happened and I don't think it's necessary to give this matter so much thought. A millionaire doing millionaires' things. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 23:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I think this is just as newsworthy as the original announcement which we did post. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We're not a Musk ticker, and as The Rambling Man points out, it never happened. This is also evidence for why we shouldn't post company acquisitions until the acquisition actually happens. BilledMammal (talk) 00:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We probably should not have run the story initially. This is going to be a messy thing that may go on and on. Let's be more wary next time. Thriley (talk) 01:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose posting at the time was fine, the media was at fever pitch over it. The reaction this time is more muted, let it go. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose and honestly a perfect example why I feel like the shouldn't have run this in the first place, its better to post these kind of things when the deal closes. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 03:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support We've posted him purchasing it, we've oughtta post him cancelling it too now. 5.44.170.26 (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - it is the headline story now (just like the initial purchase). This is a followup, it should be posted. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  03:38, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Given that the deal did not happen. There is also a chance that this is a bargaining tactic and the status of the deal may change again. Carter00000 (talk) 05:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per TheRambilingMan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:681:25A0:0:0:0:9419 (talk) 06:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose The NYT says "Buyers have frequently used the threat of walking away to renegotiate a deal. At the height of the pandemic, LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton sued to back out of its acquisition of Tiffany & Company. The two parties later shaved about $420 million off the price."  So, as this may be similar haggling which still results in a purchase, we should let the process complete rather than jumping to conclusions.  Andrew🐉(talk) 06:57, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Rambling man, BilledMammal et al. Polyamorph (talk) 07:09, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support we shouldn't just be an Elon Musk ticker, but this story is in the news prominently, just like it was when we posted he was going to buy Twitter. Something this big not happening after being pretty sure it was going to happen is important news. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose because nothing changes and we should re-evaluate how we post announcements of proposed acquisitions in the future. Part of me feels like WP (along with the rest of the media) got baited into giving Musk some free PR. YD407OTZ (talk) 09:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the end of the matter. If he un-cancels, are we going to post that too? <span style="display:inline-block;padding:2px;transform:skewy(-16deg);color:#FFF;background:#FA0">49 <span style="display:inline-block;transform:skewy(16deg);color:#FA0">TL   11:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There's going to be a years long legal fight between the two sides; I can't imagine us having to post another blurb anytime soon. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose They said it was going to rain yesterday and it didn't. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Gregory Itzin

 * Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Multiple footnote-free paragraphs in the prose. Filmography section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lenny Von Dohlen

 * Only noting while he died on the 5th, sources are only reporting on it widely now, so this date seems proper. --M asem (t) 17:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support article looks good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 17:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:51, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

(Blurb posted) RD/Blurb: José Eduardo dos Santos

 * Comment I'm inclined to support the blurb for the reasons you state: the second longest president in Africa, ended a civil war that lasted almost 30 years and practically built a nation that became independent just a few years before taking office. But for now I don't think it meets the qualitative requirements: unsourced paragraphs and lines, and I think the section on his long tenure could be expanded much further. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed the issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * @TDKR Chicago 101 you did a great job! I haven't read it in depth, but if you have, do you think the content is sufficient? I'm not very convinced... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hold - I suggest holding it for now due to the recent Abe assassination. Even without the assassination, the article seems to be lead-heavy, without significant amount of content afterwards. Cheers, :PenangLion (talk) 15:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't hold items just because another item exists- that isn't ITN policy. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality needs more sources in the article. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed the article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb, Support RD when ready Needs a lot of sourcing, particularly the awards section. Nothing really blurb worthy, he died of old age. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 17:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support blurb This is a clear-cut case. He spent 38 years in office as a president of a country where the title unifies the head of state and head of government, ended a 26-year long civil war and implemented significant economic reforms.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If he really ended the war, his bio should say so. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb when ready A country's long-serving former leader, who led the country through a long war that received extensive international attention, who is clearly transformative enough in that country's history to blurb his death. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed the issues. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support blurb I've fixed the citations issues, article looks good now. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * not really, the lead is still mostly uncited. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 20:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Usually leads don't need to be cited if the info covered in the lead is mentioned throughout the article and then in turn that info is cited. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I did add citations to the cn tags you've added in the lead. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Blurb old man dies. The past head-of-whatever we've blurbed are mistakes lets not do that again --LaserLegs (talk) 20:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So when Jimmy Carter passes he shouldn't get a blurb because he's old? Wouldn't that same logic go to Elizabeth II? Just because they're old and its been years since they've left office, it doesn't diminish the impact/legacy they left in their respective countries. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No we should not blurb Carter, or Clinton, or Chrétien, or Harper, or Mulroney, or John Howard or Gordon Brown. We should not have blurbed Bush Sr. We should blurb Jr, (we should have blurbed Rumsfeld). When the time comes we should do BoJo. Elizabeth II will have a media circus that lasts for days which frankly is the guidelines we should be using for all the blurb considerations since the only difference between a blurb and RD is that blurbs kick some other story out of the box. Old man dies, is there something more that needs to be said? Some critical piece of information about his death like Shinzo Abe? And what the hell does Jimmy Carter have to do with anything Christ I picked three other countries whose former leaders I knew the name of (also no blurb for Gerhard Schröder making it four) but you went straight for an American president huh? --LaserLegs (talk) 21:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Elizabeth has been head of state for 70 years and is almost certain to die in the role, so I'm not why you're trying to apply that "logic" to her. Weird. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm afraid he would support it.... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh you can read my mind and predict the future? I was in the process of explaining the above when I EC because you were busy slandering me. Go ahead and apologize. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In fact that's WP:ABF to the point of being a WP:NPA vio so I'm just gonna take it over to WP:ANI --LaserLegs (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Uhm...okey. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Or just apologize for making assumptions about me and we can drop it and move on. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * the comment is not offensive, nor is it necessary to over exaggerate, intimidate or threaten. But as I will not give more thought to this trifle, my apologies. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Blurb exactly what RD is for. The passing of people notable enough to have their own article, but not so notable and transformational that we will have an article like Death of José Eduardo dos Santos. 2A02:908:675:8D00:8066:96F5:506E:12C4 (talk) 21:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * in fact he was "transforming" for Angola. But okay. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Theres no requirement for a separate "death of" for meeting a blurb. M asem (t) 23:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Obvious support blurb. He was a major transformative figure in both his own country and the region (including Congo wars and suchlike), and the sort of figure we routinely blurb. Looks like the quality issues are resolved too unless there's anything else? &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Blurbs for recent deaths, even major figures, are supposed to be rare and never routine. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb an aforementioned yank prez serves 8 years, and then user compares it to QEII who has served 70. This is no comparison. Seriously, SERIOUSLY get a GRIP.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What a terrible argument. The Queen has been Queen for 70 years simply because she happened to be born to someone who was royalty. George W. Bush, in contrast, was elected to his position, twice. But that doesn't matter, all former heads of states who pass away should be blurbed, in my opinion. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  03:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If we did that, we would be blurbing them on a weekly basis.... ITN/RD guidelines specifically state that if a person is more known for what they did in life then it's better to put it as a RD link. Also news of his death is pretty burried in today's headlines with everything else going on. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 04:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support blurb -- I will support blurbing the death of all former heads of state or heads of government. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  03:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Longtime leader during a transformative period for both his country and Africa as a whole. The Kip (talk) 07:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No Blurb An old unpopular man known for staying low-key while his people suffer dies privately of nothing in particular in a fancy foreign hospital and that supplants a filmed assassination with a bizarre newfangled weapon for still unfolding reasons because they were both nominal national leaders? If so, I resign in disgust. If not, we part amicably! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * this is exactly how the ITN doesn't work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Judging from your opening comment, misattributing three farfetched statements to the nominator, I doubt you understand my reasons, either. But whatever. You lean your way and I'll stand by mine. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:05, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * when I talk about what the nominator says I clearly mean "longest serving president of an African country" ("second longest serving president in Africa"), but okay. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * By calling that one factual description "reasons", then adding two of your own assumptions after a colon, you sure had me fooled. Oh well. Shame on me! InedibleHulk (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality The article does not explain what impact he has. It has one short paragraph about economy and once sentence that he allowed foreign investment. Otherwise it is just a bunch of stuff about not having elections and corruption. Not sure how he is transformative then unless he we are considering him as a successful looter. There is basically nothing on his policies Bumbubookworm (talk) 09:20, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * this is kinda how I feel too... Being a corrupt long term dictator doesn't sound sound particularly transformative. He ain't no Nelson Mandela for his country. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 09:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We don’t post blurbs only for democratic leaders. Mugabe got one for spending 30 years as an authoritarian president of Zimbabwe. So, why should a former president of Angola, a country comparable in size to Zimbabwe with a much larger economy, who spent more years in office and ended a civil war not get one? I sincerely hope the reason isn’t an English-centric bias because Zimbabwe is an English-speaking country and a former British colony.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:41, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the only reasons we post blurbs for people whose death itself is not a media event are peer pressure, show of respect or acknowledgment of the reported best in a business. Honoring Mugabe was disgusting. This doesn't have to be. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:51, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no bias at least I don't want there to be one. But we also didn't blurb leaders like Leonid Kravchuk or Stanislav Shushkevich who led their countries independence as well precisely because they didn't do much as leader themselves aside from lead independence. Mugabe pushed through a lot of economic reforms in his country (among other controversial policies) that he is well famous for. If we go by the same standard, what did this guy do other than make peace with some rebels, cling on to power, and syphon money from his country? 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 10:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This guy implemented more important economic reforms than Mugabe, which made Angola one of the leading oil-producing countries in Africa and secured long-term economic development through a free-market liberal economy, and this is well documented in the article. Have you read the article at all?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * He did not make peace with any rebels. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:00, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * To be fair Stanislav Shushkevich's article was not in good quality (ref work) to even be posted. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:56, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb Our criteria says major figures are blurbed in rare cases. This for me is not one of those. In general I do not support blurbs of "life as the main story" world leaders as RD is sufficient. Of course a dictator who clung onto power for a long time did a lot of things to the country, but it is not blurb-worthy in my opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * RD posted No consensus for blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 13:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting blurb support now that the article meets the basic quality requirements. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Could you please explain how there's no consensus for a blurb here? Most of the oppose votes come from people who have apparently not read the article to get familiar with the person's legacy and use ill-founded arguments that the person was authoritarian and corrupt (not to mention that the opposition is a clear minority per WP:NOTVOTE). You may want to re-consider your decision. Thanks.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:42, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really helpful to make sweeping statements about those who did not agree with you. 2A02:908:675:8D00:40B2:2704:9CF8:457A (talk) 14:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. In assessing the !votes, it's not my place to interpret the article or research his legacy.  I'm not !voting, I'm determining consensus of the !voters, and they don't seem to be nefarious to compel me to !vote myself. ITN discussions are a bit more wide open than say XfDs, where consensus is weighed against existing guidelines.  WP:ITN itself says:  While there was a narrow majority to post a blurb, it was not strong enough for me to post the blurb. Regards—Bagumba (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If it's not your place to interpret the article or research his legacy, you won't be able to evaluate the arguments made in the discussion, so it's better to refrain from making decisions based on superficial examination of the matter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be telling me to WP:SUPERVOTE or otherwise to excuse myself. No. But the discussion has not been capped, and another admin might have a different opinion. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting comment – RD appropriate, but the subject doesn't seem quite 'transformative' despite his lengthy (and controversial) career. – Sca (talk) 14:17, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb - Frankly, I'm a bit surprised that the tired refrain of "old man dies" was sufficient to tip the balance away from posting a blurb, given the immense legacy of this particular world leader.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  14:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb honestly, if we're posting a blurb for a death, the news at least has to be talking about the person that died. I have seen no coverage of Santos' death on any news websites, so the only criteria is whether their life was transformative enough for a blurb, which I don't think this qualifies for. AryKun (talk) 15:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You've apparently missed this excellent obituary published by the BBC in which you can find exactly what you state that you've not seen.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:26, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * (CNN) (Reuters) (Time) (Washington Post) (Bloomberg) (The New York Times) (BBC) You're welcome. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:33, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And none of those are front page news, or anywhere close to front page news, which is what I would expect for a death blurb. Obviously they cover the fact that he died, that's their job. But they clearly do not think BBC has an obituary for Tony Sirico more prominently featured than Santos'. Reuters puts both Sirico and Luis Echeverria ahead of Santos. A death blurb is not a some way to gauge how much an impact someone had while living, that's what RD is for. ITN blurbs is only for deaths that are actually in the news, like Shinzo Abe's is. AryKun (talk) 16:35, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This isn't a discussion to determine whether Santos was more notable than Sirico or Echeverria. Those two should be discussed separately from this one.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement for death blurbs to be front page news (or for any news topic). M asem (t) 17:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb He wasn't just HoS for a long time; he lead his country for most of its history. The changes in Angola were massive in this time, and he was a key party to all of them. The burden of proof here is clearly on the opposition, and they do not appear to be presenting any argument at all.  GreatCaesarsGhost   17:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. The norm is to put a recent death in the RD section, which is what I think should happen here. The burden is on supporters to say why we should make an exception here. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:50, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If someone is transformative, then the article should clearly elucidate what their impact was, or what their technical innovations were etc. If there is no clear argument in the article then either subject is not transformative, or the article does not cover the key points. No clear elucidation of his impact is given at all Bumbubookworm (talk) 11:09, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's inconceivable someone could have read this article and come away with that impression that he was not transformative.  GreatCaesarsGhost   17:35, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb per Great Caesar's Ghost. He was president for nearly all of the country's independent history, going from the Cold War to economic liberalisation, and was also notable for intervention in Zaire/DRC. Debates on which of the lesser UK/US/Canada etc leaders deserve blurbs can wait for another day. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:03, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb&mdash;The most significant political figure in Angolan history, for better or for worse. Angola is a large nation straddling the southern and central regions of the African continent, with a population of around 33 million people. I feel that Dos Santos easily merits a blurb. Kurtis (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb He was the country's president for nearly 40 consecutive years. There's no shot that we'd be debating blurbing a head of state or government who served that long in a more well-known country. For what it's worth, it seems that the supports here vastly outweigh the opposes, but it is still a bit disappointing to see all the dismissive and unconstructive comments along the lines of "just an old man who died" <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 22:48, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, that is the hook of the blurb. No cause, no consequences, no celebrated deeds or term length. Purely his age. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Then maybe we need to find a different blurb that doesn't just read "old man dies"? If we are going to death blurb someone, I feel like the blurb at least needs to explain what about the death was significant. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 03:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Add something like "President of Angola from 1979 to 2017 and MPLA leader during the Angolan Civil War" to the blurb? This extra clause at least brings up both his long rule and the main event that incurred his transformativeness. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:07, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Tried writing an altblurb myself. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:14, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It explains nothing about why his recent death matters, but says more about his life, so kudos. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to post this blurb already? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Blurb posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wording suggestion, I’d change “Angola’s former President” to “Former President of Angola.” The Kip (talk) 11:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "President" would not be capitalized per MOS:JOBTITLES. As readers have a general idea of what a president is, it might be a case of MOS:OVERLINK for the blurb (as well as MOS:SEAOFBLUE, though dos Santos' link would be contrasted in bold). —Bagumba (talk) 11:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Shinzo Abe Assassination

 * Wait, what? Is there an update in a wiki article yet? I didn't see one. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I know I was shocked too, but a quick google search does confirm this. He also collapsed too! TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good, plus an assassination attempt on an ex-G7 leader and one of Japan's longest serving PMs is pretty blurbworthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait It has been twenty minutes since this happened. Information is going to be changing constantly. Good lord. Mlb96 (talk) 03:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until his condition is determined and announced; if the worst comes to the worst, then, pre-emptive support. Sceptre (talk) 03:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait for now should be obvious. Sources are still hedging about what happened exactly. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait: The situation is rapidly changing, so it is unclear if this is an attempted or successful assassination. One that is cleared up, it needs to be given a blurb. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 03:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - A separate article (Shooting of Shinzo Abe) has been created and will be worked on over the next few hours.  Sounder Bruce  03:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait News broke less than half an hour ago. Too much information not available yet. AkiraRorschach (talk) 03:22, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The update's insufficient at four short sentences. Shooting of Shinzo Abe is even worse at two. —Cryptic 03:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait for now, the news is still breaking and the article is under development. Absolutely shocking though, I'm inclined to support posting on notability (regardless of his outcome) once we have a quality article about it. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 03:28, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I support on notability too, but we need to sit tight for now and wait for a proper update. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strongest possible support when quality is ready irrespective of PM Abe's outcome Bumbubookworm (talk) 03:32, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait Need more confirmation on his ultimate condition, but it should absolutely be posted when that clarification comes. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 03:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support: Big event. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 03:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support An attack on a world leader is notable, breaking news and imminently important for coverage. Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 03:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Be prepared to change the blurb, as a few Japanese news agencies are stating that he has not vital signs or that he is possibly dead. The BBC and the Agence France-Presse have also questioned if he is still alive. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 03:44, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support on the assumption that the article is expanded and we know more about Abe's condition. Gust Justice (talk) 03:43, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support in principle but wait until more details arrive; the attempt article is a stub right now, and given they have the suspected shooter in custody, its expected that we should know more soon. --M asem (t) 03:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait but this is almost certainly going to become a support once we have some more details and especially if he dies. This is really quite shocking. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:06, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, but Wait even if he survives this is massive news. By the looks of it, the hook will have to change, unfortunately. Juxlos (talk) 04:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as is as this is fairly big news in and of itself, whether Abe dies or not. He is a former PM and was wounded by an attempted assassin. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Updated blurb to reflect that he has died.🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 04:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * that tweet is a fake BBC impersonation Twitter account. Juxlos (talk) 04:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Its a fake account and not confirmed yet. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * yeah its early, jumped the gun a bit...🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 04:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "prime minister" should be lowercase, I believe. Loqiical (talk) 04:26, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the assassination of a former G7 leader is unprecedented. Article on him is good; doesn't need more than a line about the shooting. Nfitz (talk) 04:27, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I support posting this soon seeing how Abe being shot alone is blurbworthy. The blurb can be updated should anything develop such as (hopefully not) it becoming an assassination. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:35, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- even if he survives, an attempted assassination of a former head of government surely merits a blurb. This is horrible. -- Rockstone Send me a message!  04:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. We can fix the blurb later if he dies, but that he's been shot is enough to post. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak support - Very recent, but can be updated. C LYDE (TALK) @PING ME! 05:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support yeah irrespective of outcome this should be there. Very unusual event etc. DemonDays64 (talk•contribs) 05:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support As an assassination attempt on a very influential politician I think this certainly qualifies as world news. Duonaut(talk &#124; contribs) 05:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support alt blurb - An assassination attempt on a globally known politician, successful or not, is major world news. PolarManne (talk) 05:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong support - i am absolutely stunned by this. I remember when the Osaka mayor was shot and thought that was impossible, now this. In Nara-ken no less.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 05:33, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you mean the Nagasaki mayor? Afaik, an Osaka mayor hasn't been shot. Curbon7 (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I did indeed! That while I lived there 15 years ago and the Sasebo slashing when I was on homestay in Higashi-Osaka.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, but wait given that the survival rate for cardiopulmonary arrest is less than 10%, there's a significant chance the ITN blurb will need to be reworded soon, unfortunately. -- benlisquare T•C•E 05:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted -- KTC (talk) 05:39, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support This is so sad and I pray he recovers. All my love to Japan. -TenorTwelve (talk) 05:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support Shooting is already notable and horrific. Clearly warrants a death blurb if it comes to it. Abe is a globally well-known politician, this will irreparably change politics in Japan. (Also, he is not only a former long-serving prime minister but also still a current member of the legislature.) Davey2116 (talk) 06:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Update Japanese news is now reporting that Abe has died. The blurb should be altered to reflect this. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 08:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: According to NHK, he has died. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 08:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * BBC live ticker is reporting his death too (0951 UK time). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is ABC News saying much the same.Tlhslobus (talk) 09:01, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment has updated the blurb. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post posting support Absolutely horrific. Article is good, subject is notable, end of story. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Post-Posting proposed (non-error) blurb change(s)

 * Suggested blurb change: Change 'a speech' to 'an election speech'(and perhaps wikilink 'election' to the Japanese election article, next Sunday's 2022 Japanese House of Councillors election). The point is that an attack on an election speech is an especially strong attack on the fundamentals of Japanese democracy, as the current PM has said, and indeed on every country's democracy. Tlhslobus (talk) 09:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Please see the discussion at WP:ERRORS and make any suggestions there. Thanks. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 09:20, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry,there is currently no discussion about this at WP:ERRORS (nor should there be,as it's not an error, so the discussion belongs here). But on second thoughts,maybe for accuracy that should be (the unfortunately longer) 'a speech during the elections', per PM Kishida's words: ""This attack is an act of brutality that happened during the elections - the very foundation of our democracy - and is absolutely unforgivable." (found here).Tlhslobus (talk) 09:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The relevant election is next Sunday's 2022 Japanese House of Councillors election; he was speaking in support of the re-election of a local member of the Upper House, Councillor Kei Satō. So "an  election speech" seems correct (and once again here seems the appropriate forum,as the omission is not an error). Tlhslobus (talk) 09:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The proposed change would also give our readers useful context.Tlhslobus (talk) 09:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is understandable that WP:ERRORS has been recommended as a forum for this, as the proposed change has very little visibility here, and would have more visibility there (but would always be at risk of deletion there as 'not an error', as I have experienced in the past). We probably really need a separate section for Requested non-error blurb changes, but this is not the right forum for that discussion. On the other hand visibility here can probably be improved by moving this into a new subsection, which I will now do. Tlhslobus (talk) 10:08, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Done.Tlhslobus (talk) 10:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ERRORS is typically used for even non-error-type fixes to blurbs. As long you aren't requesting a completely different blurb, then there is fine. --M asem (t) 11:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the nuance of "speech" vs. "election speech" isn't readily transferred in a blurb, and needs the details to be in the body of the article, where there currently isn't much either. For reference, in headlines that refer to the speech, The New York Times has "Live Updates: Shinzo Abe, 67, Dies After Being Shot During Speech" and BBC has "Japan's ex-leader Shinzo Abe assassinated while giving speech".—Bagumba (talk) 11:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Post-posting support – Good work on another story that overwhelmingly dominates the news.      – Sca (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rod Zaine

 * Weak oppose There's a significant gap between him retiring from the Cougars and moving into a retirement home, other than a vague reference to co-owning the team. Is there any more that can be said? Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:46, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks, I'll support now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Please verify and confirm stats table for the 1962–63 season. The data in the table do not seem to be supported by either of the sources as footnoted at the end of the stats table. Nor is this season mentioned in the prose of this wikibio. Perhaps that row should not be there? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 06:09, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * removed the 1962–63 row. —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That was easy.... And I thought he might be on roster but did not play... Never mind. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Elder

 * This wikibio is long enough to qualify (500+ words of prose), with footnotes at expected spots, and no concerns with it formatting, and Earwig found no problems. This is READY for RD. While he was "the oldest living former major league baseball player", the point about "One of four remaining living players for the St. Louis Browns" is not in the wikibio. Need to add a new sentence with a new footnote maybe? --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Done. The statement was also found in the St. Louis Browns article, but to be sure I added it into the wikibio. Marking as ready. Cheers. Wime  Pocy  14:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding. I have moved that out of the intro and added it to the main prose with a footnote. --PFHLai (talk) 22:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Norasharee Gous

 * Oppose Some ref work is needed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose article is at AFD, we cannot post it until the AFD is concluded. And likely by that time, it will be stale (over 7 days old). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Kalwant Singh

 * Weak oppose Some minor ref work is needed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose article is at AFD, we cannot post it until the AFD is concluded. And likely by that time, it will be stale (over 7 days old). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Van Pelt

 * Support - It's ready.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  16:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Australian floods

 * Oppose is not a disaster worthy of ITNR, as recent floods in other countries have been much worse. These have resulted in one death and not because it affected Australia it has more notability. No blurb has been specified, by the way. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Slight oppose - third in a year following the Brisbane floods, too. Not ITN worthy. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 12:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not major news given that flooding is common there and minimal casualities. --M asem (t) 12:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Given the common nature of floods around the world and the lack of notability for this case compared to other floods. Carter00000 (talk) 12:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, This flood for that area is not notable for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 15:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose looking at Floods in Australia, there's been a number of notable floods in Australia in the last few years, all significantly more damaging than this one. This one doesn't have significant, ITN-worthy coverage. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * After one full day and all opposed, still it is not speedy closed? --LaserLegs (talk) 09:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Boris Johnson resigns

 * Oppose for now neither this is official/formal nor he is resigning as PM until autumn (this is what’s ITNR). We need to do as we have always done here: wait for the new PM to be appointed and mention in the blurb that his/her predecessor resigned due to a scandal. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The claim that that's what "we have always done here" is clearly false, as shown below.
 * A main purpose of ITN is "to help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news", meaning that the timing should be determined by coverage in (reliable) news sources - not by when individual Wikipedia editors' tastes for ceremonial formality are fully satisfied. Regards, HaeB (talk) 10:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment. He is not resigning as PM, only as party leader, he will remain PM until a party leadership contest can be held to choose a new PM. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until he actually leaves and is replaced, as that's the actual WP:ITNR event. This is what we did when Imran Khan was deposed as Pakistan PM, and what we should do here too, especially as he won't stop being PM for a while. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Wait  this is the same as the 2022 United Kingdom government crisis nomination below. He's resigned but not actually going anywhere. Wait until he actually goes. Polyamorph (talk) 08:57, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Conditional support altblurb pending the official announcement, on the basis of previous precedent. Polyamorph (talk) 10:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that we posted both Theresa May's resignation announcement (May 2019) and Boris's swearing in (July 2019). We also posted David Cameron's resignation announcement in 2016 but that was merged with the Brexit blurb. I'll weak support based on this precedent as this is making headlines internationally. Davey2116 (talk) 09:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But they resigned as prime minister. BJ hasn't. Polyamorph (talk) 09:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the links? May also had not yet resigned as PM, she remained in office for two more months after her announcement was featured in ITN. Regards, HaeB (talk) 10:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I did look at the links but didn't realise it was 2 months (I know it was given in the link text so should have realised). Ok please disregard! Polyamorph (talk) 10:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until he formally announces it. I view this as an edge case. Typically we only post items whenever a leader is elected or takes office, not merely whenever someone announces their resignation. As @Davey2116 also points out, whether or not to post this would depend on the extent of coverage in reliable sources. Gust Justice (talk) 09:23, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Conditional support once we get an official announcement. We don't need to wait for the endless Tory leadership contest to drag out to post this, it's in the news everywhere now. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * btw, 2022 United Kingdom government crisis could also be linked in a blurb on this. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 09:41, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until formal succession occurs. The Kip (talk) 09:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Changing to support on formal announcement as per below. The Kip (talk) 09:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Conditional support once we get an official announcement, no formal resignation has yet been made. It's already global news, we posted Theresa May's resignation and Boris Johnson's succession as separate news stories a few months apart. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support the newly added more precise altblurb version. The announcement is amply supported by reliable sources. Regards, HaeB (talk) 10:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. BBC, NY Times and other sources report that Johnson will only resign as the Conservative party leader, but will remain the Prime Minister at least until the Fall. A party leadership change is not ITNR. Nsk92 (talk) 10:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Altblurb Alt2 is better. But no idea how he will now construct a cabinet. Probably best nipping down to B&Q. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I hear a politician named Allen Key will be heavily involved. Hope they do a good job constructing the cabinet, lest it collapse without warning in a few months. Davey2116 (talk) 10:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They'd be wise to adopt the Swedish model: "A child of 6 could assemble"... ah, maybe not. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Any way you look at it he loses. -- Sca (talk) 12:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Good old Billy. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - I think both his resignation and the subsequent installation of a replacement are newsworthy, and as per the T. May precedent it's fine to post both. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now What a silly nomination. Just wait until it actually happens. HiLo48 (talk) 10:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait until it actually happens. At present all we have are a bunch of 'expected to announce his resignation' reports based on anonymous sources. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, support posting now he's actually announced he's going. But the blurb should make it clear he's resigning once a successor has been chosen, not now - I added alt2. The article also needs to be up to scratch. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per Davey2116. Also, by the end of his time as Prime Minister, it won't be news, it'll be a pre-scheduled event. --  Zanimum (talk) 10:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose wait for his replacement as PM the changeover is noteworthy. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support HaeB is right, this is in the news now, post it now. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support poor old Boris is scheduled to announce it at 12:30 UK time. Cripes!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Bye, bye, Boris! Grimes2 (talk) 11:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support now that he has resigned. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 11:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support: waiting until the new leader would just be incredibly silly. Sceptre (talk) 11:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Now I Support this It was still a really stupid nomination. ITN/C needs to stop this sort of nonsense. HiLo48 (talk) 11:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We're all agreed we'll post the news of a new prime minister, so pointless having two blurbs on the same subject. Just wait until the new leader comes to office. Gopchunk (talk) 11:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose As of right now he has only resigned the party leadership, not his prime ministership (at least not initially), can post once a new prime minister is chosen, and it would qualify under ITN/R criteria. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 12:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per Amakuru. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Richard Nixon announcing his resignation would have rocketed onto ITN within seconds of his televised address, if ITN existed back in the 1970s. --🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  12:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That'd be because Gerald Ford would have immediately become POTUS, . In this case we are yet to see the successor. Tube·of·Light 14:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Question for those that know UK politics - how long can it be anticipated that the successor will be named? A few days? Weeks or months? If the later, then this clearly should be posted now along with the replacement, but if we can expect a new name in a few days, wait until then. (The article quality is good so that's not an issue). --M asem (t) 12:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Probably 3-6 weeks while the Conservatives hold their leadership contest. Johnson might go faster if he's forced to leave now and an interim takes over, but again that would just be while the leadership contest continues. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep, I'd say about 3-6 weeks too. This has more info, but nothing about the actual timescales. I guess it depends on how many step forward for nomination. Or indeed, how many step back leaving just one person standing forward...  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 13:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * His aides were briefing this morning that he would like to stay until October. That seems unrealistic though. Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose resignation by itself should not be mentioned unless extraordinary circumstances surrounded it (assassination, coup-d'etat, Watergate-like cockups etc.). I think the ITN blurb should only be posted once the new leader emerges. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose wait for his replacement he is still Prime Minister . We not need twice UK news on Wikipedia.Shadow4dark (talk) 12:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why not? 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  12:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * He is still Prime Minister and there is no successor for now. And after 4 weeks we will post the same story Shadow4dark (talk) 12:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that's a very small price to pay for ITN capturing what is obviously a very newsworthy story at the absolute pinnacle of its importance to the U.K. and to the rest of the world, much the same way we post U.S. business deals/mergers/acquisitions as they are announced and not after all the SEC paperwork is filled out and completed. We would look damn foolish still having a headline up about a national hockey championship that happened three weeks ago, when the rest of the world has already moved on to bigger fish. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  12:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not national, it's the world's biggest event in club ice hockey and the championship of the world's strongest league and the Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Winnepeg. Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal teams are all Canadian. Perhaps Niagara Falls, Canada and Windsor, Canada support Buffalo and Detroit respectively. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In any case, the point is that we should be posting items that are in the news now, for the sake of avoiding the appearance of stagnation and complacency on a publicly visible section of the main page. 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  13:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, 3 weeks is very long. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support – Overwhelmingly the No. 1 story worldwide, per additional source links posted above. (Example: The main page of Reuters features two BoJo articles with large pics.) Details regarding how long he may remain as caretaker PM seem decidedly secondary. – Sca (talk) 12:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Obviously Alt1. -- Sca (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Conditional support Yeah this should be posted when it's in the news, that's when it's the most useful. There really is no point otherwise.
 * Avast rumali (talk) 12:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per Sca, and support altblurb2. Jusdafax (talk) 12:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Resignation announcement is significant itself. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥ ) 12:56, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Resignations in ITN: United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron announces his resignation after the United Kingdom votes to leave the European Union. British Prime Minister Theresa May, under pressure over her handling of Brexit, announces her intention to resign. Grimes2 (talk) 13:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Unconditional support This is literally all over the place in the news and one of the more significant developments of Johnson's time as prime minister. "wait for the replacement" is just needless bureaucratic delay. I'll note that May's resignation was posted - and that one happened far less dramatically than this one. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - when a new PM is installed then as a new government head sure, but right now this is local politics. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 13:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: in the past, we haven’t waited until January 6th to declare a US presidential election for one candidate or another; we’ve done it as soon as it was called (last year’s insurrection notwithstanding). Sceptre (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You're not the first to make the comparison. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Did I miss an election here? Or even an announcement of a new PM? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 13:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And did I miss the discussion where we decided that highly significant developments that are in the news no longer get featured on this page? &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I dont see how this is a highly significant development outside of the UK. But the argument I was responding to was we announced electoral victories when they happen, and that is not the case here. But as ever, ITN continues as one last English colony. Some minor country has, yet again, seen a PM not finish their term. Rush to ITN commence. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 15:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Casting the UK as a “minor country” is perhaps wishful thinking when squared up against the fact the UK remains a nuclear power with a permanent Security Council seat, and one of the world’s largest economies. This news item is the largest, or second-largest, item of the websites of a whole bunch of newspapers of record. Also, casting ITN as a English colony is pretty a cute line, but fails against the reality that a collegiate basketball tournament in America is on ITNR but a major international tournament in the world’s most popular sport isn’t. Sceptre (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Being a Free Mason used to be indicative of some importance too. This aint 1948 anymore and the UNSC permanent seats system in which the victors of WWII now and forever have a veto right over international peace and security is sillier than how the arguments about "This news item is the largest, or second-largest, item of the websites of a whole bunch of newspapers of record" applies to any number of events but are routinely shot down here because oh it happened in the US. As far as economies, the UK is responsible for about 2% of world GDP. The GDP of a single American city compares. So yeah, minor. And almost routine, given this is what the third straight PM to resign? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 18:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep, pretty sure Cameron, May and Johnson are all straight. Just varying numbers of kids. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. May never known to be a Freemason.
 * There is a moralistic fallacy in what you’re saying, though; just because you may wish the UK was seen as a "minor country" doesn’t mean that it is. Despite Johnson and co's attempts to the contrary, the UK still does have some relevancy (although, I grant you, the days of being a superpower died in the Suez 70 years ago). It's not for us to say something isn’t significant when it very clearly is. Sceptre (talk) 18:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC) By the way,, May can’t have been a Freemason; she’s a woman.
 * Is she? Oh damn. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's kind of funny that Sceptre used basically the same argument I did before I deleted my post with a "Never mind". 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  19:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm an American and am the one who proposed this blurb, as it is ITN (and I happened to be awake when his resignation was announced). I don't see this as any different than if the President of the United States announced his resignation. We'd blurb that too. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  19:14, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support alternative blurb it’s succinct. Trillfendi (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support alternative blurb, reflects a major UK news story that has received international coverage. The alternative blurb gives the most accurate and concise summary of these significant events that have been built up to for some time. SoThisIsPeter (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as it's in the news now. Don't see any reason to wait until the new PM, which will be several weeks away at least.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - important global news, significant in itself; "local politics" or "wait until new PM" arguments just seem silly here; this is a dramatic development (big Cabinet revolt) in a P5 member state. Neutralitytalk 14:17, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Per precedent (Theresa May) and the fact that this story is front page news globally (and will be far bigger news that his successor being appointed). Most of the Oppose comments are quite weak, but without banging the US-centric drum again I think it's fairly obvious that, say, a US President resigning after a third of his government resigned en masse would be posted in around five minutes. Black Kite (talk) 14:27, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posting. I am not sure if the alt is better but the headlines say "Johnson resigns", so that's the story. --Tone 14:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting question So from now on, the argument that "there is a precedent" is already valid? Recall that this argument was rejected in multiple previous nominations. Or is it only so when it is arbitrarily decided? This is a serious question. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, but when people are saying things along the line of "ITN posts it when a successor is appointed", it's reasonable to point out that isn't always the case. Black Kite (talk) 17:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What we need to do is, for future nominations, agree on whether using the "there is a precedent" argument can be sufficient for a nomination, as it is in this case, to prosper and not be used in reverse to reject votes. And I speak, for example, this discussion.  _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There's a reason why precedence is such a prominent feature of common-law courts: it's a great way of ensuring fairness in similar cases. ITN really should adopt something like it for that exact reason. I'd go so far as to say that it'd be useful in adjudicating all disputes at Wikipedia. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  21:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe precedence is a bad concept (and live in a civil law country), why should we be bound to previous decisions that may have been wrong? Especially for ITN, there are no fixed laws, it soley depends on the prevailing opinion in the people that chose to involve themselves at that time point. Chaosquo (talk) 06:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Post-posting suggestion: [[File:Prime_Minister_Boris_Johnson's_statement_in_Downing_Street_7_July_2022_(cropped).png|thumb|Can we use this image instead?]]— Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 17:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that would be better. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think so too. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we have one of him holding a microphone, a'la Fernando Lugo? 🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  19:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In his case, a bull-horn might be more appropriate. -- Sca (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * (NYT hed: "Boris Johnson’s Lies Worked for Years, Until They Didn’t") – Sca (talk) 13:05, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Post-posting Support Given my previous opposition on posting various aspects of this crisis, this is definitely the point that such a posting is appropriate. Presumably there will another ITN when the new Prime Minister is chosen. Nfitz (talk) 08:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Georgia Guidestones

 * Oppose a local artwork/monument has been intentionally blown up, that's not ITN worthy material. If the actual Stonehenge had been destroyed, that would be ITN worthy, but this is not. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- as per Joseph. This is not ITN material... but probably would fit perfectly in DYK. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  08:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose supporting this nomination would be a clear US-bias. Neither is it a world-renowned and popular monument, nor is this event of outstanding national and international interest and coverage. Suggest snow close. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Did you know... that the furry days are over when I'm governor? Davey2116 (talk) 09:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Joseph. A bunch of granite slabs installed by some unknown freak are blown up by another unknown freak. Breaking news, really~ Arado Ar 196 (C✙T) 11:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tricia (elephant)

 * Support article is good enough for RD, and animals are eligible for RD if they have their own article (which is the case here). I think we should probably list on the front page as Tricia (elephant), to avoid confusion with Trisha of Trisha Goddard (TV series) (formerly just known as "Trisha"). That's the first person I would think of if I saw Tricia listed on RD. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And to avoid confusion with Tricia Nixon. -- Sca (talk) 14:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I see no quality issues with this article, so I see this as good to go. Captain  Galaxy  19:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Nice article, can see no problems. Yakikaki (talk) 20:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I just found out about her, but I already love her. RIP sweet elephant. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 21:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * post-posting comment: it is a bit eerie that this is the second time this year that a notable animal was posted to rd around the time a former japanese prime minister died. dying (talk) 10:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: P. Gopinathan Nair

 * Comment There are several sentences that aren't cited or properly cited, particularly in Biography section. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:29, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello there. Thanks for this note. Can you add or other tags as necessary where citations are missing? Like I said, I have been busy and have not had a chance to work this article but the article looked reasonable on a superficial glance. Ktin (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Deployment of footnotes seems reasonable to me. Length (800+ words) is okay, too. No formatting problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Proper citations and career coverage. Joofjoof (talk) 09:49, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ira Valentine

 * Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(RD posted) RD/Blurb: James Caan

 * Weak oppose Filmography section unsourced and the 2000s and 2010s section of his career have some tags/need ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC) Support Article looks good for RD posting, would not be opposed to blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * , should be all set now, only a minor point or two perhaps that should not hold up posting. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Obviously. Celebrated actor, illustrious career, from Sonny Corleone and before through The Gambler (1974 film), Funny Lady to and starring appearances in multiple famous films and television work. Legendary actor. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Being a well-known actor with many notable roles is not in itself enough for a blurb. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:31, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But six-decade career in films and television and working with top directors is a good indicator. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * C'mon. This is borderline disruptive.  GreatCaesarsGhost   20:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Legendary actor, see how he is described. Many tributes and many publications across media. I do not quite see what is borderline disruptive, especially since there are no other RDs submitted for blurbs currently and there haven't been for some time. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD Filmog is done, no other issues jumping out.  GreatCaesarsGhost   20:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No Blurb Patrick Watson, Hank Goldberg and Pedro Ferrándiz were also recently called legends who worked with top colleagues for decades, to name just a few. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know who they are, sorry. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think a better comparison would be Ray Liotta, another recently deceased actor who was highly accredited and renowned, but didn't quite meet the high threshold to which we hold the death of public figures as being blurb-worthy. Kurtis (talk) 00:08, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pedro Ferrándiz - 7 wiki articles, Patrick Watson - 4 wiki articles, Hank Goldberg - 2 wiki articles. You can imagine how many wiki articles has Caan. Completely different levels of notability. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a new way of appraising a life or death. New to me, anyway. Thanks for checking! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD. Sourcing is all sewn up now. I unfourtunately don't think he's significant enough a figure for a blurb, though he was a great actor. ‡ El cid, el campeador  talk  20:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb: excellent actor but I don't think he was transformative enough. He didn't win any major awards if I recall correctly.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 20:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb does not stand out among other top tier actors Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Please read this . Kirill C1 (talk) 21:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb Numerous film appearance does not equate to being a top of their field person. There's nothing in the article related to his legacy, and it doesn't even look like he won any awards. Rd is sufficient once the article is better sourced. --M asem (t) 21:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD Notable actor with a distinguished career.--TheDutchViewer (talk) 00:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support RD But should get a blurb for Elf alone ;-) CoatCheck (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * RD posted Unlikely to be consensus for blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 04:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * After post comment, I have removed two citations at "personal life" section (not verified and non-RS), leaving two cn tags there. Alexcalamaro (talk) 21:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kazuki Takahashi

 * Mostly support - Agree that a couple parts of the career section could use citations but other than that looks good to me. Someone's gone through and thoroughly cited it, changing to support. PolarManne (talk) 15:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 17:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - article looks good to me. Pladica (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support This article is ready barring a citation needed in "Personal life" section, which should be fixed first before posting this to ITN. Behind that, it was absolutely shocking to see Takahashi and Abe dying in the same day. MarioJump83 (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I added a citation for that statement. Should be all cited now. Link20XX (talk) 03:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Now that the last citation needed tag is taken care of, this looks good to go. Doc StrangeMailbox Logbook 20:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:58, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bryan Marchment

 * Support Enough. Grimes2 (talk) 06:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post posting support per article quality, although I do wish that there had been a bit more consensus to post before just going for it. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, was I too quick? Please be encouraged to scroll up and down ITN/C. There are quite a number of (unattended) noms scattered along this page that could use some reviews, suggestions and support votes. Thanks. -- PFHLai (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) 2022 United Kingdom government crisis

 * Oppose at this time as there is really no change to the main control of the government yet, but it is a situation to watch. --M asem (t) 20:25, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not until a new prime minister is announced. Haris920 (talk) 20:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: Probably best to wait until something more significant happens i.e. The PM resigns/is ousted. Furthermore, consider removing the section in the blurb about the Pincher scandal, although some resignations are probably related to this, it is probably a clumination of this plus Partygate and the Second Jobs scandal TRAVBRUHH (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If only Boris had a second job lined up. I hear the Carlton Club is looking for a door supervisor. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Prime Minister Johnson doing something unforgivable, apologizing profusely, mass resignations, and nothing much happens, is a regular occurrence. If the story was all about Chancellor Sunak resigning, then it might be debatable - but the stories all seem to be phrased as being about Johnson's future. Nfitz (talk) 20:43, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose it's been a s**t show for months/years. No change except BJ might actually finally go this time. Or maybe he'll prorogue parliament again. Either way we must wait. Polyamorph (talk) 20:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Probably needs to be ongoing. For UK quite seismic. Not seen for three generations, or more. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * p.s. news just in... has now sacked that devious Quisling Michael "snake-hips" Gove. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Wait Not worthy of being posted on its own, but would be if it leads to a change in government. Gust Justice (talk) 21:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait He's under pressure to resign, but if he ignores this pressure, then this is just another item on the growing list of Johnson scandals. We'll have to wait and see what happens. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 21:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose until and unless the PM resigns and there's a new PM, in which case ITNR new head of government. -- KTC (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and close for now it's the typical government crisis that happens in a country. And it's neither the only one nor the most exceptional. What is truly ITNR is whether Johnson ends up resigning and a new PM is appointed. So this nomination must be closed until Johnson quits, if it happens. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: is this even an option? If one dislikes a nomination enough, can one disrupt the process by demanding discussion is halted until a point he deems convenient?  c o m p l a i n e r  08:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose People can resign til the cows come home, but the only resignation that would truly matter would be that of the top man at 10 Downing Street. --🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  22:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If many more go, that's where he'll be recruiting. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Jack Gordon

 * With so much coverage missing from this stubby wikibio, there is no point in thinking about any rule-bending to let this late nom through. After adding the prose on his coaching the North Stars and working as GM in Minnesota, we'll also need prose on his work as GM in Vancouver. That's three big sections missing! Have fun writing about the Neely-Wesley giveaway. I know some Canuck fans who are still upset about that lopsided trade with Boston decades later.... --PFHLai (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality as the text is one paragraph, and article has two sources. Much more that can be said about him. Note, as there were more than 2 days between his date of death and announcement date, this won't go stale until a week after the date of announcement. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality Is there any coverage besides career in AHL? The article is stubby and NOT ready for RD. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:46, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alfred Koerppen

 * Support Satis. Sourced. Size ok. Grimes2 (talk) 10:58, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support good to go. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you - ec: I now even wrote the article of his wife. Do I have to advertise louder that this looks ready? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Marking ready. Let's see if there's any luck. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy to post, but could you please explain the sourcing style you've selected for the #Work section? Some sections have citations per line, one with a "Source" listed at the start, and others with none at all. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 14:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There are (as for Peter Brook, last week) several lists of works by him, all at the beginning. Some works have additional extra sources. ALl this wasn't chosen by us but the orinal writers of the German articles (if that had any sources, - often enough not). #12 Schott is the most detailed of the secondary sources, and then there's his own which I think we could trust also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 15:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

{Attention needed) RD: P. Gopinathan Nair

 * Comment There are several sentences that aren't cited or properly cited, particularly in Biography section. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:29, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello there. Thanks for this note. Can you add or other tags as necessary where citations are missing? Like I said, I have been busy and have not had a chance to work this article but the article looked reasonable on a superficial glance. Ktin (talk) 15:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Deployment of footnotes seems reasonable to me. Length (800+ words) is okay, too. No formatting problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 22:46, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mike Schuler

 * This wikibio is long enough to qualify (600+ words of prose). Coverage seems adequate. Footnotes can be found where they are expected. Formatting looks fine. And, Earwig could not find any problems. This is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:57, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support The article is ready to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 09:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:02, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Sri Lankan bankruptcy

 * Support - Honestly I really think Sri Lanka's economic crisis needs to be included in ongoing, and I would prefer that over blurbing this specifically, cause its in the news, and keeps coming up. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 15:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose on quality I could support this, but the article is in poor shape with an orange tag, many inline tags, and there doesn't appear to be an update, merely saying that the bill is due in July. The timeline section ends at May. This will be a long haul to get into shape. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality article is orange-tagged as POV. It cannot be posted until that is fixed. That being said, a country declaring bankruptcy is unusual, so might be ITN worthy if article is fixed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In principle this is an important and blurb-worthy story, but it's not clear if this is the right moment and the article needs substantial work. There are NPOV and failed verification tags, the whole text could do with a careful copyedit, and some parts seem to be out of date. The most recent events mentioned are from 22 June, which is too stale for ITN. Worse, the actual news from 5 July just seems to be the PM using the word 'bankrupt' when describing negotiations with the IMF - that's not a formal declaration and it isn't clear how much worse it is than the previous announcement of debt default. Overall, I think a better option would be to put this in ongoing once the article has been cleaned up - which will be quite a bit of work. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - I think is important to show the crisis of Sri Lanka because it is worst every day and it is very related to other social crisis that right now are happening Federizaguirre (talk) 18:48, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - A country going bankrupt is significant. -Abhishikt (talk)  19:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Oppose  – Not unexpected. Lanka's cirsis has been going on for months, if not years. – Sca (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support – It may not be a good piece of news but it is definitely a significant development, and may be close to once in a generation event. – Soup (Talk with me) 00:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality – As long as there is a neutrality tag, this can't go onto the main page. Once that's resolved, I could support this.  Schwede 66  02:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I may be mistaken, but the PM's use of the word seems to be as some sort of figure of speech, often reported in the news with inverted commas. It was never clearly stated/implied in the news reports that there is some kind of technical economic/legal definition of a country being bankrupt (if there is one). Ongoing will be suitable, with blurbs for appropriate discrete events such as making some financial deal with the IMF/World Bank etc Bumbubookworm (talk) 04:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Bumbubookworm. It seems the usage of the word "bankrupt" is a figure of speech and not an actual statement of the facts. Carter00000 (talk) 13:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Seems to be heating up.    Bears watching. – Sca (talk) 12:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose in favour of 2022 Sri Lankan protests or 2022 Sri Lankan political crisis. The presidential palace has been overrun by protestors, and the president's location is unknown - rumoured to be fleeing the country. Boud (talk) 15:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) BYD Auto becomes worlds largest EV producer

 * Support Article seems to be okay. Never heard from this company. Grimes2 (talk) 13:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Lacks significance, better as a fact for DYK. Also the article doesn't even mention this fact, even in the section titled "Sales". 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,#00F,#0F0,#FA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 13:22, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I have updated the article to reflect the above information. Carter00000 (talk) 13:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support A company that is obscure in the west producing the most electric vehicles is both significant and useful for our readers to know. BilledMammal (talk) 13:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per 4iamking. Trivia, and best suited to DYK. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 13:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose overtakes in rankings can change back and forth and are not suitable for posting Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:50, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I was leaning support, but have to agree with Bumbubookworm in the end. - Floydian τ ¢ 13:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Per Amakuru. Not widely covered among RS sites – at least not yet. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose aside from the significance issues noted, there is only a single sentence added to the article.  GreatCaesarsGhost   14:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Business news is an underrepresented topic on ITN; has been ever since we started ITN (when we used to have something called minority topics). I'm in favor of broadening our horizons in this front, even if it's not as sexy a story as people might expect to see out of the business world. --WaltCip- (talk)  14:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Amakuru as well. This seems like general MILL coverage and not the in depth journalism I'd expect for a claim of this nature. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 14:19, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose trivia that isn't ground breaking, and rankings change all the time. That's even before the article quality issue that it's not even mentioned in the target article. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. A 'so what?' piece of news. If they had become the largest car manufacturer overall that might be worth a blurb, but restricting the numbers to one power source isn't very meaningful. We wouldn't post the biggest diesel car company, and didn't post when Tesla become the largest electric car company either. I agree it's a neat factoid that might work at DYK, but the article isn't new; it would need to be improved to GA standards to qualify. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mohammed Barkindo
Support, Article needs expansion but the death of OPEC SG should come in the ITN. Alex-h (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality the article in French may be useful for further information. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Immediately after the Early life and education section comes the Death section? Where is the Career section? The longest section at this time is the Intro. This stubby wikibio needs major expansion and re-structuring. --PFHLai (talk) 00:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality The death of a secretary general in multinational organizations like OPEC should be notable enough that they might deserve a mention in ITN, but unfortunately the lack of career section torpedoes this. That's unfortunate. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Career section added, meets minimum requirements.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And more about his time at OPEC? Assumption of office, relevant measures he took, opinions, official trips, his succession... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You can add that yourself, but that's not a requirement for RD. – Ammarpad (talk) 10:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Um yes it is part of the basic article quality requirement: Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items. Omitting probably his biggest worldwide achievement is in violation of this. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support good to go. Nominate for RD a secretary general of an international organization, that his article doesn't talk about what he did during his tenure and claim that "that's not a requirement for RD" is insane. Improving the article is also the responsibility of the nominator. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mona Hammond

 * Support - Article sees to have no issues. Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 14:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 Fields medal

 * Support OK, but Hugo Duminil-Copin is a stub and needs sources. Grimes2 (talk) 08:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Question: Which wikipage(s) is/are the ITN candidate(s) here? The nom template shows " | article      = Fields Medal ", but Fields Medal is not bolded in the blurb. This wikipage has a few unsourced statements in the Landmark section, including one about a 2022 winner. Please add REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Prior to 2018, Fields Medal was the only bolded article. From the 2018 discussion, there were issues with the articles having quality differences among each other.  Joofjoof (talk) 11:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In my view, the four winners are the nominated pages, but the template only allows for one or two, which is why I chose Fields Medal for that purpose.  Sandstein   12:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. Hugo is a stub and should be expanded. The Fields Medal was mentioned in the intro of the other three wikibios, but not in the main body. Please elaborate in the main prose what they have done to earn the medal. Just adding 8 words to the intro does not seem like an adequate update for ITN purposes. June is a borderline-stub/start class article. His various positions are mentioned in the intro but not in the main prose. If these can be elaborated upon in the main prose, say in the Career section, this wikibio won't be a stub anymore. --PFHLai (talk) 12:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong support I have tried to expand June Huh and started on Viazovska Bumbubookworm (talk) 17:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In addition to issues noted with Duminil-Copin, Maynard is not ready. Given the length, the issues with WP:PRIMARY and WP:PROSELINE are prohibitive marks against quality.  GreatCaesarsGhost   20:01, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, all four articles have been improved (WP:PRIMARY issues in Maynard had been solved). The quality of them is ok for an ITN item. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Hugo Duminil-Copin is still classified as a stub, coming in at ~1300 characters (excluding the dot-pointed awards section). Anarchyte  ( talk ) 08:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No stub anymore: 1987 characters (311 words) "readable prose size". Grimes2 (talk) 10:34, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm expanding it further Bumbubookworm (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support. ITNR and all four articles meet our minimum requirements. Looks good to go to me. It's pleasing that we had articles on all of these people before they won the prize. I don't have a problem with Coplin's article, though as it's the shortest maybe the order should be changed so it isn't the first bold link. Added a slightly tweaked blurb. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:40, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posting, nice work with the articles! --Tone 10:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support and all four of them have pictures so can we post each one for half a day or so? Davey2116 (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Clever - I second this suggestion! Bumbubookworm (talk) 13:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Great idea. I added Maryna Viazovska's image to the main page a few minutes ago, and I've updated WP:CMP to include the rest of the recipients to facilitate image changes later on. I suggest posting on WP:ERRORS for updates now that it's been posted. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 13:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Half a day is up so I've swapped the photo to now show Hugo Duminil-Copin.  Schwede 66  02:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hank Goldberg

 * Comment Handicapping should be mentioned somewhere in the lead (and body) along with ESPN (if not also Sunday NFL Countdown)—he wasn't just on minor ESPN2 and ESPN Radio.—Bagumba (talk) 08:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * done. NFL Countdown was already mentioned in the body. —Bloom6132 (talk) 17:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OK —Bagumba (talk) 05:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 23:54, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Patrick Watson (producer)

 * Long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), with footnotes deployed where they are expected, no concerns regarding formatting, and with no problems identified by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 13:46, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

RD: Cláudio Hummes

 * The Biography section has multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Sourcing problems still outstanding.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Highland Park parade shooting

 * Strong oppose gun crime in US is routine. I expect all the US people who voted against the Copenhagen shooting (which was in a country that doesn't encourage gun violence) to vote oppose to this too, lest they all be biased hypocrites. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A rooftop shooter at a 4th of July parade is not (yet) routine. Guess I'm a biased hypocrite.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 18:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Calling people "biased hypocrites" has to violate WP:AGF and WP:Aspersions, no? Anyway, I guess I'm a biased hypocrite too, because I think this should be posted. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This is exactly the type of comment that we just discussed at WT:ITN that is on the road to incivility. Wholly inappropriate. M asem (t) 18:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Calling out bias is acceptable if it exists. Currently nobody has voted no to Copenhagen and yes to this, but if they do, then they need to think about whether they have a US bias. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait, so you're making up something that hasn't even happened yet and then getting outraged over it? -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support - Article obviously requires expansion Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Joseph. Just another routine shooting in United States. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I was just drafting the nomination for this nomination. No, not just another routine shooting. People don't get shot at parades everyday. This shooting is receiving a lot of news coverage and our article is of good quality thus far, though it still needs some expansion. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * People get shot every day in America. Supporting or posting this and not the Copenhagen shooting is a clear US bias. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly, Joseph. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I really hope that people learn to comment better than this. Your lack of understanding of gun violence in the United States is not helpful for these the. Only comment on the nomination at hand, not the nomination in another thread – Muboshgu (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And I really hope people can see why this support stinks of bias. Article is worse quality than Copenhagen one too.... <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:38, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Supporting the nice start of an article on a shooting at a 4th of July. Parade is bias? While you oppose the posting of a shooting with six deaths and support one with three deaths. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not US bias at all. 6 deaths > 3 deaths. That's all this is. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose I don't think this is currently significant enough to be blurbed. Perhaps if the number of casualties increases and/or some strong motive emerges. YD407OTZ (talk) 18:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Joseph. Status quo in the US. 2600:6C51:7C7F:8D66:6DCC:D50C:82DC:180F (talk) 18:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- this is not just a routine shooting. People don't routinely get shot and killed in the US at parades, and most gun crime is related to gang violence, which this is not. This also seems like an act of terrorism. --  Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose I second YD407OTZ. It's too early after the incident, and information is lacking. AkiraRorschach (talk) 18:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Frequent, regularly occurring and predictable events are not significant.
 * Comment If I had to guess, both this and the Copenhagen proposed blurb are going to be closed without consensus developing to post. Maybe it's a good idea to prematurely close them both now, so we don't end up slinging mud at each other. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  18:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support despite the proclivity for gun violence in the US, believe it or not we do not often have sniper shootings. This is significant and receiving a lot of worldwide coverage and the article is well written. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:46, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - Probably not a worthy thing to say but realistically... nobody outside of America would be interested (nor surprised) in seeing another shooting in the US. I'm personally kinda bored of seeing these kinds of news.
 * Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose excluding this event there were 55 shootings in Chicago this weekend alone with 7 deaths there is absolutely no reason to single this one out for notability. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We're not singling it out: the media is singling it out. Isn't our purpose here at In The News to showcase articles that are in the news? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The media is not singling this out. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * One wire report in the Chicago Sun-Times for the Chicago shootings, with every other publication running the Highland Park shooting is the media singling out the Highland Park shooting. BTW, this makes for a good place to point out that Highland Park is not Chicago. Chicago has lots of shootings, while Highland Park is the site of John Hughes movies. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * NBC's counting, too. But fine, Highland Park is temporarily hotter, till the next hot local shooting. Did you know some shooters in North Highland Park use unregistered axes or that Detroit's latest Highland Park shooter is still at large? InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now. It's not a school shooting, there's no ideological motive, and the death toll isn't high enough to be particularly notable on its own. If this changes then I'll consider flipping my vote. GeicoHen (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not a standard shooting either. Most shootings in the US and I'd say everywhere else are not carried out by snipers... <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think the sniper aspect of the shooting is going to grab the public's attention the same way high death tolls, motives, or the victims being children do. GeicoHen (talk) 19:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support — Article appears to be in good standing and is front page news. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait There are a lot basic question unanswered. If this turns out to be just another run of the mill mass shooting, I would oppose. But if it turns out to be a terrorist incident, I likely would support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now per Joseph, GeicoHen etc. And how about we stop censoring people's views just because we disagree with them. Much as its unfortunate and sad, and RIP to the victims, Six people is not a high number for a US shooting. We're also not posting the Copenhagen one as the death toll was low, so it's not anti US bias. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 19:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Censorship? Really? Hatting an inappropriate and uncivil vote is censorship? On what planet? WaltCip- (talk)  19:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see how it's censorship, it's still there. -- Rockstone Send me a message!  19:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not really "still there", because it's been collapsed. Someone casually looking over the thread would think the first vote is a support. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone looking with Javascript off sees it highlighted in an attractive camel/tan/peach box. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Frequent, regularly occurring and predictable local events are not significant. A major shooting in a country every few years would be notable. Weekly events aren't I've got the news on now - they literally just said mass shooting occur DAILY in this particular country. Nfitz (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mass shootings that kill 6 people do not occur daily in the US at all. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  20:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's still far more than the once a century to once a decade that normal countries have; it's not even the first shooting of this size this year! That a page like List of mass shootings in the United States in 2022 even exists, let alone is so large that it should probably be broken down per month. But hang on - looking at that list, it ONLY included mass shooting with 4 or more injuries. There's been 11 shootings (almost one every 2 weeks) with more than 5 deaths, and 290 shootings in about 185 days. The death toll this year alone is near 400 people. There's no way we should doing an ITN every couple of weeks, for such a common event. Nfitz (talk) 22:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The more accurate comparison would be the table on "No Way to Prevent This", Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens. Juxlos (talk) 02:11, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Juxlos just gave me a great idea. We should blurb every U.S. shooting that gets the "No Way to Prevent This" treatment from The Onion. If it doesn't get its own Onion send-up, we don't post it. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Opppose. Sad but predictable. Not news. Ericoides (talk) 21:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A sniper at a 4th of July parade is not predictable. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A sniper at an event where the gun situation is completely out-of-control is very predictable, not surprising, and not significant on anything other than a local scale. I'll predict that this isn't the last similar event this year - which is unfathomable. Nfitz (talk) 22:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand the difference between every day gun violence and a sniper shooting someone. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Illinois governor J. B. Pritzker said: "“While we celebrate the Fourth of July just once a year, mass shootings have become our weekly – yes, weekly – American tradition." Sniper shooting someone, everyday gun violence, it's all guns, it's all Americans. This is not news; it should be filed under "Ongoing events". Ericoides (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the "weekly American tradition" of mass shootings. Just because it's a sniper or a parade or a music festival or a school or whatever, it's just another traditional attack. Profoundly commonplace. >300 firearm deaths per day.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's a story of a sniper shooting someone dead in Sioux Falls for shooting someone dead in Hartford yesterday. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support. I (sadly) acknowledge that mass shootings are routine here in the U.S., but a sniper killing multiple people at a holiday parade is somewhat exceptional. Funcrunch (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The proposed blurb doesn't state the country in which this event took place. Chrisclear (talk) 22:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose an altblurb then. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It would be better if the proposer would just include the country in the first place. Chrisclear (talk) 23:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do people not know what country Illinois is in or something? -- Rockstone Send me a message!  23:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. Chrisclear (talk) 02:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, generally the names of the US states are sufficient to identify that this happened in the US. --M asem (t) 23:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Knowledge of one particular country's subregions shouldn't be expected of our readers. Especially when (to use just one example), Tokyo, the planet's most populous metropolitan area, is written as Tokyo, JapanChrisclear (talk) 02:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Moreover, the state is blue-linked and one can just click it to get their answer... WaltCip- (talk)  00:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Readers shouldn't have to click on a link to find out such basic information. And again, if we provide the name of country in which a city of 37 million is found, it follows that we should do the same for a state with only 12 million people. Chrisclear (talk) 02:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I wonder if you would apply the same criteria to Kano State, Sindh, Uttar Pradesh, and Metropolitan Manila, which are the most populous sub-national regions in four of the five-largest countries by English speaking populations. They all have larger populations than Illinois, with Uttar Pradesh having a population almost 6/10 the size of the entire US. However, you wouldn't expect a random guy from Chicago to know where any four of those are, just like how most of the world has no idea what or where Illinois is. We shouldn't be broadcasting our Americentrism on the Main Page for everyone to see. AryKun (talk) 08:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, except that Punjab is by far the most populous Pakistani province. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 14:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose I’d be very surprised if this stays in the news cycle for 3 days. Comparable to a bombing in Kabul. Juxlos (talk) 23:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - New Info:I am supporting this now due to the suspect being caught by the police. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * How is catching the suspect notable? GeicoHen (talk) 05:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, usually they just kill them. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 15:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per Rockstone, also this got featured in Current Events, not every Chicago shooting gets that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:681:25A0:0:0:0:32E8 (talk) 00:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but keep in mind that the bar for Portal:Current events (usually a dozen or more items per day) is a lot lower than for the main page (usually one every couple days). Ionmars10 (talk) 01:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * comment: the onion has republished its 'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens article, suggesting that this may not be a run-of-the-mill event. dying (talk) 02:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We had three shootings between Uvalde and now that got the Onion article, and none of them got on the main page. GeicoHen (talk) 05:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per dying (and think it's high time Illinois was recognized as the sovereign state it is). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:05, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I think a lot of the opposes happened before the death toll rose from the intial report of 2 to 6 and before there was a person of interest in custody. This story is more fleshed out now and worth presenting to the general reader. P.S. I was at the Hyde Park, Chicago parade that J. B. Pritzker was going to march at and saw his motorcade take off and head north around 11 AM. This story was not a routine Chicago shooting and changed the daily itinerary for our governor. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:50, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * When your inconvenienced governor Pritzker says, as he did yesterday, "While we celebrate the Fourth of July just once a year, mass shootings have become our weekly – yes, weekly – American tradition," I'm guessing that he might just come down on the "Oppose" side here. That is, unless he'd favour seeing a story like this on our front page every week just to, y'know, increase the coverage of a neglected part of the world. Ericoides (talk) 05:26, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment When I posted my oppose the death toll was already at 6. And a person of interest being in custody doesn’t make the shooting any more notable than it was beforehand. GeicoHen (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose routine mass shooting event in America. Nothing unusual at all. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But this isn't just any mass shooting; it's the first ever mass shooting involving a rooftop sniper interrupting a gubernatorial motorcade. That doesn't count for something in your book? WaltCip- (talk)  11:51, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I know, right? Every mass shooting in America has some kind of bizarre circumstantial intersection that suddenly makes it inherently suitable for ITN, second-worst school shooting on a Monday in the Southern States which didn't involve an AR-15, fifth-worst shooting at a music event in western Texas since 2019 when it was raining etc.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose In a country where keeping and bearing arms is a constitutionally protected right, this is nothing but an easily predictable consequence. You're going to reap just what you sow.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support because it's clearly notable & the article is OK. But given the many opposes, maybe it's time to actually add the mass shootings article to Ongoing 😭 –Jiaminglimjm (talk) 07:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - In the news, I guess, but roughly comparable to a bombing in Afghanistan, a massacre in Tigray, or executions in Syria- tragic, but routine and thus not notable. You can argue all you want, but when a country has shootings with double digit death tolls twice a month, it is routine. AryKun (talk) 07:59, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know about your statistic at the end: looking at the official Wikipedia page on mass shootings, double digit death tolls are more like 2-4 times per year. Still, I do agree that these kind of shootings (4-6 deaths), while tragic, are routine in the US, comparable with the examples you mentioned. YD407OTZ (talk) 09:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These shootings are routine in the U.S. now.  Sandstein   08:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose sadly these are relatively commonplace in the US. Therapyisgood (talk) 12:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Per Ericoides, TRM, Therapy. The well-regulated militia continues its usual work. – Sca (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Mass shootings of this death toll & higher are common. It being done by a sniper on a roof doesn't make it more notable. I'm consistent & stated my opposition to Oslo & Copenhagen being posted as well. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Mass shootings are common in the United States, less so in affluent suburban communities, less so on parades for national holidays. But ITN has basically become a place for Europeans to scold Americans on their innate violence and ignoring that nearly 40% of English Wikipedia's readers come from the United States (click on Breakdown by country for English Wikipedia) and have this be the top news story in nearly every news source in the country and oddly not be considered "in the news" on Wikipedia. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:02, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this assessment (partially because it's true). Most of Wikipedia's readership is from the United States. If this were, say, Swahili Wikipedia, sure, this would be a much different conversation. But this incident is large enough that it should warrant a mention, regardless of death toll, and it's relevant to a lot of people. WP:WAX does absolutely apply here, as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:14, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * By all means suggest an American Wikipedia which could cater for the never-ending stream of US mass shooting nominations without hesitation. This, English language Wikipedia, and its news section, really needs to remember it's part of an encyclopedia.  I very much doubt that 99% of the mass shootings that take place in the US would make it into an encyclopedia of world events.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:18, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Too late for an American Wiki. The Serene Court is happily dismantling much that made the U.S. the world's "last best hope," presaging its demise. -- Sca (talk) 14:45, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The 1% of them that lead the headlines across the country do. Much like my plan to enforce secession on the South (but keep Arizona for the Grand Canyon), I dont think Ill be able to get an American Wikipedia, but I do think this instinctive "shootings are routine in the US" from an overrepresented segment of the community is doing a disservice to our readers. Which I thought is what we were here for. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:23, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You are correct about the tone of some Oppose votes, but that comes with the territory. It is not our purpose here to bloviate "thoughts and prayers" like politicians. We understand that all massacres are tragic, but the discussion at ITNC (not ITN) should center on significance per our standards. This necessarily requires an editor to diminish seemingly important events.  GreatCaesarsGhost   14:24, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, "lead the headlines" is just another word for tabloidism when it comes to mass shootings I'm afraid. I suggest we're close to having a separate ticker for "mass shootings in the US" if we open the floodgates and allow this to become American Wikipedia.  People just make up bizarre intersections to somehow "ennoble" these routine events, and its pitiful really, and harmful to an eneyclopedic endeavour.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I cant understand how of all places "In the news" does not "lead [with] the headlines". Yes, not every mass shooting in the US should be included. That doesnt mean that this one should not be included. There are a bunch of reasons this one is "in the news" more so than other shootings in Chicago, some of them racist, some of them classist, some of them just at the shock of it occurring at a Fourth of July parade. But regardless of why one of those stories carried the headlines across the country, it did. That, to me at least, means it should be "in the news" here as well. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You nailed it "just the shock of it occurring at a Fourth of July parade" i.e. tabloidism. And to those of us looking in, this isn't in the slightest bit shocking. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You can feel that way, but the coverage of it indicates that it is indeed shocking. At least to the largest represented country, by a long shot, our readers hail from. But, again, that overrepresented group of editors here created an inherent hostility to coverage of anything American, especially this. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:38, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, in 2019, the NYT ran an article about those outside the US asking "why are you surprised?" This is global ambivalence to these events, not a disproportionate number of non-American Wikipedia editors at English language Wikipedia.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:39, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, your comments reflect a fundamental misunderstand of our purpose. While this section is called "In the news" it is not meant to reflect top news stories.  GreatCaesarsGhost   14:41, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, CNN reports "no one can be sure they are safe, anywhere ... while Monday's shooting outside Chicago was unexpected, another mass shooting in the US was hardly a surprise". Even RS inside the US aren't surprised by this. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:43, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That is an odd reading of while Monday's shooting outside Chicago was unexpected. Yes, another mass shooting anywhere in the US will likely occur sometime this week if not today. But that does not mean that this one, widely covered across the world (see BBC, Guardian, AFP, ...), is not significant. You know how many non-Europeans give a half a shit about Eurovision? About three. Still on here every year. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Never mind!  You're comparing ITNR entry about the Eurovision Song Contest to these weekly mass shootings?  (I'll admit it's got a bit crap since Israel and Australia joined but hey...)  Honestly, that comparison officially losing the plot.  Cheers now! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * No, Im not complaining, Im saying that outside interest of a subject is not determinative of its noteworthiness or inclusion in ITN. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap"> nableezy  - 14:57, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As I noted, the ESC is INTR, feel free to nominate its removal. Mass shootings happen every week in the US, there's nothing remarkable about them until they rise to the grim level of Uvalde or similar.  This one is run of the mill, tragic as it is, and I bet $100 we'll see another one in the next two weeks with a similar or worse death toll.  It's not surprising ever, it is occasionally shocking, but not really to those of outside the US.  Sorry about that. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose per TRM: unique circumstances are not special/noteworthy per se. Nevertheless, we have had mass shootings involving snipers and politicians.  GreatCaesarsGhost   14:24, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Janusz Kupcewicz

 * Update I've majorly expanded and sourced it. All the information needed is in the references, I know there's more placing of them to do to the prose. The club career needs to be expanded and the politician career needs to be added and sources found for that.Abcmaxx (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Citations are still needed. Expansion would be good too, but it is minimally long enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The actual sources are all there for the playing career I just need to put them in all the right places. I will expand too once I get the chance, please bear with.Abcmaxx (talk) 22:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Update Did so much to expand and reference this, every single thing is referenced with WP:RS, all aspects of his life and death have been noted, and I believe this should be more than enough to post now.Abcmaxx (talk) 01:03, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice expansion from 84 words to almost 800 words in about one day. This is obviously long enough to qualify now. No concerns regarding formatting and deployment of footnotes. (I gotta AGF all the non-English sources.) This is READY for RD to me. One small issue: The "Hairdresser" corruption scandal seems out of place in a section with "Legacy" in the header, and there isn't much info on this story. Can this be elaborated either in the article or in the linked article? Perhaps "Death and legacy" can be re-named "Personal life" and expanded to include info on birth (a good place to put a footnote for the DoB), upbringing and where he resided during his retirement before he died, etc.? Then this "scandal" would not look too out of place. --PFHLai (talk) 13:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Polish Wikipedia is much better on this topic which has been widely studied and written about. In a nutshell; the 70s-80s "Poland's golden squad" went onto running Polish football and its FA. In 2004 a man nickname "Fryzjer" ("hairdresser") was prosecuted for corruption and buying matches; turns out that the golden generation started and facilitated essentially a massive fraudulent and corrupt match-fixing mafia where the FA, and nearly every club player and coach in Poland for the last 30 years was involved. This guy was in that group, close associate of Lato, Boniek and Forbrich (the "hairderesser", ring-leader), and was almost certainly a central figure. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation, Abcmaxx. Sounds like an interesting story that should be elaborated in Football in Poland, which is already linked from this wikibio. --PFHLai (talk) 18:56, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It should be a standalone article ideally as on Polish wiki, which arguably could be split into more sub-articles, with the "hairdresser list" article" and an article on the man himself, all missing from English Wikipedia sadly. I shall do my best to try and rectify this one day, but as you can image, it took long enough just to get this RD up to scratch, never mind such a vast topic which could span easily a whole cluster of articles.Abcmaxx (talk) 20:19, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Take your time, if you plan to work on that. For this particular wikibio, something to explain what the "Hairdresser corruption scandal" refers to would be helpful. As a reader, I was a little lost and frustrated there after clicking the wikilink and not getting any relevant info. Some info for readers unfamiliar with the scandal would be nice. --PFHLai (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Can we post this RD though before it becomes stale? Abcmaxx (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking/Waiting for support votes from (uninvolved) editors. --PFHLai (talk) 02:40, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support All sections and sentences are properly cited. This is ready to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:40, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Candidates Tournament 2022

 * Comment - there's some doubt about whether he actually will face Carlsen. Carlsen has previously said that he won't defend his title unless it's against Alireza Firouzja. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, well-referenced and comprehensive – however, because it is not certain that Carlsen will defend his title, maybe the last four words "to face Magnus Carlsen" should be removed. (If Carlsen refuses to defend his title, the regulations state that Nepomniachtchi will face whoever takes 2nd in the Candidates, so he will be playing regardless.) Double sharp (talk) 07:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - do we normally post these in addition to the World Chess Championship? -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  07:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I just looked at ITN after the last three candidates and saw no sign we posted them. I'd suggest this doesn't rise to the level of significance for posting, (also not seeing much coverage in mainstream news outside of dedicated chess sites) and if we add anything then it should be the world rapid and blitz rather than this, which is just a ticket to a greater event... &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose firstly, not convinced this is ITN-worthy, as it isn't covered highly in mainstream sources (in their main news article sections). Secondly, the article has a lot of information on how people qualified for the event, which is fine, but only a table of results for the actual matches themselves. As with many sports articles, needs more prose about the event itself to meet the article quality threshold. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Blurb amendment stroke to face Magnus Carlsen from the blurb as per above comments as not confirmed yet. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support This is a big development is a widely covered sport/competition. I'm not convinced that the fact lots of news outlets bypassed this is a valid argument; lots of very significant events get missed all the time depending on where in the world you are. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It can't be considered as "in the news" if it's not actually in any news articles. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:35, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose per my comments above and Joseph2302. I follow developments in the chess world quite closely, so I was aware of this happening, but I think it's wider significance is not huge - it's a stepping stone to a very big event, in the world championship, but only that. We don't post the AFC Championship Game in American football for example, which is the gateway to the Super Bowl, or the 2022 FIFA World Cup qualification. I also think the omission of the story from mainstream media as a "breaking news" item is significant (most will probably cover it next weekend in their weekly chess sections). If they don't cover it then that means the world at large has deemed it not so significant, and it is WP:UNDUE and WP:OR to say we should be covering it. Finally, per Joseph, there will need to be prose added for the event itself it it's to meet the quality bar. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose It doesn’t make a lot of sense to post the qualifying tournament when we will post the actual event when it occurs, subject to quality. Also, as the full template has not been used (who is the nominator?) there has been no evidence of news coverage provided, which is s requirement. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Not noticeably in the news. – Sca (talk) 12:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I understand why this was nominated, which is reasonable, and it has received media coverage (contrary to some of the comments above). But fundamentally it's the qualifying tournament for the world championship; we should post the latter instead, when it occurs. WP:ITNR has an average of 1.5 chess stories per year, plus we've posted additional blurbs when there has been a new world number one in the rankings. That seems about right for the level of public interest, so I don't see a need to post additional tournaments. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * PS. I expect there will be more mainstream media reports once the tournament ends tomorrow. Currently Nepomniachtchi has an unassailable lead and has finished his matches, but there are a few others still to play their last games. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I feel like this is akin to posting the semi-finals of the FIFA World Cup. Sure, it's super notable in its own right, and in the news, but it's a part of a more newsworthy topic.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Given that it's only a qualifying competition for a larger tournament Carter00000 (talk) 12:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Clifford Alexander Jr.

 * Support This is ready to go. The lead it is a little bit short, but it is still enough. MarioJump83 (talk) 01:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Irving Abella

 * Long enough (500+ words), with footnotes deployed at expected spots, no concerns regarding formatting, and Earwig found nothing wrong with it, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 05:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 15:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Idelisa Bonnelly

 * Support While the article could go into a little depth about her academic contributions, it meets minimum standards and is well-referenced.  Spencer T• C 23:52, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Russian Capture of the Luhansk Oblast

 * Oppose the war is at ongoing, and we don't need to post every single event that happens in the war. Because ITN is not a news ticker for the war. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * While I agree that ITN should not be a ticker for the conflict (as it would likely be quickly overwhelmed), the capture of a whole Oblast is a major milestone in Russia's stated aims for the conflict. Carter00000 (talk) 16:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support One of the major aims of Russia is reached. Hope they will stop the war now. Grimes2 (talk) 13:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hoping against hope?
 * Like other recent Soviet, I mean Russian, captures of Ukrainian cities, this one doesn't seem pivotal or unexpected. -- Sca (talk) 15:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If they do stop the war, or at least halt is with a temporary ceasefire, that would be worth posting on ITN. But speculating it may happen is not a reason to post this. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The only time they'll stop is when they've grabbed all they can get. -- Sca (talk) 16:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, The war is ongoing and this does not seem to be a turning point. Alex-h (talk) 15:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The capture of a whole Oblast is a major milestone in Russia's stated aims for the conflict. While this is not a turning point, it should be considered a notable point in the overall conflict. Carter00000 (talk) 16:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That argument would be more compelling if anything Putin says about his plans for the invasion was believable. The "aims" of the invasion have ranged from "denazifying" all of Ukraine to just "helping" separatists in Donbass and multiple contradictory goals were promoted simultaneously by Russian state actors and media. I would agree with you for example if one could reasonably (objectively) believe that this means the invasion is over. Regards So  Why  18:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Lysychansk is not particularly more important than, say Severodonetsk or Mariupol. Juxlos (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Lysychansk is significant, given that it is the last area to fall in a Oblast, prior to becoming fully under Russian control. Carter00000 (talk) 16:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So is Kherson, and it has 3x the population. Mariupol has closer to 5x. “Last city in an administrative division” is an arbitrary line. Juxlos (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Per previous opposition. – Sca (talk) 16:44, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Support this is the kind of significant strategic update that is worth consideration beyond ongoing (as was Mariupol). The article is about the city of Lysychansk but it's clear from reliable sources that Russia now controls the entire oblast. Given that Russias main objective seems to be the Donbas this actually feels like a important albeit grim milestone. Weak because I'm not sure the proposed target article highlights the scope of the territory lost. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose covered by ongoing, and not a particularly notable capture. I would be open to blurbing if/when Russia succeeds in capturing the full Donbas region (i.e. Donetsk + Luhansk oblasts), as that was one of their stated initial goals. YD407OTZ (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose they started in 2014, its of no significant importance to the wider conflict and they only captured the last settlement as a result of a tactical retreat rather than any conquest, which means this is going to change so many times still. Also they have not "captured" anything; occupation is not the same as full control, at the moment even in Kherson which has been occupied since February they have not had full control yet. Furthermore the LPR isn't a real state, it's puppet quasi-state through Russian invention and we should be careful how we word these blurbs.Abcmaxx (talk) 01:28, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support on notability and article quality, but rephrase blurb. With respect to notability, this is a major development in the Russo-Ukrainian war (it's a clear and stated goal of the Russian Federation) and the region itself is larger by landmass than fifty sovereign states. The argument above that "this does not seem to be a turning point" is something that we can only really evaluate by looking into a crystal ball, which of course we can't. We don't need to post every event in the war, but we should post the significant ones such as when an entire Oblast falls. The article also seems to be in good enough shape to post. That being said, it might be better to say than the current blurb; most sources seem to be framing it this way rather than crediting the LPR with taking the city. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment as nominator. Added the suggested blurb above as altblurb. Carter00000 (talk) 16:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I won't go as far as some of the above commentary to presume the significance of this event (apparently ITN/C seems to be full of military strategists), but ongoing should cover most of what's going on here.--🌈<span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">WaltCip - (talk)  14:35, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Major milestone in the invasion, especially with an unrecognized state (the Luhansk People's Republic) capturing all of its claimed territories. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥ ) 19:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose So far there is no concrete indication this is actually an important milestone for anyone, and it is covered by the ongoing article. Yakikaki (talk) 20:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James M. Bardeen

 * Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - just on a point of order re death announcement date, according to his obituary was published in the NY Times on June 26. I can't find the original article online, but the obit was reproduced on legacy.com on that same day.  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 06:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, at least the wikibio was readied and the nomination was posted here within 7 days of that publication. --PFHLai (talk) 12:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah fair enough, I'm just quibbling for no reason really. Support &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Amakuru, you have a fair point there. This is indeed a late nom. We can reject this nom for the lateness. Considering how few solid RD noms we get these days, let's be nice (and bend the rules a little bit) and put this on ITN. --PFHLai (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I could understand me or another regular cantankerous fart calling the recent death noms' fortitude into question, but you're the one who's been posting the most by far lately; if you don't mind me asking (nicely), what's up with that? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I dunno ... in summer holiday mood? -- PFHLai (talk) 01:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a procedural issue, not as important as an issue with article quality. I guess... -- PFHLai (talk) 01:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll accept both guesses, thanks! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:33, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! :-) -- PFHLai (talk) 03:33, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 Karakalpak protests

 * Surprised this hasn't been commented on yet. Anyway Support for Original blurb Article seems to be in good shape. The "Protests" section could use some more expansion, but that should be taken care of as more info comes out. Mount Patagonia (talk) 04:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support surprised not to see this nominated earlier. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support large protests in an authoritarian country are clearly important. Article looks good enough to post. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. N ataev  talk 11:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Given that the Government of Uzbekistan has already withdrawn the plans which caused the unrest after a few days of the unrest. Unlikely for the unrest to continue or increase in intensity. Carter00000 (talk) 12:55, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The fact that people managed to get an authoritarian leader to do what they want is significant. And this isn't stale unlike most of the current ITN items.... <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support. Malikxan  talk 13:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Original blurb, it is in the news and article seems fine, so really no complaints there. I find that the alt blurbs are too wordy though. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,blue,green,#FF0,#fA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 13:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, A major event, and article is good. Alex-h (talk) 16:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for quality typical disaster stub. The protests section itself is very short the infobox claims 18 killed and the article simply references non-specific "protesters had attempted to storm government buildings". Did the deaths occur while storming a government building or during the protests the day before? Which government building(s)? Needs a lot more detail to be MP ready. Assuming they were killed protesting and not while unlawfully storming a government building then support any blurb which excludes the word "deadly". Just do our standard "At least X people are killed during Y in Z place" that we use for all the disaster stubs. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. There is consensus that this can be promoted. I needed a replacement item for the 2022 San Antonio trailer deaths article as that is in a state of mess. This seemed the best one on offer. -- Schwede66 01:21, 2022 July 5 (UTC)
 * Wait what? You pulled an article that's fine except for needing some expansion on the "investigation" which is ongoing and replaced it with a piece of trash that doesn't even explain where these supposed 18 casualties took place? How does that make sense? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Copenhagen shooting

 * Oppose not notable except as an example of the failure of Denmarks very strict gun control laws unless terrorism is determined to be a cause we shouldn't post crime blotter. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining exactly why it's notable! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well... Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:48, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3 dead and 3 wounded critically is frankly a testament to those very strict gun control laws working. That barely makes the news in the USA.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 01:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The US has 25 times as many firearm homicides per capita as Denmark. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting fact! And in Denmark the shooter used a hunting rifle, instead of the standard AR15 here in the States.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 03:46, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait Article is currently a stub. It doesn't even have the number of dead in it yet. Wait until reliable sources pick up on this, and we can expand it further and further. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 20:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality. It's obvious that it's notorious in a country whose crime levels are very low in a continent where mass shootings are very rare. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait Until we know how many have died. Rest in Peace to all the victims. --  Rockstone  Send me a message!  21:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Agree we need to get more detail but this, like the recent Oslo shootings, is inherently notable in a Denmark where mass shootings are in single digits in their country's entire history.  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree with this assessment; mass shootings are never inherently notable merely because of where it took place. Nonetheless, it seems like this is an incident of terrorism. If that turns out to be the case, then it should be posted. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  22:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Of course they are. If mass shootings are as rare as rocking horse shit then they are immediately notable.  Just as the opposite applies.  Regardless of whether this is terrorism or not, multiple deaths in a mass shooting in a country (like many) where mass shootings practically never happen is notable enough.  Plus being widely reported in RS around the world, so no doubt at all to the suitability for ITN.  Just needs a quality update. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait for quality improvements and precise figures, but support on notability. Denmark, not unlike Norway, has one of the lowest intentional homicide rates in the world. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 21:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hate to pile this one, but with some reported death in a country that rarely has violent attacks, this is definitely ITN material, but it really needs expansion. Wait. --M asem (t) 22:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- if only three people have died, and there's no overarching motive, then there's no reason to post this. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  23:38, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They haven't deduced a motive yet. They're still treating it as a terrorism-related incident. M asem (t) 01:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know who you mean by "they", but "Police chief Soeren Thomassen said there was no indication that the shooting was an act of terror". InedibleHulk (talk) 06:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The earlier reports were, but I have seen they have stepped back away from that claim since I posted that comment above. M asem (t) 12:48, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — Denmark has only had three mass shootings in its history that in total have killed 7 people. This is hardly notable enough for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose because it's not important enough & the article is too short. It looks like it was a lone attacker & there's no indication of the shooting having an ideological motive. That makes it a lot less notable than attacks carried out by international terrorist groups. The death toll is three; we'd never post a mass shooting with a death toll that low if it happened in Africa, Asia or the Americas, unless at least one of the victims was very notable. We shouldn't post it just because it's rare in its country of occurrence. We wouldn't post a minor earthquake in a country which rarely has earthquakes. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 01:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Oppose Wait – Fairly widely covered because it's Europe, but per AP lacks significance as shooter acted alone, was mentally troubled. – Sca (talk) 12:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd tend to see anyone who kills three people in a mass shooting in a shopping centre as "mentally troubled". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, it was only three. We all have bad days now & then. -- Sca (talk) 13:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We're lucky. "In wikispace, no one can hear you scream" (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. Things are in the news because they are remarkable which is why "man bites dog" is news and "dog bites man" usually is not. A mass shooting in a country which has no real history of such crimes (three in total according to ElijahPepe above) is notable even if the crime were non-notable in a country where such events are commonplace. And we regularly post such events even in the US where they occur basically every day. Regards So  Why  12:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't post US shootings with death tolls this low. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:01, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do we have an agreed global number, or does it vary by country? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In the UK, five. In the U.S. 50. -- Sca (talk) 13:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is exactly my point. In the US, three people being shot in a mall is "just another Monday" (a dog biting a man, if you so wish). But it's not in Denmark. PS: Denmark has only 1.5% of the population that the US has, so three people dead there would equal ~200 dead in the US. That is, if one were measuring news by the amount of people dead alone. *shrug* Regards So  Why  13:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In terms of population density Denmark is ranked 92 (346 per sqmi), but US is ranked 185 (88 per sqmi). So theoretically it's much easier to kill more people, from a single shooting point, in Denmark than in the US? But I guess shopping malls may be equally crowded in both countries. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * And in Ukraine. -- Sca (talk) 15:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Given the extreme rarity of such events in Denmark.Carter00000 (talk) 12:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support In principle, once destubbed. The last time anything on this scale happened in Denmark was in 2015 and before that you would have go to the 1985 Copenhagen bombings, clearly a significant event, given it's wide-ranging media coverage. Comparing this to a random US shooting is a stupid comparison. 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,blue,green,#FF0,#fA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 13:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, oppose on quality this is in all the mainstream news media, it is unusual because this is a country where gun violence is uncommon. Denmark isn't the US where mass shootings are commonplace and barely newsworthy. That being said, the article needs more information to satisfy the article quality requirements of ITN. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In the 21st century, no country is an island, entire of itself. That it's news in DK, home of hygge, doesn't make it generally significant, or for that matter even particularly interesting. -- Sca (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that, unlike Greenland, Denmark is not an island. Even Trump doesn't want to buy it. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, it was the top news stories on multiple non-Danish news website, such as the BBC (UK edition) for over 12 hours. That's significant international coverage of the event. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Shooter charged with murder, despite his history. One of the six wounded in critical. This is possibly more serious. (Changed vote to wait.) – Sca (talk) 15:21, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment In the past decade there have been 529 fatal shootings in Denmark. In the past 2 days there have been 632 fatal shootings in the US. Yet some still think that a mass shooting in Denmark is not newsworthy??  The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, it's just that three isn't a "mass." But the discussion continues. -- Sca (talk) 15:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that's wrong. Many definitions of a "mass shooting" consider three to be the minimum.  But never mind. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Three or more may not be the question because the "mass" can also refer to all the victims, not just those who died (cf. mass shooting). But then again, in the end, the question is not up to us but up to reliable sources and they seem to classify it as a mass shooting. Although even if they did not, it would not make it less newsworthy. Regards  So  Why  18:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Denmark has very strict gun control laws that couldn't prevent a mass shooting so either their society is a cesspool of violent depravity and they want mass shootings or gun control doesn't work. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Or would that be a cesspool of depraved violence? -- Sca (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Gun control works: In the past decade there have been 529 fatal shootings in Denmark. In the past 2 days there have been 632 fatal shootings in the US. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:37, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You might want to adjust that seemingly nonsensical and inflammatory piece of non-logic? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * He doesn't do that. Instead, 316 shootings per day in the US (no real gun control) vs 0.14 shootings per day in Denmark (real gun control).  I know math can be tricky, but hopefully this helps. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:52, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "Those stupid Danes have no constitutional rights!" (Is that inflammatory and non-logical enough?) Martinevans123 (talk) 15:56, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the UK, where they have constitution at all. -- Sca (talk) 16:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I would like to support this item, but almost 24 hours after its nomination, all I see is a bare bones stub article and the typical ITNC nonsense about how this one is notable and American shootings are not because of statistics and other unhelpful remarks. Say what you will about American shootings, our nominated ITNC articles are fleshed out by this point. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak support per Praxidicae below. It's nearly beyond a stub now but really should be better than this by now. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Support significant event that has worldwide coverage but I wish the article were significantly better quality. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 18:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment have added some more content, way better than a stub now, and I believe it has sufficient article quality. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak-to-modest Support on the basis that this is a major event in a local (and European) context. Quantitatively, this is not "major" by global standards, but that this was the "largest mass shooting in the country's history" is noteworthy. Not often news gets to say "most deadly". 's point about "man bites dog" is well-taken too.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's tied with the 2015 one for deaths, but smaller in wounded, area, duration, guns and information. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:47, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Only two were murdered in 2015. Nfitz (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, and three were shot to death. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - rare event with significant international coverage. I can't find any mention of a similar death toll this century (or last century to be honest). Nfitz (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Article is nowhere near good enough to be posted. Notability is questionable unless there are any new significant developments, which would need to be added to the article Belugsump (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not a globally significant event. Can someone explain why the 2022 Oslo shooting was posted, but not this one? Thriley (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oslo shooting was an act of terrorism against a gay pride parade. What the hell is "globally significant" anyway and where do the guidelines stipulate it as a requirement? I keep hearing about it but on one can tell me what it means. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Exotic demographics aside, that one also had over 20 victims. But this one might still be posted, too. For being Danish, if anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd say any country that has the deadliest mass shooting since World War II is globally significant. We posted ITNs from other countries, that aren't even the biggest shooting of the month - let alone century. Nfitz (talk) 22:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I already told you three people were killed in the one 70 years after the war, so I doubt that will change your mind, but will still tell you again. If we start disqualifying legally excusable killings, that'll drastically lessen the impact of military showdown, protest crackdown and psychotic breakdown blurbs. You want that? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It would seem rather poor form to be including the death of the shooter in the number of deaths in order to elevate the significance of a mass shooting. Particularly when the death toll isn't final yet. Nfitz (talk) 23:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not about elevating significance, it's about reflecting reality. Death is the great equalizer, bullets don't care and sometimes those who live by the gun die by the gun. February 15, 2015, was one of those times and that article's infobox uses the standard inclusive form of basic human accounting to say so. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, sorry to be callous and of course it's a tragedy, but the death toll is quite low so doesn't seem significant in the long run. And just because it's a country with few guns, doesn't mean we automatically post. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, crime with a relatively low death toll.  Sandstein   08:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Miguel Etchecolatz

 * The article is well-referenced as a whole with no noticable issues except for the first paragraph in the Return to democracy section, which doesn't have a citation (particularly the bit about him being sentenced to 23 years). Overall I would say I support the RD but only on the condition that this is changed. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 16:39, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - No doubt this article has any issues. But additions are required as per Dunutubble's request.
 * Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is the citation I've added sufficient? -- VersaceSpace  🌃 01:05, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 *  Weak Full support I've added a cn tag in that first paragraph. Can you fix it with a source? The article is almost ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've added one. -- VersaceSpace  🌃 22:03, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Great work! Thanks. Marking ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 22:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alain de Cadenet

 * Long enough to qualify (500+ words). No formatting issues. Footnotes can be found where they are expected. And, Earwig has found nothing wrong. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 02:37, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 06:34, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

[Attention, please.] RD: Dmitry Kolker

 * Comment: The Russian wiki may have some information that could be used to expand the article,, including an image. Article also has a bare url and is still stub tagged. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 13:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comments: This wikibio has 300+ words of prose and technically long enough to qualify as an non-stub. I have to AGF all the non-English refs, but footnotes can indeed be found at expected spots. Formatting looks okay -- dates and other attributes in the non-English refs would be good things to add. This seems to be a passable RD nom, but I am hesitant to post this on MainPage because the materials on his career as a scientist or laser research engineer are rather thin. His recent arrest from his deathbed and subsequent demise seem to take up quite a bit of space in this wikibio that the coverage of his life now seems imbalanced. Perhaps another admin can look at this, please. Can more materials on his research on laser be added, please? --PFHLai (talk) 15:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Blackwood

 * Support Short but adequate, referenced. Marking ready.  Spencer T• C 23:51, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 05:24, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Peter Brook

 * Thank you for the nomination of one of greatest English directors ever. I would have done it later, I'm not done yet updating. Adding myself to the updaters. - Many helped, just the name Khardan is not in the recent history. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Sourced now. Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 09:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You are an updater, thank you very much. I think the article could still be better - we miss Jeanne Moreau ... but I have a few other things waiting. Good enough from my pov. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment References required for the last paragraph of the Shakespeare section, and the lists of his works. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They are summarily sourced at the top of Works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I see the two sources given (one is based on a book already sourced, the Kustow work, so could be better formmated to support that), but just needs better indication that those refs are meant to cover the works. The language used in the opening sentence of that H2 section isn't clear that those cover the works. Easily fixable and that seems to be the only quality issue for posting. --M asem (t) 13:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think I understand the first bit. The second, I tried to reword now, but feel free to write yourself what you think would be clearer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Is anything missing?? - 62k+ looked already, - how do we look if we bring "him" so late? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me, once I saw the general references for works. Posting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tone (talk • contribs) 12:02, 2022 July 6 (UTC)
 * Reviewers and their support votes were missing. But we don't need them now. This nom is already posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:19, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What can I do next time to attract them? This was the hardest of the year to do, and I was proud of having succeeded, and it was supported 2 days ago. Then what? It's long, so reviewers may be hesitant? - I do hope that it will not happen again that two of these giants die on consecutive days, - it's exhausting, sorry. I'd like credits for all, for the record. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems that participation is lower these days. There are fewer editors posting comments across ITN/C. Not just for RD noms. Time for a summer break? Not sure... --PFHLai (talk) 05:29, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, this was posted...I never got the notification. -- VersaceSpace  🌃 05:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Now notified. -- PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Andy Goram

 * Obviously long enough to qualify (2000+ words), with no formatting issues or concerns regarding the deployment of footnotes (A few more footnotes in the Honours section would be nice, though.), and with no problems identified by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 14:04, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I might have some concerns with "Honours" section (regarding citations) but this is easily fixable and this article is ready to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Vladimir Zelenko

 * Comment There is a CN in the personal life section, as well as some concerns with WP:WEIGHT (with the most of article dedicating to COVID-19 claims), given the controversial topic being involved. This article could be ready to go but I want to see this being resolved first. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I removed the unsourced sentence, as I couldn't find anything about Zelenko being a Haredi orthodox Jew, although many sources do mention he was an orthodox Jew. Second, I do not believe there are any issues with WP:WEIGHT, most coverage about this person relates to COVID. Do you have any ideas for dealing with this? -- VersaceSpace  🌃 16:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've read the policy, actually it is fair because of what had been represented in most reliable coverage about the subject, my mistake. The idea is to keep it mostly what it is, but with some notes below. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Issues are mostly resolved though I recommend to keep an eye on undue weight or non-neutral viewpoints. I have checked this with Earwig and there is not much issues. Overall though, the article is good enough to qualify for RD. MarioJump83 (talk) 16:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:00, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joe Turkel

 * Long enough to qualify (400+ words of prose), with no concerns regarding formatting and the deployment of footnotes, and with nothing wrong found by Earwig, this wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 03:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support This article is ready to go. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support A Shining example of a RD complete with updates and cites.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:38, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard Taruskin

 * Support Article is in good shape and well sourced. Grimes2 (talk) 11:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 16:04, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We have now a Tim Page obit and what Brachmann wrote in FAZ. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 08:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Chief Executive of Hong Kong

 * Comment Glad to see the proposed blurb doesn't include that awkward word "elected". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But this transfer of power is the result of an election, just not a free one. Regardless I feel like the election itself would have been the bigger news story, and that got turned down from ITN because it was a sub-national one. (Even if WP:ITN/R guidelines allow for the posting of election results in dependant territories). 🌈 <span style="background:linear-gradient(to top,#808,#DAD,blue,green,#FF0,#fA0,red,#800);border-radius:1em"> 4🧚‍♂am KING  👑 21:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The election itself might have been the bigger news story if it had involved more than one candidate. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * oppose a non-election with no candidate field is basically like promoting an actual business CEO or homeowners association President (though that has an election...) and hardly news worthy, much less main page newsworthy. <span style="color: white; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(red, orange, green, blue, indigo, violet)">PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Support Taiwan we've posted other not-a-country elections like Taiwan but we should call it what it was: an election. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's call it a selection -- that would be more accurate. -- Sca (talk) 22:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope you're not being serious with that comparison. The Kip (talk) 23:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Calling a spade a spade. Cf. Martin 's comments above. -- Sca (talk) 14:22, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Calling it anything else than an election - which objectively what happened regardless of the politics around it or the lack of candidates or how it was handled - is an NPOV violation. The issue with the "election" can be included in the article proper (with proper sourcing and attribution). M asem (t) 14:25, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Reality shouldn't be ignored. Wiktionary:
 * (1) A process of choosing a leader, members of parliament, councillors or other representatives by popular vote.
 * (2) The choice of a leader or representative by popular vote.
 * -- Sca (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah, just like that 1989 incident of mindless tank damage. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Subnational and not particularly notable. The Kip (talk) 23:13, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment as nominator. There is precedent for placing the HK CE in ITN, as this was done for the previous CE [_Hong_Kong_Chief_Executive_election]]. There also seemed to be a degree of consensus in the nomination for the election results, given that an "attention needed" tag was placed on the nomination. [] Carter00000 (talk) 05:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Just like the old proverb... "Nothing succeeds like (wholly undemocratic forced totalitarian) success"? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Parochial. Lacks general significance. Little or nothing will change. – Sca (talk) 14:24, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We cannot consider this as an election or notable. Alex-h (talk) 16:01, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support He ran unopposed in the 2022 Hong Kong Chief Executive election (added an altblurb linking to it), but it was a transfer of power nonetheless, and there's precedent for posting about Hong Kong. I ask the oppose !voters to avoid arguments about the election being undemocratic in nature. Most countries that have elections aren't actually democracies, but we still post about their so-called elections. See also: Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Russia, etc. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 21:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: 2022 Hong Kong Chief Executive election took place two months ago and too long ago to be considered current enough for posting on ITN (within 7 days or less). Please consider a focus on the change in leadership, which just happened days ago. --PFHLai (talk) 21:39, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's true, we could instead bold John Lee instead of bolding the election. We could also mention his government or include a mention of him being the only China-approved candidate. I'd still want to include a link to the election article in the blurb as it's relevant to his succession of Carrie Lam. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS"><b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 22:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, either would be more current. The rest of the blurb, well, my suggestion would be keeping it simple and concise on MainPage. Save the details in the article. Getting into a protracted debate about choice of vocabulary in the blurb may mean that a consensus can't be reached before eligibility runs out. Good luck. --PFHLai (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment as nominator. Suggest that we could also bold the office/title as an alternative. This would preclude mentioning of the election, given that it has passed already.
 * Comment as nominator.  Pinging users who may be interested in supporting. Carter00000 (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Sigh... FYI, your pinging may be biased, bordering on votestacking/campaigning. Be mindful of WP:CANVAS. – robertsky (talk) 06:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Noted on the relevant policy, and will be mindful of WP:CANVAS in future.
 * Pinging other users who may be interested in expressing their views as per previous ITN nomination. Carter00000 (talk) 06:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Randomly pinging people because you think they might vote for it is annoying. If I wanted to vote on this, I would have done so already, I don't appreciate being randomly pinged about tbis. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * You need not ping me, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ITN doesn't post subnational elections unless something truly unusual's happened, and ITN doesn't ever post post-election inaugurations. There's no reason for this to be an exception on either count.  Oppose. —Cryptic 06:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose it's standard to post the election, not the succession. Banedon (talk) 06:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * As Sca points out, someone may need to "adjust" the definition election. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Regardless of the legitimacy of the "election", this is sub-national. I'm pretty sure, for example, that if Mark Drakeford resigned tomorrow and was replaced by another MS, we wouldn't post it. Black Kite (talk) 09:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose A token handover (hate to use that word in relation to HK) to a hand picked politician who was not elected is not what we usually do. Not to mention that sub-national leaders don't normally get covered here either, same as we don't feature every time they change the Governor of Gibraltar for example.  The C of E God Save the Queen!  ( talk ) 09:50, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment – Consensus against. Ain't gonna fly. – Sca (talk) 12:32, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Given the events of Hong Kong in recent years, unfortunately this leadership handover, unlike the Yair Lapid one, is not going to be that consequential. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not an election, not a sovereign country, only de jure self-rule but de facto a Chinese government official nominated to a province. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Technoblade

 * Why am I mentioned here? V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 08:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, meets criteria for RD, but it could be improved a little bit (and this article got a lot of attention). Personally seeing this news is shocking. MarioJump83 (talk) 08:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment are there no coverage of the subject before mid-2021? Juxlos (talk) 10:17, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There has been. See the article for examples of 2021 sources. V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 10:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, very well known personality with (now) plenty of reliable sources. Sad that so many of those sources only exist as a result of his death and as a result we have an article now but couldn't justify one while he was alive. <b style="color:#98F">W</b><b style="color:#97E">a</b><b style="color:#86D">g</b><b style="color:#75C">ge</b><b style="color:#83C">r</b><b  style="color:#728">s</b><small  style="color:#080">TALK  11:19, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It definitely is sad. That seems to be the way, sometimes.  The SandDoctor  Talk 17:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support May be biased as a main contributor of the article, but he is a popular internet personality (his death was #1 trending on YT) and there are plenty of sources now (plus suggested sources from 2021). Also for the other reasons above. V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 11:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, notable personality. Surprised that the article has only just been created, Technoblade was listed on the Dream SMP article since 2021, and seems as notable on his own as a Minecraft player and youtuber. Very sad. Salpynx (talk) 12:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, with his death being #1 on YouTube trending, I want to pay my respects all to him and his family, it has to be hard times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preston52110 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality the article is correctly orange-tagged as needing expansion. Article quality is the only consideration for posting on RD, and this article is too short and non comprehensive. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 12:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pardon my ignorance, but is this about a real person? – Sca (talk) 13:23, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, "Technoblade" was his online pseudonym. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 14:54, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. – Sca (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose The page is very NSFW due to extensive vandalism. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Looking at the recent history, I'm only seeing one account adding nonsense, and someone has blocked that. While "stability" should be there, we discount vandalism as a quality issue since that's beyond normal editing control. (Obviously, vandalism needs to be removed before posting). --M asem (t) 13:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * article is now ECP. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 15:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's my impression that the topic will tend to attract especially sophisticated and motivated vandals. And I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing turns out to be an attention-seeking hoax.  We don't need this aggravation. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * We have RSes like the BBC reporting on this, and given the video statement from his father, it is very very very unlikely this is a hoax. We should not presume anything like that given the source quality. If it was only coming out of a source like dotesports.com, yes, I would be potentially suspicious as well, but that's not here in this case. --M asem (t) 17:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing why this should be treated any differently from anyone else we've put here, just because they have a large online presence shouldn't discourage us from giving them tribute here, nor does it give us the right to speculate if the person is pulling a hoax (which judging by the evidence doesn't seem to be the case). Captain  Galaxy  18:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The BBC says "Little is known about Technoblade, who kept his true identity concealed until the end". This still sounds fake. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? He was a YouTuber, not a member of the civil service. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:19, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought." We work with reliable sources -- such as the one you're using in that comment which talks about it as genuine -- not on editors' vague hunches. Strewth. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 22:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality. Subpar sourcing and orange tagged. No opposition to it going onto the main page after this is resolved. Anarchyte  ( talk ) 15:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is no longer orange tagged and sources have improved to include The Washington Post among other RS. Could you please take another look? The SandDoctor  Talk 16:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support one unsourced claim which could use either citation or removal pending such cite, but otherwise just fine. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:17, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Much of the article is cited to secondary sources, but those sources are only repeating the subject's claims with attribution to him. This is problematic given the subject has admitted to providing false information. Even his name "Alexander" is not cited.  GreatCaesarsGhost   15:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * His name is cited in the article and coverage has expanded to include CNN, The Washington Post, NBC, Kotaku, etc. The SandDoctor  Talk 17:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - on notability. CR-1-AB (talk) 15:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not a policy-based vote: Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Technoblade is notable on a higher degree. CR-1-AB (talk) 17:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The fact that Technoblade is notable on a higher or any degree is not relevant when it comes to !voting Support or Oppose for RD noms here on ITN/C. Focus on article quality and MainPage readiness, please. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support I think I am satisfied with the progress that has been made on the article over the past day. Looks ready to go. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment there's quite a bit of chat about sourcing/WP:SYNTH on the talkpage. We shouldn't post this unless there's consensus that the article is fine for that, otherwise it violates article quality requirement for ITN. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The only talk of synth on the talk page was me clarifying a policy misunderstanding another editor had and that section has been resolved. It appears that sourcing concerns raised on the talk page have been resolved? The SandDoctor  Talk 16:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose — Many problems persist on this article. Until the article reaches C-class, oppose. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 16:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not unprecedented for start-class articles to be posted to ITN. The SandDoctor  Talk 16:33, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * C-class is not considered a requirement for posting. WaltCip- (talk)  17:02, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * C-class is not a requirement for ITN, but this article needs copyediting and checks for flow to be free from WP:RECENTISM. Once those issues are fixed, support. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:35, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * An article does not need a copyedit to go RD, and considering this article has received a massive amount of quality changes only recently I don't think it needs it. Not to mention, despite the entire creation of the article spawning from his death, recentism is not an issue here as there is enough cited information about his career to counterweight information about his death. Captain  Galaxy  22:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I concur with here. The pushback that this has been getting is just bizarre and largely, at least for the latter comments, unfounded.  The SandDoctor  Talk 01:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment For those who still oppose based on quality, can you provide some issues the article still has? I'm more than willing to work on the article more if that is what is necessary. The discussions regarding synth and unreliable sources have been resolved already and there are no maintenance tags. Link20XX (talk) 16:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support No significant tags and over-the-top attention among the MC community (including me).
 *  interstate five   16:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - Article is well sourced, no major problems. Yee no   (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Not seeing any underlying or obvious quality issues that should discredit this article. With all issues seemingly resolved, I see no problem in posting this now. Captain  Galaxy  17:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support I do not see a problem with this article being posted now as its issues seem to be resolved. Good work to all those who have edited to address them. -- The SandDoctor Talk 18:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I totally agree. The main issues surrounding the article and being debated seem to have been resolved. Johnson524 (talk) 18:31, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose for my usual reason in these cases (with due deference to any friends or relatives); if they weren't notable enough to have an article while they were alive (and therefore would fail the RD rules), dying doesn't push them over the line. And, er, oh yeah - I don't like to mention this, but he's faked his death before (please let this not be the case this time, if you know what I mean). Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Faked his death before? Can you tell me more about this, say by linking to something reliable? A diehard editor (talk | edits) 18:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The lack of an article before does not imply notability only related to death. A subject's death, however, may encourage the creation of an article. In this case in specific, there was a "Technoblade" draft already present when the target article was created, it simply lacked enough information to be published. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The sudden ease of source availability (read: front page stuff) and the widespread coverage that this has received would also presumably incentivize participation and work on improving the article, as happens elsewhere on the 'pedia. The SandDoctor  Talk 18:44, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That is also an admittedly bizarre accusation to make (that this is faked) without any proof as noted further up. That's like an WP:OR version of WP:CRYSTAL, if that's even possible. It isn't one or two RSes that would be being duped right now, but dozens.  The SandDoctor  Talk 18:41, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I remember this sentiment regarding Kevin Samuels which didn't have an article in Wikipedia prior to his death - sans faking his death. MarioJump83 (talk) 02:00, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment very disturbing to read those curious users who are claiming (using their own original research I assume) that this is a hoax when RS like BBC, CNN, Varsity, Sky News, ABC, Yahoo etc are all reporting this death. Also curious to see some users suggesting we don't post items on the main page in case they attract unwanted attention.  This place.... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:57, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * It's almost certainly not a hoax, you are right; but let's face it, this is a guy whose full name we dont even know... Black Kite (talk) 18:58, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of this guy before, but I looked through the r/technoblade subreddit yesterday, and a few eagle-eyed fans spotted an obituary with his full name that appeared in a local newspaper before his death was officially announced. While obviously not WP:RS, that's enough to make the chances of this being a hoax 0%. Nohomersryan (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The news is being reported in multiple RS across the world. That his article is new isn't relevant.  Plus perhaps those surprised we don't know his real name are from a "certain generation" who aren't used to the idea of people on YouTube operating their entire careers under a pseudonym.... The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Notable, seems to be of ok quality, rest in peace Alex. Diverging Diamond (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment - People, respectable people, are claiming this might be a hoax? Seriously? Gosh, why even post any death at all on ITN then, if we are going to apply the same logic that we use for sports retirements. Unbelievable. WaltCip- (talk)  20:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support. Very clearly legitimate:
 * Some of Tech's closest friends such as Dream have acknowledged the death on Twitter and the hashtag #technobladeneverdies is currently trending on that platform.
 * On Reddit, multiple threads have been made about his death, such as on r/MinecraftMemes, r/DreamWasTaken, r/HypixelSkyblock, and many other subreddits.
 * On the server Hypixel, there is a tribute where players can add their signatures, as stated by the server owner himself.
 * Besides all of this, the article has solid sources, no obviously glaring problems (as far as I'm concerned), and I can definitely see this on the front page considering how much of a ripple this event has caused over the Internet.
 * 172.112.210.32 (talk) 22:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support I'm shocked this hasn't been posted yet. Sure, article is new, but the guy was part of the most popular Minecraft series on Twitch and he had 10 million subscribers at the time of his death. + #technobladeneverdies and other Technoblade related phrases have been trending on Twitter all day and the BBC, CNN and the NYT all are reporting this.  KingOf AllThings  (thou shalt chatter!) 00:59, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Article quality has definitely improved, can't see any major issues XxLuckyCxX (talk) 01:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Article quality is good, long enough, well cited, and respectful as regards to the subject's family. RIP. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 02:29, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Not much to add, I think it's great how quickly the article has improved from nothing to something, and I'm proud of all the editors who've worked so hard on this. PantheonRadiance (talk) 02:48, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Pull and send to WP:AFD Classic WP:NOTNEWS violation, also see WP:109PAPERS and WP:LASTING, of which this article has none. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 22:29, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
 * IP can, by all means, AFD this. But the "109" examples is bullshit, this individual's death and prior notability is easily established through the myriad RS here.  Next. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 00:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's not feed the trolls. --PFHLai (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Tjahjo Kumolo

 * Support Notable person in my country, I have heard him in the news from TV for quite a while long before his death. I have checked the sourcing and the article is fine. MarioJump83 (talk) 08:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Notable minister and figure. I support his article to be listed on recent death list. ~ Mmnashrullah (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - the line "served two terms in the DPR between 1987 and 1997" - needs a cite. Once that's fixed, good to go for RD. I wouldn't support a blurb though. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Fixed (cited in body). Juxlos (talk) 10:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Yair Lapid becomes Prime Minister of Israel

 * Comment I'm not sure how to handle this. Maybe treat it like an election, where the government has been changed? But, he wasn't elected. Netanyahu was elected, then they ousted him, then Bennett came along and now Lapid's in power. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 02:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose We essentially already posted this last June. We made Naftali Bennett the target article, but all relevant articles were clear on the wacky terms of this government and who was the alternate prime minister. It's still the 36th session, this is just a tag. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - Fine maybe this time I won't put my comment. CR-1-AB (talk) 04:22, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you need a rationale, though, if you actually want to seem supportive. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:30, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support New PM along with a dissolution of gov't is pretty news/blurb worthy in my book. Overall state of Lapid's article is pretty good too. I've also replaced the blurb image since its nominated for speedy deletion. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Change in head of government is usually always notable. The Kip (talk) 06:42, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Run-of-the-mill notability, somewhat comparable to Boris Johnson or Xi Jinping (technically). Juxlos (talk) 07:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose on quality four citation needed tags, and a few clarification needed tags. Should hopefully be easy to fix, but would be good to fix them before posting. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 08:28, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Changing heads of government is generally significant. MarioJump83 (talk) 08:51, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Posted. I fixed up the four citation-needed tags that were there, otherwise good to go per above consensus and ITN/R. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:25, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So much for the "except when that change was already posted as part of a general election" exception. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)