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(Posted) RD: Marian Robinson
– Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, I don't see any major problems with this article. KConWiki (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks alright to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 02:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alexander Lang
German actor and director. Needs more work. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose there are four cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 02:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Five now. Aydoh8 (talk &#124; contribs) 02:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Six.  Schwede 66  20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I didn't have time for him yet, and think it was nominated prematurely. I just gave it a copy-edit, and will look for the referencing later today. Feeling like an updater already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please check again, PrinceofPunjab, Aydoh8, Schwede66. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted –  Schwede 66  20:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Robert Pickton
Looks fine. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support It didn't look fine to me when I checked, but looks fine enough now (for a disgusting story, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support absolutely disgusted by this person but article is in a good shape.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 02:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * One of my closest friends going back nearly 20 years&mdash;a man who has always been among the least judgmental people you could possibly imagine, who strives to see the good in everybody&mdash;said at the time of sentencing (ca. 2007) that he was "disgusted" by what Pickton did. That is the only time I can recall him ever using such a strong word to describe his feelings towards anyone. Kurtis (talk) 11:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Speaking only for my own usually thick skin and unusually strong stomach, I should maybe be clear that I dropped the D-bomb for more than just Pickton and his multiple unchecked murders most foul. The early life and education here are shit. The drug and sex parties are depraved and harmful as a matter of course. The pig farming methods are casually inhumane. The way the Mounties always seem to shrug off missing and murdered indigenous women (even when they were called worse) is reprehensible. That day parole was even considered makes the whole penal system look broken and that the basic Hammurabic justice devoid in the first place was once again left in the hands of an unelected and unappointed sociopath afforded only the most primitive cleaning supplies is "problematic" at best. There are darker details, still, but they're too much for present company. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Support&mdash;Well-written, well-sourced, and a dark blight on Canada's recent history that merits being known about. Kurtis (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Geneviève de Galard
Needs a little work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose there are some cn tags that needs to be resolved.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 02:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Four {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Drew Gordon
In solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ready article is in a very good shape therefore marking it ready.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 02:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there a source for the stats tables, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've added NBA.com as a source for the North American stats. Is there a source for stats from his playing days in Europe? --PFHLai (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @PFHLai: basketball-reference.com is a good reference, and has been added. —Bagumba (talk) 19:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Unreferenced DoB.  Schwede 66  20:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * @Schwede66: Now sourced. —Bagumba (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted –  Schwede 66  01:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Donald Trump found guilty
BilledMammal (talk) 21:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support This is most certainly in the news. This is the first time a former U.S President has been found guilty of felony charges and is a very notable event. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ach, beat me to it. I was going to boast about being the first vote to my grandkids.  Bremps  ...  21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ) Lukt64 (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support First criminal conviction of a U.S. President. Article quality is good.  Bremps  ...  21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Obvious notability. The   Kip  (contribs) 21:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support History making event. Prefer alt blurb.yorkshiresky (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support to quote the great contemporary philosopher Billie E.P.B. O'Connell, duh. Sceptre (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alt2 per (gestures vaguely at everything) — python coder (talk &#124; contribs) 21:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alt2 per pythoncoder. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 21:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support alt2 This is very important news. I believe ITN reports when a current/former head of state/government of a nation is convicted of a crime. The alt2 blurb also sounds the most "ITN" out of all of the blurbs.
 * Djprasadian (talk) 21:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted in 21 minutes. Is that a record? Lukt64 (talk) 21:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * What about Queen Elizabeth's death? Kevinishere15 (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That was 6 minutes. Nevermind. Lukt64 (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support notability per Bremps, maybe wait a little for article to settle down a bit? Might be worth it to wait for whatever reactions come from Trump and other involved parties before posting. Star action  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We already have a separate article for that: Reactions to the prosecution of Donald Trump in New York. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Concur with this, article will almost certainly have some back-and-forths going on. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Post-posting support even though I think it shouldn't have been posted this quickly. While I don't think convictions of heads of state/government should be ITNR, I do think they're generally pretty newsworthy. (And didn't we have another one earlier this year?) GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Stormy times for The Donald. Have just the cortege live on TV. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * you missed a good opportunity to blue link Stormy to Stormy Daniels Lukt64 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How embarrassing. My apologies. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Shucks. US$130,000 and you don't even get golden rain.


 * Post-posting comment the New York, USA part is redundant as it already said he was the POTUS. Just say New York.
 * Jbvann05 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support this has made front-page headlines on multiple news sites. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd just be very amused if we don't put this on the front page for a day or so, and let "Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad" stay at the top for a while. What are the odds Sunil Narine would ever be on the front page again? DS (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment remember that while a likely near majority of us are elated by this news, we still must handle it's writing and application impartially and neutrally, meaning it should not be getting special attention at ITN outside of its posting in the standard ITN process. M asem (t) 22:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Blurb missing "all" Seems that most sources headline that he was guilty on all 34 counts.—Bagumba (talk) 23:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support&mdash;Obviously. And I agree with Bagumba that we ought to mention the fact that Trump was convicted on every single count for which he stood trial. Kurtis (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support adding "all" per Bagumba. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 23:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support for the record. Historically important and being covered worldwide. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment should (question here, not a requirement) be saying that these are falsifying records as part of his 2016 election campaign? For our non-US readers that do not understand why this state-level charge of doing bad business has significant consequences. --M asem (t) 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Good idea, assuming it doesn't make the blurb too long. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 00:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, we'd need to stay concise M asem (t) 00:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That seems like a good idea. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 02:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support Historic and significant. Minimal explanation is needed to elaborate. -TenorTwelve (talk) 02:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Post-posting support per above.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting support for adding "all" as per Bagumba and Chaotic Enby. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment is it typical of ITN to post political court rulings before the appeal phase? 188.26.145.178 (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * A jury verdict is actually not considered a "court ruling", but with respect to precedent, we posted in December 2010 immediately following the conviction of former President of Israel Moshe Katsav on rape, obstruction of justice, and like charges. BD2412  T 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And in nearly all cases where we have posted a conviction, we know appeals will be attempted and all that. If there is a change of the conviction after the fact (and that depends on the situation) we would likely post that. M asem (t) 16:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Larry R. Hicks
A very run-of-the-mill example of a modern United States federal judge. BD2412 T 02:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Fixed up the article a bit, expanded lead. Looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article look sready.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard Ellis (biologist)

 * Oppose Article is a stub and needs ref work. Weak support I feel like the article just barely isn't a stub/covers the bear minimum. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment/Support I have rewritten and expanded the article to make it more acceptable for ITN. Should be good enough now. Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is in a good shape now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bob Rogers

 * Weak oppose Unsourced section and some cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose some cn tags and Radio career section is unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Margot Benacerraf
Venezuelan film director. Considered one of the most important filmmakers in the country, recipient of a Cannes Award in 1959. NoonIcarus (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose need for additional sourcing.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment There was only a single cn tag when I checked the articles. Said tag has been fixed now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article meets bare minimum requirement.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 12:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Unreferenced date of birth. Stub tag will have to be removed before it can go onto the main page.  Schwede 66  21:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added a citation (reused) for the date of birth. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Stub tag removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * This wikibio currently has only 274 words of prose and could use a sentence or two to make it less stubby and more comfortably in Start class. Perhaps something on her early life and education? It says in the intro that she is of Moroccan Jewish descent, but this needs a mention in the main prose with a REF. I can only confirm that she is of Jewish origin from the El Pais and El Diario REFs, but not the Moroccan part.  The intro also mentions that she was "one of the first Latin American filmmakers to ...", which also needs a mention in the main prose with a REF. I could only confirmed which schools she attended from the same REFs and the Cocuyo REF, not the "one of the first" part. Perhaps it says so in another REF? Anyway, listing UCV, Columbia and IDHEC and spelling out the names of these schools, plus dates, etc. should make the wikibio long enough. --PFHLai (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The wikibio now has 330 words of prose, after the subject's education is added to the main prose, and is long enough to qualify. Can the intro get fixed up, please? Details mentioned in the intro should be backed up in the main prose with REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the last improvements. I have rewritten the lead to fix the verifiability issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for fixing the intro. Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain
The previous nomination (from May 22) was closed because the event hadn't happened yet. Mika1h (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Sufficient update in terms of the added table parameters and details on diplomatic foreign relations with Ireland. Decent article that is maintained. Kingsif (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability, although only the table has been updated and I would like to see prose about it. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 22:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Relevant table has been updated. The article does not include individual prose for each country that recognizes Palestine - the updates to the article seem sufficient Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Even though this is covered by ongoing, it is notable enough to merit its own blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose They’re neither the first EU/NATO states (most of Eastern Europe) nor the first “western” states (Sweden, Iceland) to do so, and none of them (except debatably Spain) are major regional/international powers in the same way as the USA, Germany, or France (whose recognition I probably will support when it happens). I don’t really see how this is especially notable as a result, beyond the context of the war, at which point it becomes a question of whether it overrrides the ongoing item, and (perhaps somewhat circularly of me) for the reasons previously stated I don’t really think it does. The   Kip  (contribs) 00:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good enough, plus given the current climate surrounding Palestine/Israel conflict, this does have some more 'heft' to it. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per The Kip. I get the point that this was done by three countries at once in response to Israel's mishandling of the war against Hamas, but countries recognise the State of Palestine all the time in support of the two-state solution (for instance, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and The Bahamas have very recently done it). A total of 145 out of 193 UN member states have recognised the State of Palestine, and these are no firsts in any category.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Slovenia’s also in the process of recognition as of today. The   Kip  (contribs) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as before and a certain step towards two-state solution. Brandmeistertalk  07:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Really? Out of all the countries that recognise the State of Palestine these three are the 'certain step towards a two-state solution'? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In my humble opinion, even if lasting peace is light years away. Others may disagree. Brandmeistertalk  08:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose – I'm not seeing any prose update describing this event. Significance is not made clear in the article; how are governments responding to this? ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 09:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose No significant update – just some entries in a long table. Also, as this seems to be mainly a political gesture rather than having some significant effect on the ground, I reckon it's just one of many daily events covered by our Ongoing entry for the war. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, if there's not actual prose added describing the event, how is it considered significant enough to be ITN? It's a big deal but we already feature the Israel-Hamas War on the page and I don't see this as a significant change to the status quo, and if it is I have not seen adequate justification for that. Lunsel (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support A significant unified front taking a notable step towards the recognition of Palestine. It is notable especially because the holdouts have been from “the west” and these countries are from “the west.” Admittedly, it was only 3. But this does create momentum for Palestinian statehood even if it will be years or decades.-TenorTwelve (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * They’re not the first western states to do so, though - Sweden and Iceland beat them to that punch years ago. The   Kip  (contribs) 03:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Soon to be 4, with Slovenia, which can be taken as more evidence of momentum. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 09:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per The Kip, they are not the first western countries to recognize the Palestinian Statehood.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I know last time this came up, I opposed on CRYSTAL. But I still am not convinced its major enough to justify being in ITN as above states, other countries already did this before and I think its generally already covered by the ongoing conflict coverage.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 09:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Weak support on principle, oppose on lack of update. We can't post every country that recognises Palestine, and there isn't a clear 'first' in this case. Nevertheless it has garnered a lot more media attention than almost every other recognition in that table. So in principle I think this is postable. However is right - there's no prose update in the article, only table entries. We need at least a paragraph of referenced prose about these developments. Modest Genius talk 12:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We can’t just put stuff for ITN just because a country recognized another country. 48JCL TALK  16:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

2024 Georgian protests

 * Support has been preceded by notable protests, fits ITNR Ion.want.uu (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability, but the protest article needs just a few more fixes (four cn paragraphs in the Russia and US reaction sections, some proseline issues). For people using cite highlighters like me, note that some sources show up as unreliable even though they might not be, as the Facebook share link of the sources got archived instead for some reason. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, this is domestic politics with no major international impact. Secondly, if there were mass-scale protests and people really condemn the bill, they could vote against the ruling political parties on the parliamentary election later this year to change the political climate. That’s how it works in a democratic country, which Georgia pretends to be. Thirdly, the wording of the blurb with “controversial Russian-modelled” is very confusing (Did Russian officials participate in the proposal?) and not neutral. Fourthly, posting this implies that we should consider posting the potential repeal of the law in the near future if the composition of the parliament changes, which would be too much navel-gazing on a topic within a single country. In general, we don’t post such events. Protests always have the potential to merit inclusion in case they escalate, but this is still not it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please reread WP:ITNCDONT.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 23:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It quite clearly means it's modelled on a Russian law, not that Russians had any direct involvement. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even if it's modelled on a Russian law, this is an event with a minor impact in global politics, and "controversial" isn't a word that should be included in a blurb. Wikipedia should remain impartial. There are hundreds of similar laws around the globe which push countries closer to Russia, China, the United States or any other global player. I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If people are protesting the law it is evidently controversial... Traumnovelle (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Those people can punish the governing parties on the parliamentary election later this year. That’s how democracy works. The protests have potential for posting if they turn violent with casualties or end up in a change of government, and the law itself has potential if international sanctions are imposed against the Georgian government, but the events have clearly not reached that state yet. A milder way to oppose this would be to wait how things develop in the coming days. Otherwise, a law on NGOs resulting in mass-scale protests is very much a run-of-the-mill event, especially in times when we have major ongoing armed conflicts.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It has major international impact in light of EU enlargement and the threat of Russian aggression. This law has put Georgia away from the EU membership they have been striving for until now and back into the arms of Russia, who still occupy 1/3 of the country. The fact that several heads of state as well as international organisation have widely commented on this repeatedly reflects this. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Georgia's accession to the EU would increase its population by 0.83 per cent, area by 1.65 per cent, GDP by 0.18 per cent, and would reduce its GDP per capita by 0.65 per cent. That's all but definitely not a major impact. Furthermore, it won't happen in foreseeable future given that there have been candidate countries for more than 20 years now. Also, if you take a look at the opinion polls on this year's parliamentary election, it doesn't seem likely that the ruling party will lose and the government will change. So, it literally boils down to whether these protests can overturn the government and/or something big happens in the country's international relations (e.g. imposing of international sanctions). As it stands, there are no signs for that happening other than diplomatic notes, but we can wait to see how the story unfolds further.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's the closest transcontinental country to EU membership, polling in Georgia has EU accession at 80% support levels consistently. The protests have been huge given the relatively small population, consistent, long-term and widespread; the 2023 protests were successful at the time; this time time will tell but inclusion on ITN is not solely based its success rate. Every major news outlet in most countries has covered this, which is rare given it's a small far-flung state for most, nearly all top politicians in the EU, Russia and US have commented or are monitoring the developments. I think given Russia's increasing influence Georgia is seem as a litmus test for many, so it is hugely important geo-politically. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm still not entirely sure what kind of protests are considered notable enough for inclusion on ITN. Does it have to have a death toll? Does it have to lead to regime change? Obviously, we can't predict the latter, so it remains vague Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I was pinged, but I'll only make this one reply as it seems this back-and-forth is long enough already. Re: "I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT" Because your first and foremost argument against posting was that you believe this story only affects one country and has no international impact. WP:ITNCDONT clearly outlines this is not an acceptable reason to oppose. "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive." I was going to argue against the idea that there's "no international impact" to what's going on in Georgia right now when the geopolitical implications seem fairly obvious, but doing so would be besides the point. Even if I agreed that this story is only related to Georgia alone, that's not a valid reason to oppose it. That is why I asked that you reread WP:ITNCDONT.  Vanilla  Wizard  💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You’re clearly overreacting here and hanging on to my argument on the limited impact of this event. Please read my other arguments and the whole discussion before rules-lawyering. In general, we don’t post protests, unless they turn violent or result in major changes. Furthermore, the Georgian government began normalising the relations with Russia when they lifted the sanctins and re-introduced air travel between the two countries last year. This law is relatively insignificant compared to what was happening over the past year, but people get deluded that this is a break-even point because of the protests (there are always protests when authorities clamp down on the NGO sector, but that doesn’t imply any greater significance).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * just cos we haven’t done it before doesn’t mean we don’t do it now Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support It's notable enough, especially with the EU and USA reaction. Should the bill pass, which it looks like GD will do everything in their power to do so, then that effectively scuttles any and all chances of Georgia approaching the west or having friendly relations with the EU, which has stated this will kill their EU membership bid, and the US said if it passes it will warrant sanctions on Georgian leadership. Scu ba (talk) 05:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose The article is pretty hard to read, grammatically, narratively and organizationally. Longer than it has to be, too. I don't think many people going in without a prior understanding of the plot are going to leave with one, either, just "plenty of snippets" and disjointed parablocks (chunky pseudographs). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The article is a mess, and the update given by the blurb is a whole two sentences. The bill itself likely needs to be its own thing from the protests, and that's going to be a lot of work. --M asem (t) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality and it's just a domestic thing, not really ITN worthy (maybe good for ongoing though for the protests?) Sharrdx (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ongoing means there would be several blurb-worthy (or close to blurb-worthy) updates, so that's an even higher bar to clear. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 18:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability, oppose on quality Very much in the news, I feel like I've been seeing an endless stream of new articles about it even though Georgia isn't exactly a country I'd expect to see nonstop news about. It definitely has major geopolitical implications, but I'd also like to remind some editors that it also doesn't need to in order to be notable enough for ITN. As for quality: the page isn't unsalvageable, but it definitely needs some work. It doesn't take a lot of skimming to find some confusingly written sentences that were probably translated very roughly from Georgian. I'd say most of the article is okay (or at least intelligible) but I'd like to see some improvements made before posting. <b style="background-color:#07d;color:#FFF"> Vanilla </b><b style="background-color:#749;color:#FFF"> Wizard </b></b> 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality as the article needs work for readability. Support on notability, but oppose current blurb - IMO the protests should be the focus, not the law itself. The   Kip  (contribs) 01:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Re-opened the consensus currently is that notability is supported but quality is opposed; I cannot see why this nomination should be closed when there is chance this can be improved still. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) People's Majlis
The parliament with most members in the Maldivian history with an amount of 93 and People's National Congress has a super majority with 75 members making an history. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not an ITNR, the election was last month. The inauguration or taking of the oath of office is rarely considered significant enough for a blurb if the election was already reported. --M asem (t) 11:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Estreyeria (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Masem. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 19:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Masem. The   Kip  (contribs) 19:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Sadly, looking in the archives for April, we missed the election itself. Chaotic Enby   (talk · contribs) 20:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose On technical grounds, the article nominated isn't even included in the proposed blurbs.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 07:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's the first link. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even so, the oppose still stands as there are too many uncited sections anyway.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 08:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Alan Choe
Singaporean architect and urban planner. Ktin (talk) 20:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support there are no apparent issues wit the article.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 02:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Elizabeth MacRae
American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose The article's body isn't bad in terms of sourcing, just one cn tag overall. However the filmography section is unsourced and needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No {cn} tags remaining, but the Filmography section has remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bette Nash
World's longest serving flight attendent.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 17:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Short but apparently well-cited. ❤History  Theorist❤  00:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support hesitantly. It's a start-class, not a stub, so it's presentable on the main page.  Bremps  ...  02:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Going for Great. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:31, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article could be longer, but looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support for the same reason as  Bremps . Highresheadphones (talk) 16:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Stephen 01:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bill Walton
– Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support Awards section lacks inline citation, but most of it is cited in the prose.  GreatCaesarsGhost   19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support updated and sourced some things. I do see two citation needed tags, but they are likely sourced within the next sentence. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support<sub style="border:1px solid #FFCC00;"> pbp 00:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - Impressed with this article & its excellent and thorough sourcing. But I agree that the Awards section lacks inline citations at this point (as GreatCaesarsGhost mentions above), but as soon as this section is corroborated it should be Ready to post. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I added inline citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you, good work. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Sufficient sourcing and quality.—Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hugues Gall
Influential director of the Paris Opera, with an obit from the President. The article was there with many names of other positions. It has now music, but I couldn't find refs for all these many other positions, - commented out. The Paris Opera was key. Additions and corrections by native speakers of French might help. I noticed his death on 27 May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Support As usual, the article looks great. Ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard Mazza
Vermont politician. Obituary published 26 May. Thriley (talk) 03:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Short but well-cited. ❤History  Theorist❤  00:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 01:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Indy 500
Josef Newgarden, once again wins the Indy 500, I didn't watch the race, apparently another last lap pass? But, he gets it 2 in a row. Altblurb is for if we should mention it. User:TheBlueSkyClub (Talk) 00:30, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support Would like to see more expansive sourcing in the "Summary" bullets, rather than just one tag at the end of the paragraph(s), but otherwise seems good to go. Good amount of prose regarding the race itself. The   Kip  (contribs) 05:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support looks good enough, decent summary of the race and all the other preceding action, and more than good enough sourcing. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is very extensive and is in a great shape.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alternate blurb as it seems relevant to mention he got two in a row. Tableguy28 (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment There are reference gaps all over the article. Length doesn’t imply good shape.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * When you tagged the article, you added tags to sections which already have multiple references? I don't understand this oppose anymore. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  15:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s a comment, not an oppose vote.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alt blurb - Article is tagless &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  02:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * oppose pet Kiril. Not ready yet. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There are a lot of sources, but there are equally a significant amount of statements which lack them. Black Kite (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support original blurb (oppose altblurb). The article is comprehensive and has ample prose updates. Yes the referencing isn't perfect, but it more than meets ITN standards - we're not demanding Featured Article level. Seems ready to me. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No, we're not, but there's a whacking great paragraph ("Race Background") that is practically unsourced (as is the "Race statistics" table, but that shouldn't be too difficult). Black Kite (talk) 18:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's an issue with editors copying without attribution, not a WP:V issue. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  22:51, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now that I'm back home, I've further trimmed some bloat and added the missing ref in the section in concern. I genuinely don't know what more you guys want. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  04:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Looks ready to me, the referencing issues raised above have been fixed. Tagging this nomination as such. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. A couple more things need citing, but sufficient update that it's fine to post. Good work everyone. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 IIHF World Championship
Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality as the article is substantially lacking in prose. I'll see if I can rally the troops at WikiProject Ice Hockey to improve it. The   Kip  (contribs) 05:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose both on quality and importance. Neither the main event or final articles have any substantial prose, so are way short of meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. Also no evidence that this event gets enough coverage to justify inclusion on ITN. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 06:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability I think the event is of importance but Oppose on quality as the article has very little prose.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:56, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability haven’t seen the article event but any international sports event is INTR imo Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That is not correct. Just because countries compete, that doesn't mean the event meets ITN standards of importance for posting. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's the men's world championship of a major professional team sport. That in and of itself should be enough for ITNR. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  22:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, just because countries compete, that doesn't mean the event meets ITN standards of importance for posting. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Currently, the only ITN/R for ice hockey is the Stanley Cup Finals. However, this raises the question of whether the IIHF World Championship should be added to ITN/R. I think that there may be compelling arguments for the IIHF World Championship to be added to ITN/R, and not just because the IIHF includes 82 countries. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment I thought this event was an ITNR item, but it isn't listed there. Was it removed at some point recently? Unfortunately the article is nowhere near a postable state, it's overwhelmingly tables with very little prose. Needs substantial expansion. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As a quick note: an event that is not listed as INTR but falls within the field of other events on ITNR can still be considered as a normal ITNC entry, though obviously, for example, we're not going to post every regional assc. football championship. As ice hockey tends to be less frequent, I could see a normal ITNC argument here. But of course, as you point out, the article itself doesn't meet quality issues. M asem (t) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am aware of how ITNR works: just because this isn't currently on the list doesn't mean we can't post it. My question arose because I seemed to remember that the IIHF World Championship was on the ITNR list. I did some digging in the archives and discovered it was removed just last year, largely because multiple years of articles weren't of postable quality. Unfortunately that appears to be the same problem again this year. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 16:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, I read your diff on your comment above and was making sure not to discourage non-ITNR entries like this. M asem (t) 16:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems like it was in March 2023. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Lithuanian presidential election
Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Comprehensive enough.  Bremps  ...  23:56, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Major enough of an event to warrant entry. Scu ba (talk) 03:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per above. The   Kip  (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Bearas (talk) 06:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is in a good shape.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:07, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Indian Premier League final
Congrats to KKR. ITNR event. Ktin (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose article text on the match is sourced solely to a scorecard. The nested tables violate MOS:ACCESS and the colour schemes of the table violates WP:COLOUR (and not enough contrast between black text and green colours). Background section also needs some more sources, and more context to explain each team's route to the final. Also bunch of WP:WEASEL words in the match summaries (thus causing an orange tag to be appropriate). Parent article is also junk with no decent text, and we shouldn't really be encouraging people to create a final article that's just slightly less junk just so they can post it here. And image in infobox is possibly not a valid fair use. All in all, way short of WP:ITNQUALITY. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. I have fixed the weasel words issue, if any. Do not agree with most of the other assertions above. Ktin (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Tagging as well. I think I have fixed the colors issues and the MOS access issues with nested tables. Good to go imo. Ktin (talk) 02:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Text is still sourced almost entirely to scorecards, better sources that actually verify the information in text should be used. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 06:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support The sourcing/tables issues seem to have been fixed, and there's a good amount of descriptive prose for a sports article. The   Kip  (contribs) 05:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article look good to me but I'm not happy with both blurbs.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support I think this should be on the news section because this is quite an important event in the Indian Subcontinent and other parts of the world. This was also there last year, when CSK won the IPL, and it wasn't too bad. In fact, it made a few more cricket fans in the world. One thing, is that the blurbs have a lot of scope for improvement. SunnyMoon404 (talk) 18:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's ITN/R, so notability is assumed. The   Kip  (contribs) 19:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now . Still a few citations needed. Could do with an "Aftermath" section too, which is standard for sporting events, for reactions and suchlike. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 18:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * thanks. I have fixed all the tags. None of the prior IPL finals (which we have posted) had aftermath sections. I have not introduced one such. e.g. 2023 2022 Ktin (talk) 22:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Well, it still ought to have one, that is part of the basic structure of a sporting final article and would certainly be required for a GA run and to be considered as covering all aspects of the topic... But I guess for the "minimum" standard of ITN it's OK. Striking my oppose and you can go ahead and post as far as I'm concerned. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Albert S. Ruddy
Canadian-American film producer. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 00:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: A duplicate nomination of this article was previously created, the nominator's cmts were: Film/TV producer, announced on May 28. Needs sourcing work for the filmography and awards sections. Natg 19 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC) * Did some sourcing but still needs more. Natg 19 (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC). Happily888 (talk) 02:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is of high enough quality now after above ref additions for main page. It could use a few more sources, although it isn't missing too much to stop it from being posted on main page. Happily888 (talk) 01:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * There are a handful of {cn} tagged sentences in the prose. Most of the tabulated materials after the prose are unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Johnny Wactor

 * Strong Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. Article has 92 word long prose, of which nearly 45 words are about his death. Also, Filmography is unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 10:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There are now 300+ words of prose, so this wikibio is now long enough to qualify, with footnotes in expected spots. However, the filmography tables appear to be unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Cannes/Palme d'Or
Article needs more prose and some other work.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability for now but wait until some more work is done on the page, then I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 10:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is WP:ITNR, so only consideration is article quality. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose not enough prose compared to the enormous amounts of tables. Thus, fails WP:ITNQUALITY. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard M. Sherman
American songwriter Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:58, 2024 May 25 (UTC)


 * Oppose multiple cn tags and a yellow tag.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 10:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Needs work Says nothing about his Jewish heritage or the long feud with his brother. See Disney songwriters' family feud, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support no cn or orange tags remaining, article is ready. Ollieisanerd  (talk • contribs) 11:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Grayson Murray
Sudden death of a professional golfer. Natg 19 (talk) 20:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Confirmed suicide. Anyway, I support posting this tragic death.  NW1223 &lt; Howl at me &bull; My hunts &gt; 16:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article looks ready to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 10:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comments: Can we have a sentence with footnote(s) in the main body of the prose on the date and place of birth, please? The info is in the infobox already and should be sourced in the main prose. Thanks. Also, the boxes above the "PGA Tour career summary" section need sources. Please add more REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I added date and place of birth and place of death to the prose. It appears that Tewapack has referenced the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the additions. The tables on the results from the majors could use some sources, but it's just minor things. Posted, anyway. --PFHLai (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Canonisation of Carlo Acutis
The first millennial saint made news worldwide, I'm more than happy to agree to any changes of the wording but I think this is newsworthy for ITN.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 07:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment I think we should at least wait till he is officially canonized, as far as I understand, process has just started and the ceremony will take place later. Also, have we ever posted a canonization story before?  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We posted Pope John Paul II's in 2014. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: This is notable for being the first millennial, but has Acutis actually been canonised? It does not seem like it. Looking through the archives, the canonisations of the Martyrs of Otranto and Laura Montoya (first canonisations of Francis), Francisco and Jacinta Marto, Marie-Alphonsine Danil Ghattas, and Mariam Baouardy were not posted; canonisations of Mother Theresa, John XXIII, and John Paul II were posted. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I believe that the Pope just started the process by recognising the second miracle and that's why I worded ALT2 to cover that eventuality because I knew there might be a discussion about the correct wording/tense for it.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 07:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll 100% support this once it actually happens. That's what we did for John Paul II in 2014. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability but wait until canonisation has occurred, as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Qiu Weiliu

 * This stubby wikibio currently has only 162 words of prose. Anything else to write about him? --PFHLai (talk) 04:45, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wanted to see if there was any more information available to add to the article from Chinese sources? If so, we may be able to post this on the In The News section.  Spencer T• C 02:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Destiny Deacon

 * Support An unfortunate amount of sources seem to be affiliated with the late artist but aren't claiming anything that would warrant doubt. This C-class article has a lot of one and two-sentence paragraphs, but the issue isn't bad enough to prevent main-page posting.  Bremps  ...  02:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Doug Ingle
It's the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida guy; he was 78. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose four cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 10:03, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Much of the prose is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't ask me, I'm the nominator (and usually a sculptor, not a mason). There weren't any tags back then, so it didn't seem so big a problem, but yeah, I get it, it still sucks now about as much as it ever has. Withdraw. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Enga landslide
May want to wait until the death toll is a bit more settled (and the article lengthened), but reports are suggesting at least 100–300 and potentially up to 1,000 people were killed. The  Kip  (contribs) 17:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support, mainly due to the high death toll. Quake1234 (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment If 3,000 are still buried, it's "potentially up to" 3,000 dead. Maybe a source doesn't say it, but people need air to live. Do any sources say 100 are confirmed dead? If not, neither should a blurb. Leaning Wait here. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support The article is reasonably sourced, probably will get longer as the search for survivors continues. As long as the blurb uses "at least X" where X is the confirmed number of dead or missing, we're good - updates to that number can be made per request at ERRORS. --M asem  (t) 17:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability and quality. I'm not opposed to waiting a little while, but this is an incredibly rural area -- it's hard to say how long it will be before there's an accurate death toll. Estreyeria (talk) 18:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good and 3,000 buried is a huge toll. Tragic event. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support for grave loss of life. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - article looks decent enough for posting. BabbaQ (talk) 20:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Major disaster, definitely noteworthy. Hope the death toll is lower than feared. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 21:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * , this has been marked ready for around seven hours - anyone willing to post? The   Kip  (contribs) 03:20, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it.  Schwede 66  03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted I'm surprised that nobody here commented on the article's lead; it was a complete mess. I had to rewrite that so that the original hook (which I've chosen) has any resemblance to what the lead says. It sounds like we'll be updating this item frequently as more info becomes available.  Schwede 66  03:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm more surprised that Wikipedia turned one hundred feared, presumed and suspected deaths into actual deaths. This wasn't good enough for one duck last May nor OK for one militant leader three Mays ago. A shitty lead is relatively normal. Still, though, thanks for cleaning it up. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Stephen for cleaning that up. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:04, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kabosu (dog)
The dog behind the Doge meme. No doubt famous enough but I'm not sure if the target article is problematic for RD because the subject is the meme. There's a section about the dog. Johndavies837 (talk) 07:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support the section about Kabosu can probably pass GNG if split off into its own article. Juxlos (talk) 08:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there a biographical wikiarticle on the deceased dog? I think we need that for RD purposes. --PFHLai (talk) 08:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to lack of a separate article. That's the basic bar to clear for RD. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Splitting out into Kabosu (dog). – robertsky (talk) 08:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Adjusted target article to Kabosu (dog) from Doge_(meme). – robertsky (talk) 08:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks @– robertsky. Looks good now. Johndavies837 (talk) 09:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Very notable dog and meme in the internet community, no need to elaborate further. RIP GodzillamanRor (talk) 08:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support – robertsky (talk) 09:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't help thinking that if we had a person who was only notable for their face appearing in a famous meme, we wouldn't have an article per WP:BLP1E but they would have been mentioned at the article about the meme instead. No doubt I'll be proved wrong on this because of the amount of total trivia that finds its way into WP, but technically we shouldn't.  IAR, but I think this would have been fine to post with a link to the meme (when it contained the dog bio). Black Kite (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * My concern too. The notability of the dog is just barely there, yet all of the content of that article, within context of the Doge meme, is wholly appropriate there. It would be far better for not having a standalone article. Given that the coverage of the death has been covered in major sources (I've added the BBC and NYTimes articles), its clear that a mention at RD is appropriate, even if the section about the dog was religated to a section of the Doge meme page. Remember that RD doesn't require a separate article, that's only one of the conditions that we look for to automatically consider for an RD, but we're not bound to post an RD that doesn't have a separate article. --M asem (t) 12:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * David Brandt comes to mind. DarkSide830 (talk) 15:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Very famous dog. Almost everyone knows doge meme. Charles Dong (talk) 12:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I wish everyone was a doge. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:10, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Safe travels doge. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment the very similar case of Balltze was originally written by me with the dog's real name, then it was moved in discussion to Cheems, the dog's internet meme personality. I said I supported that move as long as the page was structured and categorised as if it were talking about a meme. There is honestly no need for two articles as they're symbiotic of each other - the meme could not exist without the dog nor would the dog be anything without the meme. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose It's a dog not a person. Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:ITNRD: An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths SWinxy (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So not covered by ITN is the Magpie River (Quebec). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * One has to remember that the ITNRD standard is only establishing an automatic guideline to quickly pass RDs as long as quality is met. Other "deaths" absolutely can be considered but they don't have the simple RD test, and significance or appropriateness will need to be debated in addition to quality. So should a major body of water completely vanish due to global warming or some other means, it would seem reasonable to argue a possible RD (though depending, a blurb might be better). I think editors are more comformable with "death" being attributed to when a living biological thing ceases to be, rather than a metaphorical death (such as the proverbial death of Twitter with the recent changes to domains at X.com), but we should not be blind to where such cases may merit being in the RD line. Just that it will take a bit more debate to judge significance.<span id="Masem:1716568665677:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 16:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, it's not a major body and will outrun us all, thanks to its protective lawmakers! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Whanganui River seems to also be legally a person. 115.188.127.196 (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good, adequate coverage and everything looks to be fine. Ornithoptera (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The ITNRD is explicit that individuals with an article are automatically eligible for RD. This dog did not have an article until today, and is really only notable for 1 event so probably shouldn't have one. The split out into a separate article was done in good faith, but I view it as not correct and we should never be changing article structures out of the blue just to satisfy ITN rules. I don't think we should post this unless it's as a blurb. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This wasn't automatic, though, the humans decided it manually (and 18 is old for a dog, so you know how I'll vote). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:56, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Having a separate standalone article is only a criteria to quickly allow for an ITNRD, but an RD is not required to have one. M asem (t) 16:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Kabosu was clearly a very important dog, definitely passes GNG. Rest in peace. Di (they-them) (talk) 15:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Amakuru, and further, this was... almost corrupt. Splitting off a portion of an article just to qualify for WP:ITN, deliberately creating a coatrack? Nonsense. The day what's important to us is what the erstwhile "internet community" tells us is the day we should — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serial Number 54129 (talk • contribs)
 * Very posted much RIP bow 🐶 -- SashiRolls 🌿 ·     🍥 13:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Boardman

 * Support: a huge name in his field: search his name on Twitter and you'll find just about anyone who's anyone in Classics mentioning and mourning his passing. Article is in a reasonable state, certainly not a problem for the front page. <b style="color:#7F007F">UndercoverClassicist</b> T·C 22:03, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The intro needs more than a single sentence. The middle paragraph of the Career section needs footnotes after the first sentence. The list of publications needs sources. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ángeles Flórez Peón "Maricuela"
Considered the last female socialist militant and, apparently, one of the last of the veterans of the Spanish Civil War. Her article is not long, but I think it is long enough to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:02, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is in a good shape.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 10:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

(Needs Attention) RD: Caleb Carr
Well known American author. The article needs some work but is not in dreadful shape. (The Alienist may be the best work of historical fiction I've ever read.) Ad Orientem (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose as the nominator said, article needs some work. Publication section needs more sourcing and the career sections needs to be divided into multiple subsections.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment I and others have done some extensive copyediting and sourcing. All of his works appear to be now sourced either in the tables directly or are already cited in the body of the article. Also, I've broken up the career section into three subsections for easier navigation per the suggestion by . I did add a single CN tag for a claim that I could not find the source. But the claim doesn't strike me as controversial, and I don't think that's enough to stop posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Neither date of birth nor place of birth appear to be referenced.  Schwede 66  07:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is now a footnote on the sentence with the date and place of birth. And, there is 1 {cn} tag remaining in the Early career section. --PFHLai (talk) 22:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is now ready. Ollieisanerd  (talk • contribs) 20:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Morgan Spurlock
American documentary filmmaker and television producer. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support given his critical acclaim on his documentaries. Lunsel (talk) 15:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: the lack of sources across various sections is a concern, but he's definitely notable enough, and the article is generally in good shape. Oltrepier (talk) 16:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Super Size me was huge at the time, it was nominated for an Academy Award, and it actually impacted the fast food industry. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Article not in good quality. Needs sourcing. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've made improvements to the article's sourcing, and it no longer has any citation needed tags. Anyone else is free to make improvements to the article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:00, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Still a couple CN tags and the tables at the bottom are completely unsourced.-Ad Orientem (talk) 01:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @TDKR Chicago 101 and @Ad Orientem, I cited most of the table. Give the article a look now. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support There's still ten unsourced entries in the filmography section, but overall the article quality has improved. Support Three unsourced listings in filmography should make the article good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support No more CN tags (having assisted a little myself) and the article looks in good shape. Looks ready for Lord Morgan Spurlock to run on ITN.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 06:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support filmography section still needs few more sources.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment There's a couple of tags re: unreliable WP:IMDB.—Bagumba (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Bagumba, it was just one credit as far as I can see. I added another source. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rolf-Ernst Breuer
The banker who made Deutsche Bank international, but made the mistake of one sentence about a customer. Had no article until he died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Article has the mild sin of not having more sections but that's nothing serious. This is of main-page quality.  Bremps  ...  02:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted –  Schwede 66  07:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Darryl Hickman
American actor.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose filmography is unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:41, 25 May 2024 (UTC)


 * In prose, info on parents and grandparents need sources. IMDb needs to be replaced as REFs. Filmography has remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Charlie Colin
Founding member of Train. 240F:7A:6253:1:9055:DE03:C73E:1FC (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose still has orange tags in the article. <b style="color:#ff6600;">The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 20:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose-the article cited unreliable sources WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * ':Oppose-As an American musician, there is not enough information about him, and I think it is difficult to consider it a popular topic.Choisieon11:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The popularity of the topic isn't a criterion for RD. It's a biographical article that's not a stub, so if it was in appropriate condition to post, it should be posted at RD. However, as noted above, it's not currently in that condition. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose two major orange tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) San Pedro Garza García stage collapse

 * Oppose, tragic accident but no lasting notability. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose – There's not much here, and I don't expect expanding the article will bring it to a level worth featuring. It's a tragedy that only really impacts the lives of the people involved directly. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 07:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose literally just a bad accident and while there were deaths, something that really won't have any long term effects. Type of this were shouldn't be rushing to create articles for much less feature in ITN. M asem (t) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. The   Kip  (contribs) 20:40, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: How is this any different than any of the other crowd crushes, stampedes, nightclub fires, etc. that have been posted to ITN?  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 21:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Crushes and stampede usually have a lengthy investigation that determines the causes and steps to prevent in future.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>However, unless it's a major fire like the Grenfell building, most single commercial building fires like the nightclub one are not likely going to have a long term impact if coverage, and should not have been posted, much less have a standalone article, until proven otherwise.<span id="Masem:1716501780415:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 22:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I heard on BBC News that Mexico has started an investigation. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Case in point, I nominated a Turkish nightclub fire that killed about 30 construction workers and it failed to gain much traction to post. The   Kip  (contribs) 04:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It isn't, and they shouldn't have been posted either. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 13:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- really? We posted that stabbing in Australia that killed fewer people, and will have less of an effect than this will. If this happened in an Anglophone country we'd post it immediately. -- Rockstone  Send me a message!  02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Neither should have been posted, and, although we could say that a stabbing being intentional makes it slightly more newsworthy, that was still minor news that shouldn't have been posted either. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 13:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support -- It seems to be a serious accident because there were not a few deaths and many injuries in this case. I think this news is appropriate to alert people to prevent such a sad event from happening again. -- Ckdduq0919 04:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support --This accident, which has resulted in many casualties, is a cause for concern not only locally but also around the world, and should be a warning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jzhdylb (talk • contribs) 04:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose--I don't think it is necessary to write articles about small-scale accidents.--SU YIQI (talk) 05:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support--I think it is necessary to appropriately select some smaller-scale articles, such as accidents, because the occurrence of accidents serves as a warning and prevention.--Yangpeifu (talk) 05:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not the job of Wikipedia in general, or ITN in particular, to provide warnings or prevention. (I find it curious that we have three users giving this as a rationale, which isn't usually brought up at all.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The last four votes above appear to all be from students of the same professor's courses (User:Hanyangprofessor2), which might explain the connection. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Chaotic Enby Indeed. See User:Hanyangprofessor2/Module/News - any suggestions on how to improve it are welcome. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotrus at Hanyang&#124; reply here 03:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." See also Singapore Airlines Flight 321 which got much more coverage here but also seems quite routine. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose tragic accident but it does not appear to have any long lasting impact.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. WP:LASTING. If we take into consideration that the president of Mexico said in his omnipotence that no one is guilty, that the state's governor belongs to the same party that was sponsoring the event, that the state compensated those affected in cash and none has indicated they will file complaints, that civil protection is dependent on the state government, and that the party is already promoting newer events, this is unlikely to be relevant in the future. The "investigation" will conclude that the collapse was caused by the "unpredictable" weather and no one is liable as an act of God. This article is likely to be merged or deleted in the future into a more relevant article (most likely 2024 Mexican general election) since the event will be occasionally remembered and is unlikely to develop beyond the investigation results. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 01:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose And I'd also oppose the terrace collapse in Mallorca, but it probably says something that it and other similar accidents are not nominated. Tragic, but "routine" in the sense that it's 'just' a common accident, there is no underlying news story - no extremist sect destroying buildings, probably no corruption in the construction industry, nothing malicious. It's a human interest story of the tragic death variety, but stories like this should be considered not inherently suitable for ITN unless shown otherwise. RIP of course. Kingsif (talk) 03:04, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: David Wilkie (swimmer)
&#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:18, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article meets WP:ITNQUALITY. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 00:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain
Taken from Current Events of May 22. Most European countries (especially within the EU) do not recognise Palestine so this is pretty significant. LynxesDesmond 🐈 (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: this is certainly getting media attention, but they've only announced their intentions and won't actually recognise the state until 28 May. I'm undecided as to whether that would be a better time to post. Regardless, the article needs prose updates. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait until official recognition on May 28, then support. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 11:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per WP:CRYSTAL as said nations may change their mind in the coming week. Plus the article has quite a few citation needed tags and isn't ready for ITN yet.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 11:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks like this will likely need to be re-nominated in six days when it actually happens. Hopefully time to improve the list! ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 11:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Minor aspect of the whole Gaza situation. --M asem (t) 11:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait until official recognition as per Chaotic Enby. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait until May 28 when the official recognition happens, then support. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I remember we posted the Arab-Israel normalization agreements that were part of the Abraham Accords, but I believe the Israel-Sudan agreement was not posted. So the question would be whether these recognitions have the same degree of relevance as the Abraham Accords. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose minor event, not formal enough Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait for May 28, then support per above. The recognition by 3 countries simultaneously with Israel's recall of ambassadors is significant enough. Brandmeistertalk  17:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait until the 28th per WP:CRYSTAL. I'm undecided on notability for now - I slightly lean oppose, though, as these are neither the first European/EU (most of eastern Europe) nor the first "western" (Sweden, Iceland) states to do so. The   Kip  (contribs) 18:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per above, as the recognitions haven't happened yet, and notability is a bit iffy. But will reconsider on May 28. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Artificial Intelligence Act
In December, it was agreed to post this when the Act was passed and the Council of Ministers has now done this. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support as per original consensus. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as agreed originally. James Tamim (talk) 09:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per previous consensus. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 09:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 10:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Jusdafax (talk) 10:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, as per above Luna Wagner (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, the article is in good shape and I have no objection to the previous consensus. I've added an altblurb with links to extra context. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support but neither blurb seems to capture larger facets of what the law does and impacts, though I'm not sure what else could be said in a concise manner, as its more about restricting AI but also its use by the govt. --M asem (t) 12:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I asked Google's Gemini to "Please suggest an ITN blurb for Wikipedia about the passing of the Artificial Intelligence Act by the Council of Ministers". Its response was  Andrew🐉(talk) 12:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It would be incredibly ironic if we used an AI generated title for an article about AI regulation. Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is very much not a good blurb, being both too long and not specific enough in the information it conveys. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 12:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Such generative AIs tend to be too verbose but its headline is quite succinct and to the point. I'll add it as an ALT. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Entirely unsuitable. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 13:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Its headline is less verbose, but entirely uninformative. Blurbs are not headlines, and for good reason: we want to inform the reader in a self-contained way, not grab their attention to have them read a longer blurb/article behind. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 13:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's something like "The AI Act, which regulates security and transparency requirements for AI models based on their risk level, passes the EU." M asem (t) 13:23, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * oppose what? sorry i spend hours doomscrolling every day and this is the first time im hearing about this which implies to me anyway that this is unimportant/self-aggrandizing Kasperquickly (talk) 13:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean that it is completely unimportant. Please also look at the explanation that the nom gave for nominating this for ITN. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 14:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Completely silly with practically no real-world impact. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support as previously agreed Ion.want.uu (talk) 16:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per all above. The   Kip  (contribs) 18:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Important and as mentioned per above, a landmark in artificial intellegence legislation and technology as a whole Normalman101 (talk) 19:38, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article highlights the significance of this bill and also landmark event in terms of AI and technology. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Will tweak the blurb a bit. --Tone 19:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Pull. This has no relevance whatsoever. It's not on the front page of BBC Europe (https://www.bbc.com/news/world/europe), RFE (https://www.rferl.org/), RTE (https://www.rte.ie/news/), FAZ (https://www.faz.net/aktuell/), DW (https://www.dw.com/en/europe/s-1433), nor Al Jazeera (https://www.aljazeera.com/europe/). This seems like a completely minor event and barely worthy of a blurb. And besides, such a law has no immediate significance anyway like a law on gay marriage or something so prescient. This was a mistake to post. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The fact that maybe some news sources dont emphasize this doesn't mean that it's unimportant, but the fact that basically no news source that I could think of that covers Europe is even announcing it even on the margins of their front page, shows you there is a broad consensus that this is not that prescient and important to emphasize. This event is, essentially, not actually in the news. If anything, it's dwarfed by NVIDIA's earnings report yesterday. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, 'prescient' is the wrong word - I meant 'salient'. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This hasn't even been mentioned in the EU's Featured News section (https://european-union.europa.eu/news-and-events/news-and-stories_en). This clearly isn't even a big deal to the EU. It does appear on (currently) the third page of "Latest news from EU institutions and bodies" (https://european-union.europa.eu/news-and-events/press-releases_en?page=2) - but when you go to the linked EDPS (European Data Protection Supervisor)'s website, you find it's not even the most important thing to that department: https://www.edps.europa.eu/_en. Basically, it's not even, in any sense relevant to an "In the News" wikipedia section, in the news coming directly from the EU authorities. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Pull Never mind what outside news coverage looks like, our own article doesn't give any indication that there's anything at all significant about this legislation. The fact that the "Reactions" section looks like this tells me that either this is simply not notable on a Main Page level or that our article is severely lacking in explaining why it in fact is. Either way, it should not be in ITN at this stage. I would also disagree with the characterization of the previous discussion as "agree[ment] to post this when the Act was passed" - only one person active in that discussion said we should definitely post it if it passes, two said some version of we should discuss again if it does, and everyone else just vaguely said "wait." -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support The contents of the article are well established. and as per above.
 * Hkm5420 (talk) 04:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Pull per above. Whatever the deal back in December, this isn't in the news now, it does not really seem like a major story. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 06:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that..." Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Meh Seems like a classic case of mob mentality, based on nothing but collective suspicion of this being the right thing to do. Objectively, though, it was eight in a row, then four in a row, interrupted only by a meager double. By my count and understanding of nominations, the Ayes have it. As a subjectively honest man, though, misleading people with a false premise this way feels like cheating. There's no rule against it, though, so no reason to disqualify what's done (maybe just don't let it happen again?). InedibleHulk (talk) 10:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Gordon Bell
major contributor to early mainframe computer development and established the computer history museum. Death was on 17tg but only announced on 21st. Article missing lots of references. M asem (t) 13:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * oppose Your article has a lot of unsubstantiated material and quotes in it, and most of the content in the article is unsourced. CHENG SHIYI (talk) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There are quite a few footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:23, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paul Parkman
American physician who helped develop the rubella vaccine. ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Relatively short but meets minimum standards.  Spencer T• C 02:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on quality. A good, short article. BD2412  T 15:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Milei-Sánchez diplomatic crisis
The dispute itself is almost irrelevant (Sanchez says X about Milei, Milei says Y about Sanchez, and it goes on like that) but it has escalated quickly. Cambalachero (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment what are the precedents for posting diplomatic feuds? IIRC, the Ecuador-Mexico dispute wasn't posted despite the high escalation to breaking into an embassy. Nor was Colombia cutting off from Israel posted, as that was seen as just another page in the Middle Eastern conflict. Those examples also show this is far from the most dramatic news in South American diplomacy this year. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ecuador-Mexico was posted: Natg 19 (talk) 00:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose minor squabble between world leaders, unlikely to escalate further. Natg 19 (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Natg 19.  starship .paint  (RUN) 09:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Decent paragraph describing the events, but there's just not much here, just a removal of an ambassador. Even Milei says he doesn't want international relations to sour over this matter. I personally wouldn't expect significant long-term impact. It could be a domino in the chain of events, but it's not a particularly big one. If for example Spain releases advice for Spanish nationals to leave Argentina en masse, then we'd suddenly be at an entirely different scale. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 11:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Natg. The   Kip  (contribs) 18:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Natg. In response to Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's dismissal of his ambassador to Argentina following a dispute with Argentine President Javier Milei, I don't think it rises to the level of larger national relations. Moreover, the person concerned has also stated that he does not want the matter to affect relations between countries. So I think that this element is of relatively low importance.Zhuo1221 (talk) 04:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Opposition. The impact of the incident is not enough, although the replacement of personnel will not escalate to affect international relations.Liangyiqiao2004 (talk) 05:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jan A. P. Kaczmarek
Polish composer. 240F:7A:6253:1:F9E2:9586:9635:4621 (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose upon review - lots of uncited material, and one of the sources doesn't seem to support what it's cited for. The   Kip  (contribs) 19:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There is unreferenced word. Jiyoon Leee (talk) 04:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sharkey Ward
""Rear-Admiral Sandy Woodward said that if Ward had not disobeyed orders, Britain would have lost the Falklands Islands""

- The Times Andrew🐉(talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose A lot of unsourced material in there. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as the vast majority of the article is unsourced. The   Kip  (contribs) 18:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as the article is not in a suitable state. Andrew, it's not necessary to demonstrate importance for RDs, as I think you know. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose article seemingly largely written by the man himself. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose .This article does not qualify as WP:ITNQUALITY because he has no confirmation of death from a reliable source and according to the commenters' consensus, the article is not of sufficient quality to be posted on the homepage. Hhhlx (talk) 04:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Okay, the article has massive quality issues, but:
 * he has no confirmation of death from a reliable source
 * Huh? The obituary is from The Times, which is considered reliable. The   Kip  (contribs) 17:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OpposeThe article is good, but there are too few quotes to support the truth of the articleAYAO32269 (talk) 04:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Karl-Heinz Schnellinger
A pretty well-known name for Italian and German football fans, he was mainly notable for being one of the few players who featured in four FIFA World Cups, as well as the man who managed to score his only international goal in the so-called "Game of the Century". Oltrepier (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment This nomination is also listed for 20 May, when the subject died. Suggest merge to 20 May. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Duplicated nom posted by Pharaoh of the Wizards at 20:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC) is now displaced. --PFHLai (talk) 00:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support: Article is in good shape. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 18:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: Needs references for Honors and in club career section.  Spencer T• C 01:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo coup attempt
Part of the wider recent African coup belt, an attempted coup by the United Congolese Party was foiled, resulting in the party's leader Christian Malanga being killed, as well as American and British mercenaries being detained. Scu ba (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose seems to be been a pretty quick/open-and-shut event of limited scale, likely not resulting in a lot of long-term consequences. The   Kip  (contribs) 00:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per The Kip, but this does qualify Christian Malanga for an RD at minimum. --M asem (t) 00:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose good faith nom, per TK above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support this obviously doesn't happen often & is big news nationally, and I am troubled by the idea that "if it didn't succeed, then it's not worth posting" above. Banedon (talk) 02:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * this obviously doesn't happen often
 * See Coup Belt - this is the 16th attempted coup in the region since 2020. It unfortunately has become rather common. The   Kip  (contribs) 02:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * From that link I can see this is the first attempted coup in Congo, so unless you amend the definition of "coup belt" to include Congo, this is not common. Banedon (talk) 03:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The map, sure, but the article notes that the "Coup Belt" region is commonly defined as both west and central Africa. The   Kip  (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The article also lists seven countries in the infobox, none of which include Congo. Are you defining "coup belt" to be all countries in Western and Central Africa now, regardless of whether they've had any coups in the past? Banedon (talk) 03:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait on RD I scanned the story for "would", "-wards" and "wever", found one. It's better now (as is a common noun). But the level of tagbombing and plausible misinformation down there could (currently) make a grown historian cry. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And by story, I mean all the crap in Christian Malanga exclusively. An altblurb without that attached might do. No promises, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per Banedon. Since we posted 2016 Turkish coup attempt, which also seemed also rather flash-in-the-pan, then it seems like we ought to post this. The DRC/Zaire has had its share of problems over the years, but coups there are rare and this is still a major issue and has been covered internationally. A decent enough article at first glance too. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 06:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That was 8 years ago. Just because we posted something similar once doesn't mean we must always do so for ever more. Also, the Turkish one lasted much longer, with more casualties, in more locations, involving more participants etc. etc. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - flash in the pan. A non-successful coup attempt can be significant enough to post, but there's bearly anything here. A guy got a few dozens people with him and attempted an arm intrusion in a couple of places that were quickly foiled, and got killed in the process. The army wasn't with him, the police wasn't with him, ... It was over before people even woke up. -- KTC (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose This was so feeble that it seems that it was either a delusional gamble or it was instigated by an agent provocateur to prop up Tshisekedi's shaky regime.  As the DRC has had ongoing armed conflict for years, killing thousands and displacing millions, this incident needs more clarity and context. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support I don't understands how this was anymore feeble than Trump's Capitol storming attempt. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait on RD, oppose coup post unfortunately too common in the Western and central African reigons, and the attempted coup happened very briefly. We very rarely post coup attempts and only when they are significant. Move to SNOW close. Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * in no way this is a WP:SNOW given there are several support votes and the discussion is still ongoing. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Any coup attempts is notable for ITN as long as the article is in good shape, which it is in this case. I think with the fact that a major party leader in the nation was also killed in the coup attempt also makes it a bit different than the others in my book. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * He wasn't a major party leader in the nation, for the most part. He lived in America. The UCP never won a seat, even there. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. Minor attack which fizzled out before posing any serious threat to the government. Most media attention seems to be focussing on the fact that three plotters were dual US citizens, not the implications for the DRC or regional politics. Admittedly there were deaths on both sides, hence only a weak !vote. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:19, 22 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support It's well organized according to the order of progress. However, one source says incorrect(reference 2), so it needs to be corrected.
 * Hkm5420 (talk) 04:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Unsuccessful and without obvious lasting impacts. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ivan Boesky
The original 1980s Wall Street super villain. "Greed is good." Unusually, I think the article is in fairly decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Only as short as it needs to be, with no glaringly apparent lies; he was 87. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 15:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Fernando Martínez Castellano
Coincidentally, I created this article very recently to complete the navbox of mayors of Valencia, having put it off for a while due to a lack of accessible sources. Not a very long article (the man served for a few months then disappeared from public life) but not a stub. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Pretty bare bones, but basically adequate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Short but sufficient. Source spot-check checks out. Curbon7 (talk) 03:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Source for birth year already in article but can be better cited. Curbon7 (talk) 03:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and supports. Jusdafax (talk) 08:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jean-Claude Gaudin
Former mayor of Marseilles. Currently translating parts from French Wikipedia to have a more complete article. Chaotıċ Enby  (talk · contribs) 10:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Two sections carry orange-tags for sourcing issues. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Bishkek riots

 * Oppose for the same reason I opposed posting the mobbing of the plane that arrived in Dagestan, Russia from Israel. I don't think these events meet a notability threshold until people get killed or unless governments support them. And yes, I'd say the same if this happened in the USA or UK. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Unknown Temptation - these appear to be rather limited in scale, impact, and therefore notability. The   Kip  20:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support I would argue that large scale race riots are a rare and notable occurance with large social and geo-political consequences. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Peder Falk

 * Comments: Can we have a sentence with footnote(s) in the main body of the prose on the date and place of birth, please? The info is in the infobox already and should be sourced in the main prose. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree. And done.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding. --PFHLai (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: IMO needs a good amount of copyediting (e.g. "In the late 1980s, he started to get roles in TV.-series and films. The film Svart gryning about the case of Dagmar Hagelin was the first[6][8]. TV-series like Fiendens fiende, Goltuppen and Nya tider would come next"; multiple TV series names are not italicized; the sentence "Falk was known for the role as cabinet secretary Peter Sorman in the show Fiendens fiende." lacks context and seems out of place as it's in between his birth and time at university without a year listed; etc.) and also lacks the 3-paragraph minimum for a standalone article.  Spencer T• C 08:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I gave this wikibio some copyediting and re-arranged the prose. Does this help? There are just a little more than 300 words of prose. Anything else to add? Anything from sv:Peder Falk? Was Svart gryning his first film role? sv:Peder Falk is showing earlier films. Please verify. I have no access to the REF (paywalled). Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: James L. Greenfield
Thriley (talk) 23:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * oppose Your article has a lot of unsubstantiated material and quotes in it, and most of the content in the article is unsourced. WYRRRR (talk) 05:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * The paragraph on the subject's jobs between the govt and NYTimes is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:25, 26 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Almost there, 2 CN tags remaining.  Bremps  ...  23:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 PGA Championship
Altblurb if we want to highlight the major scoring record, although I know conventionally we tend to simply state the winner of these events. rawmustard (talk) 13:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not ready. The article is almost entirely tables, with far too little prose to feature on the main page. The 'criteria' section is also a confusing and poorly-formatted mess. Needs substantial work before it could be posted. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose like most golf articles, spends too much time confusing readers about qualification criteria, and not enough prose about the event. As such, completely incomprehensible to a mainstream audience. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose barely any prose. The   Kip  20:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support when ready, but Oppose for bad article and lack of organization in it Sharrdx (talk) 16:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose the article contains too many complex details and table contents, which may only arouse the interest of specific audiences and be difficult to understand.TMXX0818 (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jim Otto
Needs Work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Much of the prose has remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

[ATTENTION REQUIRED] 2023–24 Premier League
Man City win the Premier League.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Updated with ITNR=yes as this is ITNR. Also added alt1, as "defending champions" is clear from them winning consecutive titles. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 17:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment As per usual with these season articles, not enough prose. Which is understandable as they've evolved over a year. Black Kite (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't forget when making blurbs to actually include the article in question in bold. --M asem (t) 17:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: should they not be called "Manchester City F.C."? 86.181.130.175 (talk) 19:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No. WP:COMMONNAME is "Manchester City". Black Kite (talk) 19:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * But it is true that people that don't know association football that that's refering to the Football Club and not the city. We don't say "Kansas City won the Super Bowl" even though those into gridiron football know exactly what is meant.<span id="Masem:1716151694707:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 20:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, totes dude. How about: "English soccer club Manchester City F.C. win their fourth consecutive Premier League title. 86.181.130.175 (talk) 20:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. ITN is currently explaining New Caledonia ("a territory of France in the Pacific") and Fico ("the prime minister of Slovakia"): a country-specific sports club deserves at least the same treatment. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We definitely do not say soccer when describing an association football club outside North America. -- KTC (talk) 21:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Or Australia. But it's definitely not used for a UK story.  We usually say "In association football, Manchester City win ..." Black Kite (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's why we say "In association football ..." I'm pretty sure that people aren't going to confuse a city and a football club, especially as the city isn't called "Manchester City" either. Black Kite (talk) 09:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As long as there's the "In association football" qualifier, we don't need to include the F.C. - it's a given that it's a football team. The   Kip  20:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Added alt2 based on previous year. -- KTC (talk) 21:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Alt2 article appears ready to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Summary section looks like WP:PROSELINE but that'll definitely not prevent this from being posted. There is no update on the final day though; the last update was about Brighton firing their manager, and Aston Villa being better than Manchester United (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not ready. The article is a bit underwhelming - mostly tables - but the 'summary' section does have enough prose to meet our minimum requirements. However it has not been updated to reflect the final outcome, with only the lead (and table) bothering to explain who won! That should be an easy fix. I've also added alt3, which follows our normal style; note that 'English' is not part of the league's name. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There has been little improvement to the article in the last 24 hours, still not ready. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Alt2 when ready As said before article is underwhelming but it's a good nomination. Sharrdx (talk) 13:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Procedural support despite it being parochial petty sports news This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's one of if not the most watched and followed and analysed sports competitions in the world, certainly among those in league format. Not petty or parochial, hence it's ITN/R. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ALT2 when ready, article doesn't seem far off from posting. The   Kip  (contribs) 03:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ALT3 Only on the grounds that it covers all the bases to clarify sport and avoid using F.C.. I will Oppose ALT2 because it uses the erroneous "English Premier League" when the name is simply Premier League and we do have precedence for this where it was determined that "English" shouldn't be used with it. Please don't make me file 115 charges over this. ;) (jk)  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 16:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As the error has been removed, I am happy to Support ALT2 then.  The C of E God Save the King!  ( talk ) 10:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Raisi helicopter accident
Nominating since, even if they survive, the equivalent story in the U.S. would be notable enough to post. Davey2116 (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait story is still developing, and updates are coming everywhere. <b style="color:#ff6600;">The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 14:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability but wait until it is known whether they survived. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support
 * if a helicopter carrying the PM of russia crashed it would be in ITN Lukt64 (talk) 14:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait until Raisi's definitive condition is known. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 15:08, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability, so we can have a consensus to post asap. Of course the story (and blurb) should be updated once we have more information, but it is already newsworthy as is. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 15:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support This is a very major news, although the status of the Iranian president isn't confirmed yet GodzillamanRor (talk) 15:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as it is currently on headlines Shadow4dark (talk) 15:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support A world leader may have just died, and is at least critically injured.  Bremps  ...  15:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait until we really (and officially) know what state the Iranian president is in. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Regardless of the outcome of the crash, reliable sources are reporting a potentially fatal accident involving a world leader has occurred. Would we wait to see if President Biden was reported deceased in a helicopter crash? Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, we would wait if that occurred. ITN is not a breaking news ticker, we want to report the best statement about a story so we wait.<span id="Masem:1716133827101:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 15:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support this is a very big news story.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support This will be notable regardless of the outcome. Johndavies837 (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support obviously notable enough to post right now Bedivere (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait Of course it's going to be notable but I don't feel like it is up to spec to be on the front page right now. Wikipedia is not BBC or NBC. It is an encyclopedia and articles need to look like it. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 15:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support iff death of Raisi confirmed. Mjroots (talk) 15:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd say the airplane crash would still be ITN-worthy if the foreign minister died, or if the President were injured.  Bremps  ...  16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait the details are unclear and this blurb is therefore ridiculously vague. Give it 12 hours and more information about the crash. Then and only then will a sensible blurb be able to be written. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait. C'mon gang. We know nothing here. If no one is dead this really ISN'T notable. Maybe someone is. But there really is no reason not to wait. If a high ranking figure in the Iranian government has died it will remain notable, I guarantee that. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong support - Doesn't matter whether he dies or not, a plane crashing with a head of state in it is definitely notable enough  Abo Yemen  ✉  16:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait for now, Support if there are confirmed deaths Personisinsterest (talk) 16:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait until we have some confirmed details. Nigej (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait for further details, per above. The   Kip  17:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support once his fate is known Braganza (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong support - it's possible it could take a long time for his helicopter to be found under current conditions, meaning that if we wait until we know what state he is in, it could take many hours. The event is still ongoing even if he hasn't yet been found. GreatBritant (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait for further details. WP is not a breaking news website. 2605:B100:D42:8915:E9E1:90FC:668F:7128 (talk) 17:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait we need more details, as what people have said above.
 *  TomMasterReal  TALK 18:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Support - For those saying 'once confirmed', I think it'll be too late. Iran has already suspended aerial operation due to the deteriorating weather, and rescue workers are saying that even if they somehow find the alive, the situation there is so bad they will really struggle to take them out.
 * Also the scale or impact of this crash is, in my opinion, comparatively massive; Iran is already preparing for Mohammad Mokhber to take charge.
 * Also to those who are saying 'not notable until somebody dies'- Fico isn't dead, then why was his news of being shot was in the blurb? Because he was (or still is) in the corner of the death (secondly, but firstly the incident was a shooting). If we compare, this may be not like that but the severity of this accident is now open and Raisi's whereabout is now totally unknown.
 * Another thing is, the accident also involved Foreign Minister Amir-Abdollahian and other senior officials, and as Iran is definitely passing a time with large gaps in the administration for a significant amount of time. Last but not least, it's about Iran. As the recent events in the Middleast unfolded, this type of incident is obviously notable and impactful. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 18:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Obviously notable" - the bigger issue is that this is still breaking news and information is changing rapidly (re. Grauniad live blog just saying there has been contact with a pilot and a passenger, indicating this is probably not an 100% fatalities crash)... If this just turns out to have been a "hard landing" as was claimed initially, it wont have any lasting impact or notability (since thats not temporary). 2605:B100:D42:8915:E9E1:90FC:668F:7128 (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For your kind information the Red Crescent has said that there is no sign life in the copter.
 * Also just like I said, if the US President was missing for 1 hour I'm pretty sure it would've been included in the blurb. Raisi was already feared dead, and even no fatalities is caused a helicopter disappearance including the President, FM, Governors of a country like Iran is obviously obviously notable and I still adhere to my point. Zeeshan Y Tariq (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Strong Support—It's extremely notable (arguably, it's more notable than the Wagner Group plane crash and we put that in ITN almost immediately); plus, since there are have intergovernmental organizations preparing to provide support to locate the helicopter (or what's left of it), the fact that a head of state was involved in a "hard landing" incident is definitely something be mentioned in the ITN section. - MateoFrayo (talk) 18:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support It's pretty clear the president is dead, listening to Al-Jazeera - who said they couldn't report this, without further confirmation but it's extremely grim news. Nfitz (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support but wait till we have a clearer picture of what's happened. This is Paul (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support now as with Fico we do not need to know everything regarding the outcome of an incident to post it. Blurbs can be updated if needed. The crash is the major international news story right now. —LukeSurlt c 18:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. And altblurb respectfully submitted (if Sunak's chopper were to go down, we'd give the name of nearest village in Surrey; ditto Marine One and the relevant unincorporated town in Nevada). Moscow Mule (talk) 20:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I like the altblurb, but having "Iran" only be all the way at the end might not be optimal. Although I don't see a clean way to have it before without repeating – using the province name East Azerbaijan would be more confusing and/or need Iran to be mentioned again. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 20:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Right? Had it been any other province (other than West Azerbaijan, of course)... Maybe gloss him as "Iranian president", to get the reference to the country in sooner? Moscow Mule (talk) 21:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've also now updated the image. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting oppose We need to know whether he's alive. Oppose if he lived. Schierbecker (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Such an event (an helicopter crash involving a current president) is very uncommon. Dead or alive, this is definitely notable. Bedivere (talk) 22:23, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * He's been "missing" now for about 18 hours. Even if he's fine, then this is notable. When was the last time a world-leader went missing after an air-crash? Though given the various reports and imagery - he's clearly dead. Nfitz (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no policy basis for not posting just because one aspect of it is unknown. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 00:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pull The latest BBC bulletin (23:32) says, In the case of the Prigozhin crash, we waited about a day to post because of similar uncertainty. Per WP:RUMOR, "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We didn't post any of the uncertain information, just that the helicopter crashed, which no one actually doubts. The fate of people inside it is unknown, and that's why we haven't included it in the blurb. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 22:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ITN is governed by the policy that says it "serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest." The blurb posting does that. WP:RUMOR is about the article itself, which is not in obvious violation of that guideline. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 00:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's half the guidelines for ITN (there is no ITN policy). The other half is article quality, of which an accident where the fates of the passengers are unknown is generally not yet of the quality due to the lack of missing information, even if everything up to date is sourced. Its why we generally wait for some type of finality on various topics before posting them. Even with the nature of one of the passengers being a very high level country official. That's why ITN is repeated stated not to be a news ticker. M asem (t) 00:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I stand by my comment. The line I quoted is the first sentence of WP:ITN and the most important one. The "quality" aspect is in the third paragraph. And the term "news ticker" does not show up at all. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 00:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * All three points must be met for posting, not a selective choice.<span id="Masem:1716167322288:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 01:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I cannot see how this makes logical sense, given the third contention ("news ticker") is not even mentioned in the guideline. As for point two, just because a situation has unknowns does not equate to an article about the situation being low "quality." And the actual guideline says "based on a consensus... using two main criteria," so I'm not sure where the idea that "all three points must be met" is coming from. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 01:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:RUMOR is about Wikipedia as a whole. See also WP:NOTNEWS which states that "breaking news should not be emphasized". Andrew🐉(talk) 07:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That is a very selective quoting of WP:NOTNEWS. That fragment is in the context of "enduring notability of persons and events" and is not general advice about excluding breaking news content simply because it is breaking news. In fact, when you consider the full sentence it reads quite differently and says: "breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information," which changes the meaning quite a bit. - Fuzheado &#124; Talk 11:00, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The problem with breaking news is that it's likely to be wrong. And that's what happened here.  Yesterday, we blurbed nine deaths and today we are blurbing eight.  This is not a miracle; it was an error.  Per the iron triangle, "Good, fast, cheap. Choose two." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that I've tidied up the Hossein Amir-Abdollahian bio in case this is upgraded to a death, for which we would presumably bold that article. There was a whole bunch of uncited info in a list plus an orange tag; I've hidden the uncited content. I suggest that the Ebrahim Raisi bio is good enough should a bold link be required; there are three "citation needed" tags. Again, if there are concerns about that, we could instead hide the uncited content.  Schwede 66  23:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Post-posting support Presumably if Joe Biden was in an aircraft that crashed, it would be posted (and likely very quickly), regardless of whether or not he survived. I don't see why it should be any different just because this crash relates to the president of another country. Chrisclear (talk) 03:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Death of someone who is/was current head of government is worthy of a blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 06:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now we have CNN reporting no survivors, and now is the appropriate time to post. We want until we have a result like this, not questions about the state of the survivors, regardless of country. --M asem (t) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Iranian media is reporting no survivors, though now the Red Crescent has reported that information as well. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If it were just Iranian media, we'd likely be a bit caution due to state media issues. CNN reporting what Iranian media are stating is far cleaner for this purpose. M asem (t) 03:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your concern, . We never questioned the state of survivors; we reported that a helicopter crashed with a president and foreign minister on board.  Schwede 66  03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We are capable of communicating uncertainty in blurbs, as are the reliable sources that ITN theoretically tracks with. Moreover, there's no criterion in WP:ITNSIGNIF that says all questions need to be answered before a blurb is posted. I would love if people at ITN could stop making up their own personal criteria (unique to each person!) and instead either go by the written standards, make a proposal to change them, and/or accept that IAR is a thing that applies to ITN like every other area of the project. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We've had unspoken standards that have been challenged by newer editors to the ITNR process not by proposed changes but aspects like this. Our basis in the past is to wait until we have a firm understanding from RSes about a topic, and not when the primary issue at play was still hanginig in the air for a short period.<span id="Masem:1716206465972:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 12:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If that's the standard you'd like to see, please propose adding it to ITNSIGNIF. Otherwise, it's not something ITN is bound by.
 * Also, per Schwede66 we did have a "firm understanding" of the topic here: a helicopter carrying a sitting president crashed. That is a story in and of itself. That we didn't know if that president was dead doesn't mean we didn't have enough to post. Same goes for posting Titan (submersible) before we knew if there were survivors, or for posting the attempted Wagner Group coup while it was in motion. Ed [talk] [OMT] 15:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support this is a very big news story.Iranian President Raisi has been confirmed dead. There are not many photos from the scene, and rescuers have said that some bodies are so badly burned they are unrecognizable. However, this is also strange—three helicopters were flying, but only this one crashed. If the weather was so bad, who insisted on taking off? Kikolipu (talk) 04:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

RD and succession

 * Edit blurb to mention death  since this now doubles as an RD — Knightof  theswords  03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We might want to discuss an appropriate blurb first.  Schwede 66  03:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've been keeping an eye on this, anticipating that this would become a death blurb. But we do not yet have a formal announcement stating definitively that Raisi is dead. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If the death is confirmed, it seems by ITN/R we would also need to mention that Muhammad Mukhbar (or whomever Khamenei would appoint) is now the acting president. Also, I wonder if the other two wiki-notable people on board (Malek Rahmati and Mohammad Ali Ale-Hashem) should be included in the blurb, or do they just go in RD; I'd lean towards including them in the blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 04:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For all of those reasons, and particularly the absence of a formal statement that they are dead, we need to have a discussion here, rather than an admin just amending the blurb.  Schwede 66  04:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I note that the Muhammad Mukhbar article was moved a few hours ago, and I suspect that will be undone. It needs the eyes of those who speak Persian and know their way around naming conventions.  Schwede 66  04:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This would not be a blurb if the only people on board were the other two, and we have limited space with a lot else to cover, so I would lean against mentioning them. <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"> Sdkb  talk 04:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Once an official announcement is made, I think that both the president and foreign minister should be mentioned in the blurb along with whoever assumes the position of acting president. Alas, I probably will not be the one to update the blurb as it is after midnight here and I need to get some sleep. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're not allowed to go to bed until Wikipedia is finished! <span style="border:3px outset;border-radius:8pt 0;padding:1px 5px;background:linear-gradient(6rad,#86c,#2b9)"> Sdkb  talk 04:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Iranian state media Mehr News says all aboard are dead. Reuters has quoted Mehr News and an Iranian government official. Jusdafax (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support altblurb 3- Best worded blurb at this time. Jusdafax (talk) 05:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note that "acting president" is an unreferenced statement. From what I've seen, it is expected that he will be acting president. Without a reliable source, this cannot be posted.  Schwede 66  05:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The NYT has reported that "Iranian law stipulates that if the president dies, power is transferred to the first vice president and an election must be called within six months. The first vice president is Mohammad Mokhber, a conservative politician." But, that isn't the same thing as a formal transfer of power. Ed [talk] [OMT] 05:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That may be so. But the acting part is still unreferenced in the target article.  Schwede 66  07:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * comment about the "acting part", aljazeera now says "Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has confirmed First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber as the country’s acting president".46.222.205.14 (talk) 10:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment President of Iran is NOT an ITNR position (that's the Supreme Leader). So we don't need to worry about the succession issue, only the accident and deaths. --M asem (t) 11:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not correct. The president of Iran IS an ITNR position. WP:In the news/Recurring items says that "Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government" going on to note that these positions are listed at List of current heads of state and government. Not only is the President of Iran listed as Head of government, so is the First Vice President, the Chief Justice, and the Speaker of Parliament (someone might want to review the two non-presidential government heads after the vice-president). This is similar to the UK where the Prime Minister is listed, along with the King, and some other Commonwealth nations, where the Governor General is listed along with King and PM. Nfitz (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The holder of the officer that administers the executive branch in Iran is the Supreme Leader. "Unlike the executive in other countries, the president of Iran does not have full control over the government, which is ultimately under the direct control of the Supreme Leader." per our article on the office. That's why the Supreme Leader is marked in green, they're the key control of the country and whom ITNR recognizes. M asem (t) 01:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * He's the "key control" (head of state). They're the "triumvirate" (three-headed head of government). Above them all is God. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The president does not have full control of the executive, that is the Supreme Leader. The president is someone picked by the Supreme Leader to run the country under the S.L.'s directives (Raisi was considered to be next in line to be S.L. due to the current's age). So while the president may be the "head of state", they are not the person that "adminsters the executive" of Iran's government.<span id="Masem:1716293247450:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 12:07, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khameini, is the head of state. He is also one man, as opposed to them, the three heads of government. Mixing up pronouns isn't that bad, but now you've got the roles reversed, too. The head of state, as in Canada, doesn't touch the executive branch of the government. That's First Vice President Mohammad Mukhbar's job now. If we want to follow the standard ITNR rule, that means noting the change in executive administration to him from Raisi. When Khameini dies and is replaced, it won't be an ITNR deal. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We have (best that I can recall) always gone by considering only those cells that are in green on the list of leaders as the ones that meet the ITNR criteria for changes of the the exec office holder, as those are considered the most powerful position in that govt. Those in white or blue do not meet ITNR, though could still be considered a ITNC. M asem (t) 15:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's foolish to believe in a colour code not based on any reliable source when you have Government of Iran telling you in plain English that you're mistaken. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * From President of Iran "Unlike the executive in other countries, the president of Iran does not have full control over the government, which is ultimately under the direct control of the Supreme Leader." from Government of Iran "He is the highest nominally popularly elected official in Iran, although he answers to the Supreme Leader of Iran, who functions as the country's head of state.]]". President is primarily a symbolic position, the Supreme Leader holds the executive power. M asem (t) 16:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know why you think we're arguing about who's more powerful overall. We're arguing about who administers the executive. It should have been clear to you from the third word in your first quote, but from Government of Iran, again: Chapter 9 (Articles 133–142) of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran sets forth the qualifications for presidential candidates and procedures for election, as well as the powers and responsibilities as "functions of the executive". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Who's more powerful overall" definitely matters. The Premier of China Li Qiang is the head of government of China, but he has no power compared to Xi Jinping. So I agree with Masem that the president of Iran (head of government), a lesser figure in the politics of Iran compared to the Supreme Leader, is not ITNR. When Khameini dies and is replaced, it won't be an ITNR deal. - this is a grave misunderstanding of the politics of Iran, which is an authoritarian type of government. The purpose of the "green color code" is to define who is de facto in charge of administering the executive, and that person would qualify under the guidelines at ITNR. Natg 19 (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you know of an occasion when Khamenei exercised an executive power instead of or in spite of one of his presidents (beyond choosing them)? If so, that would convince me something de facto is afoot. Till then, I don't think I gravely misunderstand anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:46, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * These news articles say that ultimate power rests in the Supreme Leader, not the president. Natg 19 (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ultimate power over his mortal inferiors and toward foreigners, yes. Executive, legislative and judicial powers, no; he chooses to delegate these. If you ask him, he'll tell you God is his sovereign. God, in turn, despite this conceded higher power, doesn't sweat the mundane daily state or government affairs, just who'll next reign supreme on Earth (or so the Experts have it). InedibleHulk (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I am going to suggest we move this to the talk page. M asem (t) 19:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've boldly removed the rest of the Election Commission - I'm not sure if the VP should be shaded blue - it is constitutional isn't it?


 * Comment. Is it possible we can have a break in the discussion now? We've established notability has been met for the crash itself, but perhaps a separate discussion of if the presidential succession is warranted. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Probably link to death and state funeral like in others like Death and state funeral of Nestor Kirchner.37.252.94.207 (talk) 05:50, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Willi Brokmeier
German tenor, light brilliant voice and acting talent, died at age 96 which was made public only two days ago - not remembered by many, it seems. - This was a DYK article, and I added some detail and dropped a lost ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)


 * With 600+ words, this wikibio is long enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. No obvious gaps in coverage of the subject's life. Footnotes can be found at expected spots. Earwig found no problems. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Frank Ifield
Australian musician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support "I Remember You". Andrew🐉(talk) 12:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Four {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. And, the last few sentences in the Career section are not related to his career and may be better merged into the Personal life section. --PFHLai (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Koerner
American blues musician. gobonobo + c 18:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support the article looks okay to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:31, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Sourcing and article layout look fine. Jusdafax (talk) 04:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tony O'Reilly
Irish businessman and international rugby union player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose a large number of cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:13, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mark Wells
Ice Hockey Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose pop culture and Career statistics sections are unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bruce Nordstrom
American billionaire businessman.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Improper external linking in the body along with uncited statements.  Bremps  ...  16:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support one cn tag but otherwise okay article.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you Please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment: Article could use a little more detail about his role at Nordstrom in the first 30 years; has a gap between the 60s and 90s. Some of the statements are a little vague/promotional leaning ("stores began to slowly turn around as the Nordstroms moved the focus back to employees" -- not sure what this means?)  Spencer T• C 01:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Alice Stewart
if successful, give credit to HistoryTheorist as it is her logged out due to temporary computer problems 50.47.223.9 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Dutchy's wikibio has grown a bit longer now. --PFHLai (talk) 23:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And now it's been posted, so Reverse Decision, the discussion may continue! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Yeah, I'm not convinced she's even notable. Others may disagree. Black Kite (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Yeah, I'm not convinced she's even notable. Others may disagree. Black Kite (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk
For the first time in 25 years Usyk wins the WBA, WBO, WBC and IBF world titles; Shadow4dark (talk) 00:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Obviously nothing to evaluate until there's an actual article, but reading the sources, a key aspect here is that this fight was to reunify four different boxing championships in the last 25 years, so that probably should be very clear in the blurb and subsequent article. --M asem (t) 00:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: There is an article, Usyk was just spelled incorrectly in the template. Stormy clouds (talk) 00:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Things like this don't happen every day and are even more rarely commemorated by people like us; this article does not suck. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:54, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support/Oppose on Quality. I'm not one for boxing in general and do kinda think it's a joke now, but first undisputed heavyweight champion since 2000? Yeah, that's news, and from my layman's perspective, the one boxing story worth posting at ITN. Not sure the best target articles, but I do think Usyk himself, the match, and Undisputed championship (boxing) should be bluelinked. My quality ruling depends on the target article though - Usyk's article looks good, but a fight summary would be nice for the fight article. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. BD2412  T 02:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Article is lacking an update aside from the one sentence Usyk won by split decision.[1] in the lead. Nothing about the match itself is in the body. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support but give some time for the the article(s) to be updated. I like DarkSide830 idea. I have added an altblurb to emphasize the rarity of this occasion. Bit wordy though. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. First undisputed heavyweight champion in a quarter of a century is notable even with boxing’s reduced stature, but the fight article needs expansion. The   Kip  03:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the fight article, adding some rudimentary fight details, but it could be expanded a quite a bit more. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, Starship.paint and I have expanded the fight article. It could possibly be bolded too. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. The media attention says it all. Also, I recommend WP:ITNR for fights only to boxers who won undisputed titles, given the rarity of this achievment and the media attention lavished on such. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Alternative blurb III. In boxing, Oleksandr Usyk defeats Tyson Fury to become the first undisputed heavyweight champion in 24 years. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support and use Alt3, don't use the "Ring of Fire" one as it was just a marketing phrase (that practically everyone ignored). Black Kite (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted Stephen 22:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Narayanan Vaghul
Indian banker. RIP. Ktin (talk) 03:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks good enough to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bud Anderson
– Muboshgu (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support World War II flying ace, seems sourced enough (no idea about truth), short but not stubby; he was 102. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article appears in a good shape.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: Fly high, king. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Bud Anderson needs sourcing, please. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there's a place online you can just look up what awards a serviceman has, but a couple of sources that were in the article backed up some of his unsourced awards. Added in-line refs for the two Legions of Merit, five Distinguished Flying Crosses, sixteen Air Medals, and the Croix de Guerre. Some of the others, like the World War II Victory Medal and the European–African–Middle Eastern Campaign Medal, would be self-evident from the years and locations of his military service, which are referenced elsewhere in the article. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 03:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


 * support! Because there are reliable enough sources, but perhaps some more introductions to the medals he received could be added. ZHANG0822ZH (talk) 05:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Pat Buckley (priest)
Catholic bishop.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support the article looks ready to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 14:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 59th Academy of Country Music Awards
Heatrave (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose less than 200 words of prose. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 13:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose not ITNR and not globally notable. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, not notable enough for ITN (there's a reason it's not ITN/R) and not enough prose as well. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Not notable globally and fails ITNR. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 19:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily !voting in support, but an annual event like an awards show that happens not be listed on ITNR doesn't mean we cannot have it as a valid blurb. Just that one does have to demonstate where the significance of the event on the larger scale should be to post it (such as how The Game Awards have been handled in the last few years, not an assurance). I would agree that the Country Music Awards is far too niche given we already post the Grammys which had its own country music awards.<span id="Masem:1715981349797:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem  (t) 21:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose reigonal at best Ion.want.uu (talk) 22:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose not that influential awards event and also article is in not a good state.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 07:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Ulu Tiram police station attack
A rare attack in this country. Last major activity by/of/on terrorists in the country was in 2015. See Terrorism in Malaysia. – robertsky (talk) 09:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Interesting story, but not significant enough for ITN. There are no obvious larger implications linked to this specifically. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose it does not look like it will have long term implications.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 14:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Attack is not internationally significant enough to warrant an ITN post. Tofusaurus (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jaye Robinson
Toronto City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose Political career section is mostly election results without much about what Robinson accomplished in her role (outside of 1 sentence: "Alex Bozikovic, The Globe and Mail's architecture critic, described Jaye Robinson as "furiously anti-development".)  Spencer T• C 01:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Dabney Coleman
Well known actor. Unfortunately the article suffers from the usual shortcoming in citations. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose filmography and awards section needs more sourcing.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 14:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Could you please take another look now? Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is ready now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. I've been working on the citations in the article since his death made the news. Several other people have also contributed. Since starting several days ago, the number of unique references has increased from 31 to 68 references and the total number of citations has increased from 39 to 112. Before the news broke, there were 26 unique references used across 39 citations. Also, every listing in the filmography and awards sections is now cited. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 New Caledonia unrest
Protests going on in New Caledonia. Not sure if the scale of the protests qualify for ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Mild support lets see how things go for a bit first Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Protests are gaining in both scale and attention, and the article is well-developed. The   Kip  04:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support the news is getting a lot of international attention.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:46, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support – Fascinating and well-written article, looks very appropriate for our feature. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 07:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, flare-up in protests that is definitely relevant enough for ITN, bringing up the question of New Caledonia's independence once more. Article is also up to quality. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 08:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Conditional Support - Only getting larger and larger, riots have turned fatal, entire territory in chaos atm. Pretty major news. My only problem is that I don't think the article is quite good enough for an outline of the protests; only two paragraphs in the article are about the actual unrest. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:26, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Notable and article looks good. I assume It'll only grow more (the article, hopefully not the protests). ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 12:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per above. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 16:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted –  Schwede 66  20:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * New Caledonia should be wikilinked in the posted blurb, as it was in the nomination. LukeSurlt c 14:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Why?  Schwede 66  19:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Where. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Or, for those who don't "get" quips, locations of events are typically seen as rather central to the story. If linked, it would avoid a need to spell out the whole post-comma, elaborately geopolitical taily-do. Of course, those who don't get quips probably don't see why brevity's "cool", either. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I know we don't generally follow our parent section's examples (blurb or RD), but I like how Current Events May 18 has it today: The death toll from the protests and riots in New Caledonia rises to six people. Link the place, boldlink the P&R, Bob's your uncle. Just a suggestion. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Proposal to edit the text to "Protests break out in New Caledonia, a French territory in the Pacific Ocean, over voting rights changes". Any of the phrases "Ocean", "in the Pacific Ocean", and "a French territory in the Pacific Ocean" could be removed and I would be okay with that. But mainly the point of the proposal is to separate the phrases "Protests break out" and "over voting rights changes" since I think the sentence sounds clearer that way. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 00:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support change, also "a French territory" is more natural than "a territory of France". Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 07:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Breaking the protests and their subject into two clauses at opposite ends of a sentence doesn't flow well at all. Stephen 08:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah no. The current wording is much better than the way it was originally written in terms of flow. The "a territory of France" bit is arguably not even required, and readers should be able to get to the meat of what the hook is saying without stumbling over that I'm the middle. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're right, we don't normally describe what or where a region is. Stephen 08:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) EU investigation of Meta Platforms
--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The EU, the FTC, and others have investigations open against Meta and many other big tech firms over various practices. Should a significant finding and penalty come out of those, that would be the time to post, but not at the start of any such investigation. --M asem (t) 12:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose merely starting an investigation. If they're convicted of something, or get a huge fine, maybe we can reconsider. Also, the update to the article is one short sentence, giving no more information than is in the blurb, so even if this was important enough there wouldn't be enough encyclopaedic material to post in ITN. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment The BBC report says that it's not just Meta, Sounds just like Wikipedia.  I can give it up any time I want... Andrew🐉(talk) 15:00, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please point to the algorithm that has been created in software by the WMF that suggests other pages to look at. We have curated links and See Alsos by editors but that's clearly not what EU is evaluating.<span id="Masem:1715876677684:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 16:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Not the level we require for ITN. BilboBeggins (talk) 15:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose maybe if it gets banned but not now Ion.want.uu (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per above. The   Kip  04:36, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose per above.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Sumatra flash floods and cold lava
Ainty Painty (talk) 06:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment - May 2024 Sumatra flash floods and cold lava (not a great title) was created four days after 2024 West Sumatra floods and cover the same topic. 2024 West Sumatra floods should be the main target article, and updates should go there. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Contents merged and article is large enough so I will give my support Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 07:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eddie Gossage
A longtime auto racing promoter from Texas who has recently died from cancer. Article recently promoted to GA. Cheers, and carpe diem! Nascar9919 (he/him • t • c) 03:18, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Strong support it is a Good article therefore marking it ready.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - GA status acheived prior to subject's death. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  06:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Katherine Porter
American artist. Obituary published 15 May. Thriley (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)


 * almost ready Bibliography section needs just a bit more sources.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 14:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please have a look at your convenience. Ktin (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is ready now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 23:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Darren Dutchyshen
Canadian sportscaster. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 *  Technical Oppose Succinct, sourced and (from what I remember on TV) essentially true; he was 57. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there any sort of Oppose besides technical for RD?  Bremps  ...  15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Between you and me, no (not technically). But if I'd just plain Opposed, I'd have looked like the jerk delaying this till Victoria Day. This way, the system catches the heat (as it should) and I come away looking like the sort of guy who respects the rulebook. That kind of thing comes in handy for a voter or potential nominator, and getting "thrown under the bus" does nothing to effectively hinder the ITNQUALITY machine (it's all smoke and mirrors). InedibleHulk (talk) 10:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Sourced and tagless. &#8213;  "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  06:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose WP:STUB at 1390 B (228 words) readable prose.—Bagumba (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support meets the bare minimum requirement.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 14:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Slight Support Wish we had something about early life, but I don't see anything else holding it back.  Bremps  ...  15:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now 295 words of prose. Anything else to add? Any WP:RS for his previous marriage with three kids? That would make this wikibio comfortably in start class, imo. --PFHLai (talk) 23:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted –  Schwede 66  09:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kamla Beniwal
Governor of three different states in India, amongst many other things. Not ready yet (orange tags and citations needed), but it looks like editors are working on improving it. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose two orange tags and needs more sources.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Article has a lot of unsourced parts and neutrality is disputed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Shooting of Robert Fico, Prime Minisiter of Slovakia
Developing story, incident will likely have dedicated article soon. Robert Fico, the Prime Minister of Slovakia, was shot in what appears to be an attempted assassination. He has been hospitalised - at present his situation/prognosis is unclear. LukeSurlt c 13:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC) edit: changed target article to recently created Shooting of Robert Fico. --LukeSurlt c 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability Regardless of what happens next, a prime minister getting shot is notable enough to blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, but the one-sentence update is insufficient for posting. We should wait for more details to come in.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as the article is further developed now. Details are slowly arriving as well.ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support This incident is noticeable, because it is a head of government being shot, which should never happen, but is notable enough to blurb.
 *  TomMasterReal  TALK 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - But this incident should probably have its own article. Maybe build this before listing? 62.253.84.138 (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Shooting of Robert Fico Lukt64 (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support in principle but not currently ready. More depth needed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability as the page isn't fully done yet but hopefully once more depth is added it's ready. A head of state or government getting shot is notable enough for a blurb. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 14:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait at least a few hours for details to emerge and a proper article to be written. We're not a breaking news service, an encyclopaedic article needs to be developed first. This absolutely merits a blurb, but the shooting was only an hour ago and we don't know the outcome yet, let alone the details of what happened and why. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on notability but details are still emerging and article needs expansion.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support on principle but wait at least a few hours per above. Estreyeria (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait for a few hours then Support This is certainly making headlines but the article should probably be developed more before we add it.-FusionSub (talk) 16:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support but wait for expansion. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support as it easily meets notability--a head of government being shot. But wait for the full details and any updates, as Fico is reportedly in a life-threatening condition. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment "what appears to be an assination attempt"... so is it an assination attempt?
 * CheetasOnMission (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article quality has evolved past stub and is in acceptable condition to be posted Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll post this when the lead is longer than one sentence and we source fewer tweets. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - article looks ready. User:Muboshgu, the lead is now 3 sentences and lots of references. No tweets jump out at me. Nfitz (talk) 18:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good given the sources that are out there. I'm sure it'll get expanded once more is known. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Braganza (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gudrun Ure
Scottish actress best known for Super Gran. Article is a stub and needs expanding, which I shall make a start on now. Edit: better now, still a little short but there's enough there. Black Kite (talk) 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait until the page is expanded and more depth is added, then it'll be ready. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 14:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I can't see that there's an issue with this one now, so I've marked it ready. Black Kite (talk) 22:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted Stephen 03:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Russian Kharkiv Offensive
Ok, I know, I know. This is ongoing, however the new Russian offensive is front-page news on almost every site. My main argument is that we posted events in the 2023 Ukrainian Summer Offensive, and this new Russian offensive has taken just as much land as Ukraine did last year, and is the first time a new front has opened since the invasion in 2022. It's a significant development in the conflict that warrants a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as what seems to be a major turning point in the conflict. I'll note that it has been argued by some to be a feint to divert Ukrainian resources from Donetsk, but the extent of the operation makes me doubt that. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 12:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Covered by ongoing, and it's too early to tell if this is going to be a major development. Now, if Kharkiv falls, I'd support that as a significant development. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support even if this is covered by ongoing it still is a major development. Lukt64 (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose because this is already covered by the ongoing item. I warned that such a major escalation that would warrant inclusion might happen one day when nominating the ongoing item for removal last year. It was better to remove then and re-post a blurb followed by a move to ongoing, but there was simply no support for it, so let it be as it is now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now since although it is a major development and a turning point in the war, it is already covered in ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 14:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. If the Russians capture Kharkiv, that would be worth a blurb. At present this is just the beginnings of a long-anticipated offensive (not a 'second front', given there are several already), so can be left to ongoing. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose posting this will open a floodgate. Soon stories about ISreal-Gaza war will be nominated then there will arguments that this was nominated and there will some who will say this was different. So, in order to avoid that it is best to not post this.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:03, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think a new front in the war opening in Southern Lebanon, for example, would be very much blurb worthy. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose covered by ongoing. The   Kip  15:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose covered by ongoing. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 16:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose too soon to be that important, per above. Aaron Liu  (talk) 19:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) PM of Singapore
Could not quite figure out how to word this blurb in the best way. Lee Hsien Loong has ruled Singapore for nearly twenty years and his successor, Lawrence Wong, is taking over today. Figured highlighting both extensive articles because of the rare transfer of power in Singapore. --Classicwiki (talk) 04:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb II, Important to note that Lee Hsien Loong has been in power for many years User:GodzillamanRor (talk) June 29, 2024
 * Support The articles seem ok.  I've added a blurb with two features: mention Singapore at the outset, to establish the context.  And use the word "retire" rather than "resign" as this change seems to be mainly age-related.  Two other points which would be hard to fit in are that this seems to be the end of the Lee family political dynasty and that the succession seems to have been stage-managed rather than being an open election. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * - if ALT5/6 are better than what you've proposed, I ask that you withdraw your earlier ALT.  starship .paint  (RUN) 13:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose alt 2 - because the Singaporean prime minister is not a ruler. Original blurb or alt blurb are OK, alt 3 and 4 are OK too if edited for grammar. Banedon (talk) 07:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support ALT5 & ALT6 main, ALT1 & ALT2. Oppose any blurb with the "resigned/retired" wording (revised position, whatever Starship said below makes sense to me). S5A-0043 Talk 08:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to add that this should only be posted after 8PM Singapore Time (12 noon GMT+0/8AM EDT), as the swearing in will only be taking place at that time. S5A-0043 Talk 08:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Officially sworn in: . S5A-0043 Talk 12:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Alt3 I find the Alt burb 3rd to most correct.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 11:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment - Lee has definitely not "retired", he is now a Senior Minister of Singapore. That makes "resigned" misleading as well, as he is still both an MP and Cabinet member. "steps down" is more appropriate, being used by AP, BBC and Reuters above, and by Singaporean media as well. Proposed ALT5 and ALT6.  starship .paint  (RUN) 13:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, "steps down" is fine. My concern with the word "resign" is that it carries connotations of failure or scandal and that doesn't seem appropriate here. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed with you as well. LHL was still an MP and part of cabinet (as Senior Minister). There was no indication of retirement nor resignation, and the explanation was also justified. Sculture65 (talk) 14:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support ALT6; Oppose ALT1, ALT2 and ALT4 - This one was very appropriate in context, compared to the other five. And I also agree on each other comments as well that PM Lee had not retired from politics either; it's just only becoming Senior Minister instead and had not ruled out of retirement. Also, congratulations to him as well, best wishes to him. Sculture65 (talk) 14:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment (also opposing ALT3 and original) - Resignation is not the right word either; if that was resignation, it refer to exiting the parliament or office, and it can be confusing to readers if that word was used without proper clarification. Step down is a more proper, appropriate verb in this case. Sculture65 (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment and suggestion - Just go with that ALT6 and with this point blurb, it was rather making more sense and proper. It also shows that PM Lee still remain as cabinet and MP and Lawrence Wong assuming PM-ship. I have to oppose original, ALT1, ALT2 and ALT3 (because of the word resignation), as well as ALT4 (again, PM Lee did not retire). ALT5 was a bit too long though. Sculture65 (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ALT5 and ALT6 as they are the most appropriate in context. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ALT6 gets my vote. However, the next Singaporean general election (an ITN/R event as well) will be held no later than November 2025, which will be more significant than this change of leadership. – robertsky (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support with any of the blurbs CheetasOnMission (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Alt6 per Sculture65 GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ALT6. Shouldn't the comma be removed, though? Aaron Liu  (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted ALT6 –  Schwede 66  19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * - image for Lawrence Wong has been up > 24 hours, could we swap for image of Lee Hsien Loong? Perhaps File:Lee Hsien Loong June 2018.JPG or File:Lee Hsien Loong in 2019 (cropped) 3.jpg? Thank you.  starship .paint  (RUN) 07:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think we post photos of outgoing politicians, . I've given Robert Fico another run.  Schwede 66  08:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * - I see, alright.  starship .paint  (RUN) 08:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Schwede66 @Starship.paint: added Lee's pic. I don't have an opinion on the image, but note that the blurb's length is mostly attributed to Lee. —Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine by me.  Schwede 66  05:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Diane Deans
Ottawa City Councillor. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support the article appears to be adequately cited. <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 12:23, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Nothing too important seems to be missing and all facts are cited.  Bremps  ...  15:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Three {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 23:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted I've hidden the uncited content.  Schwede 66  01:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Don Perlin
American comic book artist. Co-creator of Moon Knight, Bloodshot and others. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose As of now, the article lacks references for the works section. <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 13:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Netiporn Sanesangkhom
Thai political activist. 240F:7A:6253:1:CC76:F38C:52DD:4499 (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. Well developed article. I've added credit for Screwdriverr as the other major contributor. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. Article quality is adequate. gobonobo  + c 00:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't post recent deaths where there is an unreferenced date of birth.  Schwede 66  01:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Schwede66, I have added a DOB citation from a Thai language source. Looking for more, but the only one I can find at the moment. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted I have commented out an unreferenced controversial statement: "it is widely acknowledged in society that Section 112 has taken Bung’s life." Feel free to hunt down a ref for this and unhide it again.  Schwede 66  08:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Shirley Conran
Quite a big name in her day. I'd be suggesting a blurb but we don't have a free picture, alas. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, article is well sourced and easy to read Sharrdx (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, per above. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 16:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Works is entirely unreferenced. Stephen 00:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , I have referenced the works section. Given those additions, I support, because the article is now ready. <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 13:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted –  Schwede 66  00:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Alice Munro
Awards and honours are largely unsourced. Mooonswimmer 16:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Nobel Prize in Literature Laureate. Once awards and honours are sourced. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 16:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have went through and cited most of them. I think the dates on one or two of them are wrong, and some sources contradict each other, but overall in much better shape. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Article looks in good shape. I'll be bold to even suggest blurb support given how she "revolutionized" short stories and most of her obituaries describe her as a pioneer of short storytelling. I know she was in her 90s, but it appears she was at the top of field in terms of storytelling/short storytelling. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Article looks good. Support blurb due to her Nobel Prize and significance as a short story writer, especially an Anglophone writer. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Simply being a Nobel winner is not sufficient for a blurb. There should be a significant amount of discussion on the article to demonstrate they were considered a great figure in their field.<span id="Masem:1715723278119:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 21:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Currently working on a legacy section that ideally would show how her works impacted the short story form. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is perhaps some parts under the Writing header that could be moved under the new Legacy section like the comparison to Chekhov. M asem (t) 04:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Did just that. I'll try expanding her legacy/career sections some more, but I think the writing section covers parts where the career section doesn't. I'd like the idea to make the writing section a subsection of her career section, but not sure if it's the right move. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb We're not blurbing every Nobel prize winner. There's around, 10 per year? Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 22:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * From my perspective at least, I'm supporting a blurb not because she won a Nobel prize, but because of her impact in the short story writing field. She has been widely described as a master and influential figure in that field. Currently adding a legacy section to demonstrate this. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * She has 105 wiki pages, that is more than other Nobel laureates. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb, but on quality For someone who is being suggested as a blurb, I'd expect a far more in-depth article than this - it's less than 2000 words of prose. That's not to deprecate the work that people have done on it today - that was great - but it's simply too thin.  Her "Career" section is ridiculously short and writes off entire decades in a sentence. For example From the 1980s to 2012, Munro published a short-story collection at least once every four years. First versions of Munro's stories have appeared in journals such as The Atlantic Monthly, Grand Street, Harper's Magazine, Mademoiselle, The New Yorker, Narrative Magazine, and The Paris Review. Her collections have been translated into 13 languages That's it for 30 years? Black Kite (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll expand her career section, but (from what I think) the areas that aren't covered in the career section are covered in the writing section, hence me mulling making the writing section a subsection of the career section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb per Black Kite. Why is this now a blurb nom? Because she's a Nobel laureate? Are we going to have blurb discussions for every Nobel laureate? We shouldn't. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, my rationale for a blurb is not that she's a nobel winner, it's that (based on obits/commentary about her works/justifications for awards) describe her as a pioneer in short story telling with her works leveling her to top of her field in terms of a writer. That's why I support this nom being a blurb. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb - Top of her field, winner of numerous top prizes and honors (not just the Nobel), an iconic female writer… and now that TDKR Chicago has laudably expanded the legacy section, I get a much better idea of her importance and in ITN terms, “blurb-worthiness.” The ITN opposes leave me utterly unconvinced, and I’m with TDKR’s rebuttal above. Every obit I have seen mentions her major impact on the short story form and her substantial influence therein, giving a female point of view at a time when it was not a common phenomenon as well as in many of her works a Canadian perspective. Inclusive, of international interest, and highly worthy of a front page Wikipedia blurb in the ITN feature. To those on the fence, I suggest reading an obit or two. The NYT one is good as is this onein The Guardian. Jusdafax (talk) 01:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, got every writing award that exists. Top of the field. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support blurb I'm usually hesitant about death blurbs for writers mostly due to the Nobel Prize hype, but Alice Munro was clearly a great and notable short-story writer with numerous notable awards won, yet definitely not at the level of Chekhov.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb. Blurbs are only for people of huge global significance like Thatcher or Mandela. Winning a Nobel prize is impressive, but there are far too many such to post them all when they pass away. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * RD Only Doesn't rise to the level of significance that warrants a blurb. Transformative in a somewhat niche field - short story writing, a subset of literature - but if everyone at this level of significance got a blurb, there would be a death blurb every few days. 1779Days (talk) 09:33, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Blurb I think she was clearly an influential writer and is blurb-worthy considering she is the first person to be awarded Nobel Prize exclusively for their short stories.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 11:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose blurb - Surely being a Noble laureate alone is not sufficient cause to justify a blurb given the criteria we have established. Duly signed, ⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper - (talk)  12:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment & : My rationale (as stated in previous comments) for pushing for a blurb on this is not because she's a nobel winner. My rationale is because she is clearly an influential figure in her respective field, in this case the writing field of short stories. Her obits, as Jusdafax pointed out, highlight how much of a pioneer and "master" she was of short storytelling hence why I added the legacy section to reflect the impact she had. Recently we blurbed Peter Higgs, but from what I understood, we didn't blurb him because he was a nobel winner, but because he was at the top of his field. I felt that Higgs would've gotten blurbed with or without a nobel win, hence my reasoning behind Munro's nom. Sure it's a plus she got a nobel, but the impact her work had on the field of short storytelling would not have had a lesser impact has she not gotten the nobel. Take the time to read her legacy section and some obits like from the NYT, Guardian, BBC, CNN and you'll see why I'm nominating her. She has been regarded the top of her field and an influential writer at that. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think if you look back over the years, you'll see that being "top of the field" isn't really enough. Examples like Kirk Douglas and Vera Lynn, you could argue those guys were leading in their field and well known, but they were not blurbed. Blurbs are really the exception not the rule for exceptional high-profile cases, the default is to post in RD. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So Munro shouldn't get blurbed because Douglas and Lynn didn't get blurbed? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Munro, Douglas and Lynn shouldn't and didn't get blurbed because being "top of the field" isn't really enough. That Douglas and Lynn weren't blurbed first is just a matter of having been born first. Outstanding careers all around, but as far as death goes, the only noteworthy thing between them are 299 years of earlier work. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted RD, discussion can continue Stephen 00:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cyril Wecht
American forensic pathologist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:40, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose various cn tags and needs more sources.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:15, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Four {cn} tags remaining in the prose. List of books by the subject also needs sourcing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sushil Kumar Modi
Indian Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose positions held section needs sourcing and there are some paragraphs ending without a footnote.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Article reads well and overall, it's adequately referenced. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Lots of unreferenced material. Stephen 00:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Samm-Art Williams
American actor and playwright. 240F:7A:6253:1:D5ED:1620:B68D:586C (talk) 01:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose multiple cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Nine {cn} tags remaining in the prose. Emmy nominations in the Awards section also need sourcing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 20:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Birubala Rabha
Indian Anti-witch hunting activist. Article looks ready to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 17:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support look ready to be posted. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 11:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. It’s ready for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 23:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 22:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Arthur Irving
Canadian billionaire businessman who owned Irving Oil, a part of the family-owned conglomerate Irving Group of Companies. B3251 (talk) 18:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks good to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is well sourced. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 11:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Removed) Remove Myanmar civil war from ongoing
Insufficient updates to the main article for ongoing. Last 50 edits go back to April, no significant updates for May. Stephen 01:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Timeline The timeline has an update for May so we should add that like the other wars. The NYT recently published a detailed briefing so it's still in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think one update for the month of May is sufficient, especially when compared to, let's say, the Ukraine war, which was multiple updates every single day. Support removal. DecafPotato (talk) 07:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I just added two significant developments and so now May has three entries. It was easy. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mild support removal with regular review - The situation is rapidly changing, and I think there could be new developments in the future that make this notable again. But as of now, it's not being updated or covered enough to be ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait Checking news sites now gives me multiple such as AP, and Al Jazeera which both have articles out about the conflict in the last week. While I agree that this has gotten significantly less coverage then other wars it is not quite ready to pull. I think that the lack of news coverage is due to overshadowing and english audiences not having interest. The conflict is a bit confusing for major sources to run regular stories on. We need to wait to make a decicion, though I agree that there needs to be disscussion on removing it. Normalman101 (talk) 15:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC) AP ALJ
 * Oppose article not getting update is a editing issue. Because otherwise the fighting is still very much going on.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Even if an event is ongoing, if no one is bothered to update our article, that is reason to remove from ongoing.<span id="Masem:1715631724143:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 20:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For an article to remain listed on ongoing, it must be being actively updated. That there is still fighting occurring does not matter if the article is not receiving updates. Curbon7 (talk) 21:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 17:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose it's still ongoing. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ongoing's become a pointless "what wars flared up in the last 1.5 years" ticker. Many wars around the world are still ongoing, the Myanmar civil war simply is not in the news enough to justify keeping it here. AryKun (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose due to the fact that the war is still very much ongoing and active Lukt64 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant, the article is not being updated. Stephen 00:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support removal - items listed at ongoing are supposed to illustrate near-daily levels of significant updates to match what should be near-daily levels of new news coverage. That's not happening here. Plus, with three other far more active conflicts, we don't need what was an inflammation of long-term tensions that since has died down to be kept at ongoing. --M asem (t) 00:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Removed. Although there is some opposition, oppose arguments did not take into account lack of sufficiently regular article updates to keep the article in the ongoing section. Can consider renomination if this changes in the future.  Spencer T• C 05:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose close, even if not all "Oppose" arguments took into account the lack of update, there was still nothing close to a consensus for removal. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 05:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For context, the beginning of May alone has 4 daily entries in the timeline article, so discounting the arguments against removal with a "lack of sufficiently regular article updates" is ultimately subjective. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 05:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support removal The article is not receiving sufficient updates to remain on ongoing, indicating this has become just another episode of Myanmar's 80-year civil war. Curbon7 (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose The article is actually being fairly updated. It was just updated today to change the number of taken towns from 55 (I believe) to 57 when the Chins took two towns. The war is very much active and the timeline is also being updated. UnJapóLliure (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury
British peer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have orange-tagged the article.  Schwede 66  18:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Clive Johnstone
British Royal Navy Vice Admiral. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 22:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There are currently only 280 words of prose, without much info on what he did in my many roles in the Royal Navy over his 3+decade-long career. --PFHLai (talk) 23:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: David Sanborn
Amwrican saxophonist. Orange tag. Sincerely, Dilettante 22:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose orange tag: discography, filmography, Broadcasting and Recordings sections are all unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support after cleanup. Influential saxophonist in the jazz fusion era. dekema  (Formerly Buffaboy) (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , it’s irrelevant whether someone was influential. The only relevant issue for a recent death post is whether the article is up to standard. This one is poorly referenced; an orange tag is a showstopper.  Schwede 66  19:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: A. J. Smith
NFL executive, needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Almost ready two cn tags needs to be fixed.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @PrinceofPunjab, I updated, re-arranged, and found some sources. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 18:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ready article is good enough now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Afghanistan–Pakistan floods
Ainty Painty (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article should be expanded a bit but otherwise it looks okay.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:30, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support but needs to be expanded. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 10:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Stale. The floods began in March. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 12:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Looks decent enough with continued coverage.BabbaQ (talk) 13:26, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mostly Stale Some death and bodycounting continues, but the lion's share was in March and April; maybe Ongoing works? InedibleHulk (talk) 17:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ongoing would imply regular blurb-worthy updates, which doesn't appear to be the case here. Disagree with that possibility. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 17:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * On second look, you're right. . I choose Oppose. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Misleading, appears like 500 people died suddenly while this wasn't the case, this happened during a period of two months. Also, the current merge discussion is still open, and already was last time this was discussed. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per all above. Stale. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support The floods in Baghlan, Afghanistan itself with 300 deaths warrants a post ITN. They are definitely not stale, and the article mentions it, thus making the article not stale. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I thought I saw May in the body. On third look, you're right. But it's unclear (to me) from reading the sources if these are new deaths or part of a newly updated bodycount. If they're new, you might have a case. But if they've just been Taliban-tallied now, not so much. It'd be weird if ~60% of everyone who's died since March 6 died on Friday. Weirder things happen, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For clarity in those following along at home, the part about what happened in May looks different now. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * On 11 May, the Afghan World Food Program office said the floods killed 330 people. Does "On 11 May" refer to the date of the report only (with the deaths being cumulative), or also to the date of the 330 deaths? Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 20:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the report date, for Afghanistan only (after looking at the sources three times to make sure, anyway). If I were trying to say the floods killed 330 people on 11 May, I'd write it in that order. I can see how it's potentially ambiguous wherever it goes, though; rewrite if you know a clearer way. I'm pretty sure the infobox and lead are overcounting the total somehow, too. But that's just another problem. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There's also another UN department telling AFP on May 11 that over 200 died on May 10. That complicates things. The Taliban, in the same news article, announced 62 died that same day (Friday flash flood and Friday report), but that's not necessarily a contradiction, because Saturday (May 11) came later. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * As of Saturday (May 11/11 May), the interior ministry counted deaths from the Friday flood in Baghlan province alone at 131 and the UN 218. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Altblurbed to focus on the Baghlan part. As of now, I neither support nor oppose this angle. The article doesn't say enough about it, yet. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Trying alt2 here to include the death count to date. --M asem (t) 22:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And I changed your "over" to "almost" (330 was mistaken for 430 in an earlier article version). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support altblurb 2 the altblurb addresses the above concerns about the clarity of the death toll. <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 02:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Stale item, as mentioned above. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Not stale per article dates, needs to be expanded as mentioned above, but adaquately sourced and still ongoing Normalman101 (talk) 18:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Terry Blair (serial killer)
American serial killer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 21:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have placed close to a dozen citation needed tags.  Schwede 66  19:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Susan Backlinie
First Victim in Jaws and acted in several Spielberg movies Normalman101 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose filmography and other sections are unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 06:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * User:PrinceofPunjab: It's all sourced now. -- Green  C  00:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Rewritten, and all text sourced. The filmography box is not sourced but 4 of the 10 films are sourced in the body of the article, and the rest probably can be via the blue links to the films. -- Green  C  01:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I linked to IMDB cast lists for the Filmography box, needs to be cleaned up but the article is looking better thanks to you. Normalman101 (talk) 14:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jasper White (chef)
Chef.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:18, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Article seems generally well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose multiple cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @PrinceofPunjab, all cn tags have been addressed. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ready marking it ready now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 11:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted – robertsky (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ron Ellis
Canadian professional ice hockey. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose nearly a dozen cn tags, orange tag and career statistics-International play sections are unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Blurb/RD: Roger Corman
Its going to take a lot of sourcing work to get ready for posting. (Note, died on the 9th but this is first report of his death) --M asem (t) 02:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong Support RD once it's up to code. Heck, if I'm willing to be so bold, I would even Support blurb given how he employed/mentored several directors that ended up becoming transformative in the film industry, such as Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, James Cameron, as well as playing a role in launching the extremely influential New Hollywood period. Mount Patagonia  (talk • contributions) 04:41, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose RD a very significant part of the article is unsourced. Oppose Blurb he is not the most influential filmmaker of our time.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:01, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb. One of the most influential filmmakers in Hollywood. Had received Academy Award and had decades long career. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb: Once the article is improved. Article shows nobility and how Corman was, according to the article itself, a pioneer of New Hollywood. Definitely influential in his field. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Once article is up to scratch, transformative figure in Cinema. yorkshiresky (talk) 10:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb He clealrly an influential person in his field but I don't he is blurb-worthy. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 10:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb, as much I watch B films, off the top of my head I can't name a single Corman-directed film and our article admits his directorial filmography ended by the 1970s. Apparently a less-known tier than Francis Ford Coppola or Steven Spielberg. Brandmeistertalk  13:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb I don’t see how he transformed cinema in the same way his contemporaries Andrei Tarkovsky and Sergio Leone did.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb Even as an American, he does not appear to be a truly transformative figure in the film industry way that is necessary to justify a blurb. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose RD due to lots of unsourced statements, especially in the early parts of his Career section. Oppose blurb in general- old man dies. -- Kicking222 (talk) 15:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb, far from the transformative level we expect for a blurb and, while he helped mentor many extremely influential filmmakers, he sadly didn't rise to that level himself. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 16:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb Once article is up to standards. Important figure in Cinema.  Academy Award and had decades long career,  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Old Man Dies Again, no disrespect, but once again, there's nothing to learn from this "news" except how old he finally became. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support blurb. Shaped our current pop culture landscape as much as, and indeed probably more than, Stan Lee, and we gave him a blurb. Daniel Case (talk) 22:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb So many people can reach the bar of influence that Corman had. We're giving them all death blurbs? We shouldn't. This is what the RD section was made for. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:27, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 00:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There's at least 30 paragraphs that don't end with a reference. As well as plenty of other unreferenced information. Stephen 00:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support RD Influencial person, with a good article. I won't be so bold as to support a blurb but i think that the definitely deserves the RD. Seems like the issues have been fixed. Normalman101 (talk) 19:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support RD - Seems like some of the issues have been fixed, could use some more sourcing, but overall not bad. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:34, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Still a great number of unsourced paragraphs and cn tags.<span id="Masem:1715703289572:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 16:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not ready I’ve placed about a dozen citation needed tags plus an orange tag.  Schwede 66  16:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2024

 * Comment The event article (i.e. bold Eurovision Song Contest 2024) is ITN/R. Kingsif (talk) 23:02, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Technical oppose 1. Detailed results (and Bezençon awards) need adding/refs, 2. Split out the controversies with a sufficient summary at the main article. Kingsif (talk) 23:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Quality issues There's a few sections lacking sources, but its close. I don't think it matters if the controversy section is split off or not, though key is leaving a key summary would be required. But all the results have combos of prose and tables and most everything is ready. Also, I believe it is still the country that wins the award, not the performer (though they still should be named) so it should be something like "Switzerland, represented by the song "The Code" performed by Nemo, wins the Eurovision Song Contest 2024". --M asem (t) 23:21, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Added altblurb - az pineapple  &#124; T/C 06:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality Detailed results section needs more refrences.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Article is way too long and very difficult to read in its current format. Needs some forks in order to make it more reader-friendly. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose article is way too long to read, due to excessive amounts of detail bordering on WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:43, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And Nemo (rapper) article is also barely more than a stub, career section needs significant expansion before this could be considered to meet WP:ITNQUALITY. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think we usually bold link the artist? Kingsif (talk) 10:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And the contest article has an orange tag for neutrality related to the section on Israel. So all in all, we don't have an article anywhere near meeting WP:ITNQUALITY. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:53, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Hopefully resolved that part. Getting the article trimmed? Harder. Kingsif (talk) 17:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The content of the Eurovision articles is governed by the guidelines at WP:EUROVISION, which were updated last year after a discussion. Therefore, so long as a section is in the guidelines it's reasonable to assume that it has some consensus for inclusion. A.D.Hope (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Whether a section has consensus for inclusion in the article, and whether it makes the article too long to read for someone getting there from the Main Page, are two different things. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 18:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure they are two different things. If a section has consensus for inclusion then it presumably isn't generally considered to make the article unreasonably long. A particular example of the section in a given Eurovision Song Contest article might be bloated, but it can always be trimmed. A.D.Hope (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality, especially given the orange tagged section for neutrality. That's not the kind of stuff we want on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 15:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support as of my time, the article has been improved and there are no longer any CN or Neutrality tags (I addressed two outstanding CN tags myself). I respectfully disagree with the concerns about length. The abundance of charts/tables is broadly consistent with how Eurovision articles are formatted - see, for example, Eurovision Song Contest 2023. In terms of the associated controversies and chronology, this article is longer because there is more to say about this year's event: it was more discussed in the press, it had more politics, more protests, and more drama. An event being MORE discussed resulting in there being MORE to say about it (thus creating a longer article) is the exact reason the article should make it to ITN... not vice versa. It seems strange and very bureaucratic for "this event was more notable and more widely discussed this year, and I don't like how that that made the article longer" to be essentially the reason that this nom is torpedoed. It is ITNR. <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 02:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It still has the WP:TRIVIA like the "postcard" table, complete voting list, and lists of spokespersons. Removing or condensing those into a couple of paragraphs of text would make the article more manageable to read. Just because it's similar to other years, that doesn't mean that those aren't trivia. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 10:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have commented out the postcard table for now pending a discussion whether this does violate TRIVIA. I strongly dispute the claim that spokespersons and the complete voting breakdown would constitute trivia however. The spokespersons are seen on camera and considerable media attention is given, within Eurovision fandom and also elsewhere, about who each country chooses as their spokesperson, and their "performance" on the night. As for the "complete voting list" I'm not entirely sure what you mean with this? Are you referring to the voting tables in the "Detailed results" section? I would imagine that in a contest where countries vote for each other's entries that how each country voted would be incredibly relevant to the article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * For the record, I agree with you completely. The postcards are indeed pushing it, but everything else mentioned by @Joseph2302 are, in fact, the exact sort of content which I would anticipate that someone who types "Eurovision 2024" on Wikipedia to be searching for. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if people are searching up the article, not reading most of the "substance", and beelining it just to those tables for the easy quick reference guide that they offer. The tables are one of the most valuable parts of the article! <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 21:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support I think article is ready now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is good enough to be posted. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 17:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article looks good and is ready as stated above, quality issues seem to be fixed Normalman101 (talk) 18:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 23:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

2023–2024 Georgian protests

 * Comment if there were big protests today, the article should have events on May 10/11/12, but the last date involves the arrests of a few people on May 9. Also, I really dislike featuring an article that is 90% proseline, but that's alonger term improvement issue. --M asem (t) 23:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Updated with references now. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. Important news. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now While these events may be significant enough for a blurb, the article does not have enough up to date information on the recent protests. I only see 2 sentences on events occurring within the past week; that is not enough recent news to warrant a blurb. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:38, 12 May 2024‎ (UTC)
 * What is it specifically that you believe is missing that is not already covered by the article? Abcmaxx (talk) 07:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support after revision The subject matter is important and the protests are happening now in scale, but the article needs a lot of work. Due to the nature of the article it has far more content about 23'-april 24' then anything happening now. for events after may 3rd there is only 3 sentences I can see. With some work I would say fully support. Normalman101 (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support on notability, oppose on quality per Normalman101. <b style="color:Teal;">Flip</b><sup style="color:purple">and <b style="color:lime">Flopped</b> <b style="color:grey"> ツ</b> 21:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Update has now been majorly updated and expanded. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is still a lot to be done, but this is hitting the front pages, might need to be split like you suggested before going on main. AP, WP BBC Normalman101 (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I can't split it unless theres a clear consensus which means a lot more votes and comments on the proposal, and a non-involved admin closes it. If you could specify what exactly you believe needs doing I can try and do it in the meantime Abcmaxx (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support post update. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support in principle but oppose on quality. Major protests drawing international attention. The article is long and has a lot of references but is still a mess. There's an ongoing proposal to split it into two, an orange-tagged section, multiple sections of WP:PROSELINE, paragraphs/sections with only one sentence etc. It requires a heavy copyedit and reorganisation of the sections before I would be comfortable making it a bold link in ITN. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 19:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mary Wells Lawrence
American advertising executive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose article needs more sources.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Interesting and influential subject. One relevant slogan was for Ford, "Quality is Job 1".  The quality of this article is fine. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * About 10 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:59, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * About 7 {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Surjit Patar
Needs a bit work.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support there is one cn tag but otherwise okay. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 10:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Tag has been fixed, and article looks fine for RD. Jackattack1597 (talk) 14:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but this doesn't look ready to me.  Schwede 66  03:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose - multiple CN tags and a clarification needed tag. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 07:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Pinging@Schwede66 and @Jalapeño, all the cn tags have been resolved. Please take an another look.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted –  Schwede 66  00:43, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Christopher Edley Jr.
Likely will need more work / expansion. Star action ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 17:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I support this idea. --evrik (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gerhard Müller (Lutheran theologian)
Lutheran theologian and bishop (of Brunswick) who combined both functions. I expanded a stub. German has more detail but sadly without sources, and searches for this very common name are tricky, - help welcome. He died on his 95th birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks ready to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 17:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mary Banotti
Irish politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Neutral article meets bare minimum requirement, but there should more information regarding her 20 years as an MEP.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 17:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jim Peterson
Canadian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose there is a need for more sources.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 17:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sam Rubin
American TV entertainment reporter. Article tripled in size and fortified with 20+ new references. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 08:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose Article looks mostly fine, but there are still some issues. The infobox has some stuff that isn't in the prose and also unsourced, namely the names of his spouses, how long he was married to them and how many children he had with each of them (prose just says that he was twice married and has four kids), and that he won the "Associated Press Television and Radio Award" (not mentioned in prose at all). Also his DoB isn't in the prose and is unsourced as well. Scientia potentia est, Monarch  OfTerror  10:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Tried to clean up some of this. There is a bit of a likely circular reference issue with any ref from the last 24 hours. Unfortunately sources about his first wife are nonexistent, so I had to excise that altogether. Was able to cite the DoB. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 18:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Article quality looks sufficient for RD now, support. Scientia potentia est, Monarch  OfTerror  19:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) May 2024 solar storms
Largest solar storm in decades. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait - the northern lights don't seem to be much further south than has been observed on several occasions during the last year or two. I'd think we'd need something more noteworthy - a power grid failure or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait, but support The article as it stands right now is seriously underselling it; the aurora has reportedly reached all the way down to Jamaica at 18 degrees north. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Strike while the iron is hot The aurora is visible right now where it's dark and will persist into the weekend.  But it's dawn where I am and so I've missed last night but will be looking out for a recurrence on Saturday night as I've never seen an aurora.  As time is of the essence, we should get this posted immediately to alert everyone. Note that this is not just a light show but this major solar storm might affect infrastructure too.  Andrew🐉(talk) 05:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You're in the UK right? I wasn't able to catch it in London yesterday. I think there will be some activity tonight as well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Largest event in many years.... severe effect on radio communications. Ariconte (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Agree with Andrew. Post this now while people can still go outside and see it; no need to wait for a disaster. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Proposed initial blurb is northern hemisphere biased. Spectacular aurora australis has also been seen much more northerly than usual. dmmaus (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support This is the largest solar storm in over thirty years, definitely news worthy. The article doesn't have quality issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support This is a worldwide event with multiple news and government agencies reporting on it, specifically stating that a storm of this kind hasn't hit the Earth since 2003. I also support dmmaus's comment to reword the blurb, since these aurora are happening in the southern hemisphere too. I'm not sure if I can directly edit the template, but I'd change the blurb to something like "Major solar storms impact Earth, resulting in communication disruptions and displays of aurorae visible at medium-low latitudes " SpacePod9 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per everyone above me. The linked article is well-referenced and gives a basic overview of what's happening, though I think the article should place a greater emphasis on the fact that these solar storms are the most powerful in over 30 years. Kurtis (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Per everyone else. I see @Dmmaus's point about northern hemisphere bias, as the Aurora Australis has also been intense over Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Argentina, but the vast majority of the aurora sightings are in the North, and I don't really see a better way to phrase it. Maybe 'displays of the Northern and Southern Lights seen at lower latitudes'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Vast majority? Have you measured it or are you just reaffirming your bias? There have been sightings in both hemispheres, period. Wording it accordingly is the way to go. Bedivere (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted Stephen 09:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality . Far too many uncited statements for such a short (barely more than a stub) article, and the thing in the hook about more northerly and southerly latitudes also isn't cited. Posting seems premature. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Finally able to remove this oppose, as the article is OK now (see below). But in future, ITN admins, please don't post at ITN if the article is obviously not up to scratch. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting comment. The phrasing "than usual" is subjective. We should perhaps list some specific places closest to the equator on each side to indicate extremities of latitude. For example: Florida, Italy/Bulgaria, and South Africa. Or, suggest alternate wording. 70.27.84.88 (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Post-posting pull Way too short of an article and there appear to be quality problems with it. Just because its covered worldwide doesn't mean it is ITN appropriate. --M asem (t) 12:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Come on, I think we can make an exception 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:31D5:F0B7:E1DF:125D (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now the article is in an acceptable state, but it should never have been posted as it was. Article quality remains a requirement for any featured link on the main page (not just an ITN requirement). M asem (t) 16:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Don't Pull By Frank Bainimarama standards, this isn't so uncited (and not even a living person). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's way below the standard at which an article is acceptable for the main page, BLP or otherwise. There's now an entire unreferenced section. SMH. Marking as "attention needed", because unless this is fixed quickly, it needs to be pulled. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There was a dubious accusation of assault against another named and linked BLP in the BLP. I agree, SMH. But that's the way the times have changed. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's not "the way the times have changed", we don't use the precedent of a badly sourced post to justify another. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 16:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If the rules have changed to allow articles with lots of missing citations and (as initially posted) not even the facts in the blurb properly cited, then I obviously missed that discussion... Anyway finally, many hours later, the article looks OK so withdrawing the "attention needed" at this point. But seriously, the article improvement needs to happen *before* posting, not way later. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * See You don't need to cite that the sky is blue which is literally applicable here. The article is now overcited and this makes source editing quite difficult.  Lots of footnotes are not the same thing as quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a difference between "the sky is blue" and the scientific specifics of a solar storm's strength. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 16:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hans Wahlgren
— Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs) 17:55, 2024 May 10 (UTC)


 * Support Article seems well-sourced, albeit short. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:30, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 02:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jim Simons
QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Philanthropist, mathematician, and hedge fund manager with a longstanding reputation for success in that field. Article has been updated and looks reasonable to me - no orange tags? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support RD for the most useful donor to science. Connor Behan (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good and and is pretty big, however it could use another sentence on his death. Normalman101 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. Both have been {cn}-tagged. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Thanks for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cam McCarthy
Australian rules footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose additional citations needed.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There are 3 {cn} tags remaining. The AFL Rising Star nomination at the bottom of the infobox needs to be mentioned and sourced in the main prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rex Murphy
Canadian commentator and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose more than a dozen cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * hope you can take another look. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted –  Schwede 66  05:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yvonne Mokgoro
South African Judge.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support looks good to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted –  Schwede 66  21:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sean Burroughs
Updating and sourcing in progress. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Almost ready two cn tags needs to be resolved.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support If nobody wants to resolve them, just delete them. Or post now in the knowledge that Wikipedia is a work in progress, hoping someone else might bring about any "needed" resolution...some day. The important thing today is how much better it already looks since he died. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted –  Schwede 66  21:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Chadian presidential election
Chose to direct to Mahamat Déby over 2024 Chadian presidential election, but provided it as an option in the second alt blurb. Swapped photos because main article page has an American flag in the background, and that might be a little confusing. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support both Déby's article and election article looks good enough to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose the election article doesn't even have key results like the %age of votes each candidate won. And election article is the logical article to bold if we only bold 1. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bold both we don't have to choose between them, we can just bold them both. Amended the nomination accordingly. Currently the election article is okay for prose, but the infobox and statistics really need expanding. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Abcmaxx - I figured there would be more resistance to highlighting the election article. Official tallies will be hard to come by at the moment as it is provisional. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Updated what I could, based on what I could find. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment - I think it's good to mention that there's been many accusations of electoral fraud, and this is generally not considered to be a free and fair democratic exercise PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This came up with the most recent election which resulted in Putin remaining in office, and the general consensus seemed to lean towards letting the article speak to that and keeping the blurb as concise as possible while remaining non-controversial. I believe there was a talk discussion as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I personally disagree, I think whether or not an election is an actual democratic election is important to mention. Shall we also post the 2024 North Korean elections? I hear it's gonna be a close race, I wonder who will win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is the reason I made alt1. He has been declared the winner by the electoral commission and reliable sources are saying he won. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah that might be the better option, saying the he has been declared the winner by the electoral commission rather than 'elected'. So, Support alt blurb I PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support alt1 - I think the articles are good enough now. We want to avoid editorializing at all so I'm opposed to saying outright that the election was fraudulent, but I think saying Deby was "declared the winner" is more accurate than saying he was fairly elected ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alt1 - the election article (which needs to be bolded) now appears to be in good shape from the earlier comments. Deby's is already good, and there's zero harm to bold that as well. --M asem (t) 14:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ALT1 per above. The   Kip  17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted ALT1 –  Schwede 66  21:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Colleen Barrett
Former president of Southwest Airlines and founding figure in the airline. I got this article cleaned up a few years ago, so it should be pretty good to go. Kenmelken (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - nice work! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There needs to be at least one sentence of prose on her death. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Kenmelken (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article is in good shape.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - I added some updates and an image. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article is good enough for RD, if we can find a cause of death that would make it a clear decision Normalman101 (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war

 * Support if the Russian invasion and Sudanese civil war articles have them, then I see no reason why such a complex and much-covered conflict shouldn't be in the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not opposing this, but we probably can talk removal of the Myanmar conflict, no updates since 27 April. --M asem (t) 12:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * that's not that long ago, can be rectified easily, but maybe make a new nomination to remove that conflict from ITN as not to de-rail this discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support to keep things consistent, but I would target Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) as the timeline article instead, since the Russia/Ukraine link targets the most recent sub-timeline ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The Russo-Ukrainian way aside, it would also make sense because the originally proposed article isn't a timeline at all. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as one of the original proponents for adding (timelines) to ongoing for the sake of consistency. — Knightof  theswords  16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support per above, no real reason not to. The   Kip  17:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support I think this is a clear decision, as one of the most heated and pressing ongoing conflicts, getting press worldwide, this definitely deserves a timeline. Normalman101 (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support for consistency This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support timelines for both on the basis of consistency. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) to ongoing. Stephen 03:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The link should presumably be updated to Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (7 May 2024 – present), right? * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 03:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Frank Bainimarama jailed

 * Support, the article looks comprehensive and well cited. Maybe "perverting the course of justice" could be written better. Tone 11:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's a legal term and specific offence. I think we should keep it as it is as not to fall foul of any WP:BLP or WP:BIAS rules. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Tone 14:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment Sounds like he's already been convicted. Maybe changing the blurb to "Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for perverting the course of justice." would be more precise?Estreyeria (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Notes The Guardian story above says he was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice. It also says first he was sentenced for perverting it. Maybe this means the attempt was successful and maybe it means the reporter was just being succinct earlier. In any case, we should become sure, somehow. Same for the five CN tags. I'm also not sure if there's a distinction between jail (for short sentences) and prison (for long hauls) in Fiji; are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In British English jail and prison mean the same thing, in the UK legally there is no such thing as jail. In Canada and the USA jails and prisons are two different places with slightly different functions. The Fijian legal (and political) system is likely to be based on the British system but if we have any Fijian Wikipedians or more likely Australian or New Zealander Wikipedians on here who have a better insight, then that would be great. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Jail (or rather gaol) and prison are one and the same in a lot of Westminster countries. Jail/gaol tends to be the more colloquial/conversational term whereas prison is the official term. Whereas in NA, jail tends to refer to mini-prisons ran by local governments (i.e. counties) while prison is those ran by state/provincial and federal governments. Aydoh8 (talk &#124; contribs) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * In some huge counties, the jails make state prisons look tiny. The main reason is that prisons only house convicted criminals, while jails hold untried suspects and small-time ("two years less a day" or "misdemeanor") convicts. Glad we're sure about Fiji now, though, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - he was the longtime leader and psuedo-dictator of Fiji, the fact he's now heading to prison seems notable enough for the front page. The   Kip  17:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Pending Citations InedibleHulk (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Aydoh8 (talk &#124; contribs) 02:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is this an indication that multiple tagged paragraphs are no longer a problem for biographies, no longer a problem for biographies of living people or no longer a problem for biographies of politicians? None of the above? In any case, don't pull; just seems odd. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Steve Albini

 * This was already posted. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Never mind then! Expected it to be under May 8 since that was when it was announced. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Moosa Raza
Indian civil servant.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose no way near ready to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Chris Cannon
Former U.S. representative. One orange-tagged section. Curbon7 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose article needs a bit more sourcing.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback)
Looks to be in solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks good to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - good shape ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ramón Fonseca Mora
a Panamanian novelist, lawyer and co-founder of Mossack Fonseca.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose article needs more sourcing particularly in the works section.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 05:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: K. P. Yohannan
70.27.84.88 (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose article needs a lot of work to be ITN eligible. Aydoh8 (talk &#124; contribs) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose article needs bit more sourcing.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Pete McCloskey
Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - article looks good and is well-sourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 21:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support Not sure as an updater if can vote on this nom, but article does look good. Good job to Sunshineisles2 for fixing up this article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You absolutely can comment, thank you. Stephen 05:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks ready.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon
Pioneer of Supergraphics.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose article needs more sources and Books section also have some works unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Almost ready Apart from an unreferenced date of birth, this looks good to go.  Schwede 66  02:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There's a footnote next to the DoB now. -PFHLai (talk) 04:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you please take a look now.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 North Macedonia elections
The official results from the presidential election will be published later, but the winner is already known due to the large margin, and the current president Stevo Pendarovski has already conceded the defeat. According to the preliminary results from the parliamentary election, the opposition is set to win most seats in the Assembly, but the votes from the largest polls have not yet been counted. As for the quality of articles, the one on the presidential election looks minimally sufficient and needs an update of the final results, whereas the one on the parliamentary election lacks prose and has long way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality - article is quite barebones. The   Kip  20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment – now that parliamentary results are in, I'd recommend that the blurb be changed to: "The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organisation wins the North Macedonian parliamentary and presidential elections" or something to that effect. The VMRO article is a bit more fleshed out that either of the election ones. PtolemyXV (talk) 00:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait the lead article needs more prose.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Not ready There are too many sections that have zero prose.  Schwede 66  02:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Steve Albini
BangJan1999 16:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * RIP to a real one. The only issue I see that could prevent posting is that the lead and infobox list May 7 as the day of death, but the prose says May 8. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Fixed to May 7, as Rolling Stone stated "Tuesday night". Isthmus55  (t • c) 17:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support – Muboshgu (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support – RIP. Isthmus55  (t • c) 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support This one hurts. PAPI I MISSED U (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article in good shape. Requiescat. yorkshiresky (talk) 20:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article appears good enough to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. RIP Steve. Black Kite (talk) 10:26, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ignatius Jones

 * Ready Article is in a very good shape and is ready to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support This article is in remarkably good shape for someone from the entertainment industry. HiLo48 (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready  And has been for over a day. HiLo48 (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - looks good to go ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 16:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kim Ki-nam

 * Support A true visionary. One of the finest journalists of our time. 2600:100F:B1BB:F7BD:BDB2:D1C7:A73D:5330 (talk) 14:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose orange tagged – Muboshgu (talk) 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose article is a stub and orange tag and needs more sourcing.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Update Added a little as well as cn tags but struggling with this one; I don't suppose we have any Korean speakers here who could help? Abcmaxx (talk) 22:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Oleksandr Pielieshenko

 * Oppose article is a stub and Major results section is unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have added citations to results section. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose it is a stub article. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 15:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, enough quality for a RD posting. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Article is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 12:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose needs more prose about his career e.g. about his European medals and Olympic appearances at a minimum. WP:ITNQUALITY not close to being met yet. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joe Collier
American Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - looks well sourced ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support looks good enough.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hootie Ingram
American football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Head coaching record section does not have any source.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you please take a look added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is ready now.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - looks good enough now. Thanks Pharaoh of the Wizards! ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:48, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Sourcing meets requirements. Jusdafax (talk) 17:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kristin Hallenga
Death reported on Monday 6th.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article looks fine to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - good enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - The article is ready to post to RD. Jusdafax (talk) 17:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 World Snooker Championship

 * Almost ready. The tense needs changing from future to past in at least the final section.  Schwede 66  21:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yeah, it had literally only just finished, I think I have it all now.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, looks like the tense has been changed. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 22:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, just like with the 2024 Derby. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1BE:DE23:DB02:9B82 (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, looks good to go. The   Kip  23:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment I won't let this get in the way of a well sourced, prose-filled ITNR sport result from being posted, but daaaaamn that is a heck of a lot of prose. I tried reading (not a big pool/snookers player) and my eyes glazed over. That probably can be trimmed down some where the prose and tables work hand in hand to summarize the results. This is only a comment and should not be treated as a oppose !vote. --M asem (t) 01:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The previous six years of FAs seems to suggest this is how we should lay out these articles.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a problem with many of the sports articles on Wikipedia. Too many of our editors think of themselves as sports journalists, and the articles bloat with endless trivia and unnecessary play-by-play. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you think prose about an event is unnecessary, we're going to have to agree to disagree.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it's a very well written article with appropriate levels of detail on the different rounds and good referencing. The prose summaries provide factual statements and a few quotes from the players, without engaging in subjective judgements or excessive details. It makes sense to me for the paragraphs on the final to provide more granular information than the earlier rounds. There are 4800 words of prose, which is fine for an encyclopaedia article covering the entire tournament (not just the final). The only part that might be a bit overdone is in describing the qualifying rounds, but that's nitpicking. Overall it's a very good article to feature on the Main Page. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 13:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, stressing this is not a pull request: it is just that the early sections have a combination of sea of blue links and stats in rather long paragraphs. This would be a situation that mingling tables between sections of prose both help situate the prose better as well as visually breaking up the prose. I am absolutely pleased to see a sports article with this much prose to discuss what actually happened and backed with sources, but this is not a very reader friendly approach, at least to one looking from outside the snooker world.<span id="Masem:1715090363759:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 13:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I would much rather see lots of text about the event that explains it rather than just tables and stats, like a lot of sports articles try to get away with, and this is way more consistent with MOS:PROSE than most other sports articles. Yes there is lots of text, but all of it is relevant text and so is fine. We should be encouraging articles, especially sports articles, nominated here to have prose rather than endless amounts of tables. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 01:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bernard Pivot
French journalist notably for Le Figaro. Jmanlucas (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Needs more sources. Will work on it tomorrow if it's not well-cited by then. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Spelling championship and filmography sections are entirely unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Six {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Brian Wenzel
Australian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:D0D0:C67F:3541:9590 (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose needs more references. Aydoh8 (talk &#124; contribs) 23:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose unsourced Filmography and some cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Filmography still orange-tagged for lack of sources. Four {cn} tags remaining in the prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 02:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 U.S. University protests/occupations
Renominating because the protests have only grown in scale and intensity, all over the news worldwide, with no sign of stopping anytime soon. I think this qualifies as a separate item from ongoing due to notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose The article says that "Protests, including rallies, demonstrations, campaigns, and vigils relating to the Israel–Hamas war have occurred across the U.S. since the conflict's start on October 7, 2023". And the latest flare-up is dated "April 17" which is over two weeks ago.  So, this is clearly an ongoing issue rather than something new.  And we already have an umbrella ongoing entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Opposefor largely the same reasons. This is an ongoing item covered by the ongoing entry. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah</b>, BSBA<b style="color:#ff0000">Talk</b> 11:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Didn't we just have an ITN candidate like this? Anyways, covered by ongoing, nothing else to say. <b style="color:#ff6600;">The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1</b><b style="color:#0a0a0a;">(The Garage)</b> 12:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Mention in Ongoing, we could have something like Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war (protests). The protests are related, but not an event in the war itself, and their intensity means mentioning them under the umbrella of the main ongoing item. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 12:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Highlighting the protests at primarily US schools over deaths and destruction of the Gaza conflict is a massive undue weight of the situation.<span id="Masem:1715007593938:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Protests are very common and happen across the globe all the time including in relation to Israel/Palestine. What makes this particular sub-set of these notable? The number of people involved are small and universities are not inherently more important than any other institutions. It appears to be almost entirely restricted to one country. This is very much not May 68. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support+ Ongoing editors keep citing that it's covered by ongoing, but how? last i checked (a few days ago), these protests didn't even have a mention in the I-H ongoing article. Perhaps these are mentioned (now), but given the scale and persistence of these protests in the news this likely deserves a blurb on its ownOR it's own mention as a standalone ongoing article. (I actually opposed the nom several days ago, citing ongoing, but have since changed my stance on it given the recent developments). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We have to recognize that ongoing that last for months are going to have a main topic article and then numerous sub articles under that. As long as the protests are linked and referenced in that hierarchy, then ongoing covers this.<span id="Masem:1715007507745:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * OK, I was able to find it down a couple of nested links. I believe the duration and breadth of coverage of this specific subset of events in the broader ongoing warrants a blurb. I've redacted the ongoing nom, that can always be revisited later if these protests continue throughout the next several weeks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * oppose and snow close It was very clear why the previous nomination was not successful. It is absurd to try again. Not notable enough, not ITN-worthy and covered by ongoing. Nothing changed. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Stop abusing SNOW. There are support votes and other proposals to include it in ongoing. Discussion is still going on, closing it prematurely is silly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No one here is abusing SNOW. It is entirely rational in this nomination to ask for it. And there is only 1 support vote over 8 clear opplses...this means something. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * We are discussing whether or not to put it on ongoing as well. It is far too soon to close. There is literally no reason to rush through this nom, let people have a discussion. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There was already a debate a few days ago, things were explained and nothing has changed. The majority position of the editors was clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, even if I personally wouldn't mind adding it to Ongoing (although I don't feel too strongly about it either way), it's pretty clear that the majority here is still against it, and I wouldn't oppose a SNOW close. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * SNOW is for overly bureaucratic and unproductive processes that slow down Wikipedia, I don't see how this discussion being up is really that big of a deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose and snow close These were already nominated and rejected just over a week ago, and they’re on the downswing anyways. The   Kip  14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Still pretty minor compared to the actual thing they're protesting about. (But yes, please stop calling for SNOW.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose I thought we already had something like this that didn't get posted? Regardless, its covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Panamanian general election
Not mathematically possible for the opponent to win at this stage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose on quality as article still feels bare-bones - there's no prose on the results/aftermath. The   Kip  04:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Not yet, article is still missing a lot, and even the list of candidates looks like it hasn't been updated. The "Conduct" section is literally a single sentence. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 23:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait article needs expansion.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Comment article has been significantly expanded. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Closest finish in NASCAR History
Nominating per WP:ITN/R. User:Meganinja202 (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is not ITNR. That is for the cumulative winner of the whole of the NASCAR cup, not for any individual race. And while non-ITNR items can be posted, a trivial win (the closest-ever match) is simply not good ITN material, and may be better suited for DYK if the article qualifies there. --M asem (t) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The last closest finsh was 21 years ago, its a event that pratically happens once a decade or two, if ever may happen again Meganinja202 (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Trivial, per above. The   Kip  04:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose and move for SNOW parochial, sports, trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There had been a few sports stuff added, once was litterally 2 days ago, i dont think that is a reason to opposite
 * Also its a theme that certainly will bust the NASCAR bubble in the week, thus i think that is notable enough to be in the News, as i said, is something that happens rearly, once a blue moon., so i dont think is parochial ethier Meganinja202 (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think most people using the word "parochial" here would be addressing the fact that's it's an event that's purely internal to the USA. I know that's not enough on it's own to prevent posting, but do we even know what the closest result ever in Formula One racing was? HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The 1971 Italian Grand Prix was the the closest in F1 history was 0.01 seconds. The winning margin in the race in question in this nomination, the 2024 AdventHealth 400, was 0.001 seconds. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That was the 1971 Italian Grand Prix and there's an article for that whereas this NASCAR event doesn't seem to have a specific article. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The NASCAR race in question is 2024 AdventHealth 400. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * So, that ought to be the target article, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's right. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose as trivial. In particular, size of victory margin is not something the competitors are being evaluated on. While it's exciting for the observers, it doesn't make a difference to the result. (It is parochial, but I'm disinclined to oppose sports results just because the sport in question is overwhelmingly popular in only one or two countries. What goes for sumo also goes for NASCAR.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: César Luis Menotti
World Cup winning Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait The article is in really bad shape (there's a cn and most paragraphs are a single sentence or line), but I'll try to fix it a bit to make presentable Cambalachero (talk) 02:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Oppose: I will not get into a content dispute over an article I hardly care about. The article takes a cherry-picked phrase Menotti said once and uses it to paint him as a socialist, which goes against WP:BALANCE. Truth is, Menotti never made a big deal of his political ideas or engaged in political disputes (compare with Diego Maradona). Also, the lead image is not free in the United States (it was not free in Argentina at the URAA date) and should be deleted from Commons. Cambalachero (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This is probably a discussion for another time and place but I thought Commons was for files that are free, no ifs, no buts. It's very odd that so many Gráfico files are on Commons if they are not entirely free. I know that Italy also has shorter copyright dates and on Italian Wikipedia, there are many files used that are PD in Italy but not in the USA, ergo they are not hosted on Commons. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Long story short: the URAA was challenged as violating the constitution of the US, the Wikimedia Foundation understood that it was not in force, so photos under licenses such as PD-AR-Photo were uploaded in droves. The Supreme Court ratified the URAA in 2012, so a huge number of photos (such as all PD-AR-Photo newer than 1970) are no longer acceptable. That's a huge backlog to process, especially because of Commons' admins wanting to do it case by case instead of en masse. Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Not to beep my own horn but I've made some quite substantial improvements to the page. There may be opinions that there is too much attention given to his political views, but it is true that he held left-wing views, no matter how much he said or didn't say about them. See the academic article "The social, political, and economic causes of violence" by Eugenio Paradiso: "Ironically, Menotti was a communist." That article is from 2009, two years before the book that is cited on Wikipedia. Menotti was a known leftist who had a highly public role that was exploited by a right-wing dictatorship, that is undoubtedly notable. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: the article might use some minor tweaks with citations and syntax, but looks alright overall! Oltrepier (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The article is still using photos with problematic copyright status. In fact, even more of those than when I made the comment. Cambalachero (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: All Menotti-related photos with unsuitable licenses have been nominated for deletion at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Menotti. Cambalachero (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment This is about to fall off the page soon. Consensus is building for posting. Users have freedom to believe that the page has improper focus on political views, or that the images are not free, but those viewpoints aren't building traction. Can an admin take a look at this nomination before it becomes old news? Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Photos nominated for deletion at WCommons have been commented out for the time being. --PFHLai (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Obi Ezeh
American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - This is a GA so should be posted pretty quickly ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Following Darius Morris (also nominated here), this makes two. Also disheartening.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there a REF for his date and place of birth, please? Footnotes should be in the main prose. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Added a Ref for his date of birth can you please take a look.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Thanks for the new footnotes. --PFHLai (talk) 11:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Frank Shrontz
Former corporate executive and government official. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 15:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - article is light but looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bernard Hill

 * Support I found a CV on his talent agency's website (they are mentioned in news reports as announcing his death) and used it to fill in most of the missing references. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - Filmography section could use a couple more sources, but I don't think its enough to stop this from being posted ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment It'd be preferable to use independent sources for his filmography, instead of heavily citing his CV from his talent agency.—Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You think they are incorrect? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:REPUTABLE is a basic guideline: —Bagumba (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's referring to articles in a general sense, and if followed literally would invalidate WP:RSPRIMARY, WP:SELFSOURCE, etc. In this specific context, I don't think it's a problem to use a primary source even if secondary sources are always preferred. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not a black or white issue. There is a place for non-indy sources, but I'll stand by that it's not preferable when indys exist. It was intentionally marked a "comment", and while this might be "good enough" for ITN purposes, I hope its not disputed that PR firms sometimes exaggerate, whether or not it was an issue here. Anyways, it is posted. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 05:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * ‘Farewell, Master Holbytla!’ [Théoden] said. ‘My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!’ Merry could not speak, but wept anew. [Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * "Eh Ad, gizza job"... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * God dammit, I was gonna say that... 😏 Kurtis (talk) 04:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Brazil floods
Ainty Painty (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Needs expansion, too short for right now. M asem (t) 02:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait article needs a expansion, when ready I'll will Support it.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait. Page needs expansion and is too short for now, once it's done I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 12:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait article needs expansion. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article looks good now. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support if the article can be expanded. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Absolutely support it, however needs expanding. Glucoboy011 (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Article is probably big enough to be on the front page now. Glucoboy011 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as it's definitely notable enough: plus, I've just finished expanding the article by adding some more bits of information. Oltrepier (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support ArionStar (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment If this blurb eventually does get published, we should remember to update the number of casualties from time to time since, unfortunately, it's still on the rise. Oltrepier (talk) 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. Major floods that have caused substantial loss of life, damage and evacuations. The article is in good shape. The floods began over a week ago but are ongoing and have been getting more media coverage; I don't think there's a strong relation to 5 May per se but I'm also in favour of a blurb (not the ongoing section). Altblurb added, which avoids the specific numbers (changing on a daily basis). Note the article has moved to 2024 Rio Grande do Sul floods. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 12:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is ready now to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 15:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article seems fine. Yakikaki (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 2024 Kentucky Derby
Nominating per WP:ITN/R. JRHorse (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support appears ready to me.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support reading over, it looks like it has prose all where it needs it, and it's all properly cited. Of course, I hope editors that see new pieces to add will keep it up-to-date with the aftermath. Nottheking (talk) 04:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support original blurb It looks like it's good enough to post. Since this was the 1st 3-horse photo finish since 1947, the original blurb seems best. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Prefer Either Alt I get that the finish involved two others, but by virtue of it, he defeated 19 slower horses. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support looks good enough to me. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 12:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 20:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted Stephen 23:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Frank Stella

 * Oppose there are several Cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No {cn} tags left. Is the intro still too short? Time for a re-review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article is ready to posted, short intro shouldn't hold this article back.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 09:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Darius Morris
NBA Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support it is a GA.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support: As it has WP:GA status. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 12:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment The career statistics table isn't sourced; I presume this is easily remedied. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you please take a look added Ref.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support To my recollection, this is the first biography that I have created and taken to WP:GA and seen listed here. I'm very saddened.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted. No {cn} tags left. --PFHLai (talk) 05:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Chinese moon mission
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The mission has various phases over 53 days. It has started and so is in the news. The article will need updating as it progresses and so might be a candidate for Ongoing in due course. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Ongoing Science! Article seems fine, except for a tweet being used as a source. Would be great to have an expected timeline of the mission. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 10:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Missions like this are not good for ongoing because there will not be daily news coverage of it, only things like this launch, its landing, its relaunch, and its return.<span id="Masem:1714741144099:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 12:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Chang'e 4 landed on the dark side in 2019. Stephen 10:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The first in this case seems to be the goal of bringing samples home from the dark side. The blurb has been updated accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. The article is a bit light, but does meet our minimum requirements. This qualifies as ITNR. The originally suggested blurb is poor, I've added alt1. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:53, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support alt1 which does not repeat the error of calling the Far Side the 'dark side', and is generally clearer. I'm personally not a fan of posting every space mission, but this is clearly within the ITNR parameters for them. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now but Tentative support landing when that happens, though right now the article quality is not great for posting - its missing a lot of details we'd expect for a major space mission. This doesn't meet any of the ITNR for space exploration, but when it lands on the moon (and ideally, in working condition), then that is ITNR. I cannot find the timeline for this, but using Chang'e 4 as a reference, it will only take about 5-6 days to get to lunar orbit, but then at which point I dont know how long after it will take to land (Chang'e 4 took about 2 weeks from orbit to land). --M asem (t) 13:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Was that ITNR criterion changed at some point? I was convinced it covered both the launch and arrival of interplanetary missions, but you're right WP:ITNR doesn't actually say that. I'm happy with wait for landing if that's the consensus. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 13:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * At one point I am pretty sure we have the first launches of any new type of rocket on there, but with commercial space activities now happening, I think we removed that. Even then, this would not have qualified as its not a new rocket. The probe is the newsworthy item and assuming a soft landing, it would be good for that, as well as successful end of mission (return to earth w/ samples)<span id="Masem:1714748379837:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 14:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Masem; ITNR doesn't cover launches, only successful arrivals. Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait until landing, if successful, per Masem and Kcmastrpc ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Weak support for blurb, stronger support for waiting for landing This is a notable event in space travel and for science in general, but I think the landing will be more suitable for the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Points arising
 * The ITN/R issue is not important because items are not required to be ITN/R to be posted. For example, we're currently blurbing the Voyager update even though that's not ITN/R.  The essential requirement is that the item is in the news and this moon shot is now the current news while the Voyager item is getting stale.
 * The ultimate destination of this probe is back on Earth as the main idea is to gather samples and study them here. But we don't want to wait until everything is over.  Waiting for the moon landing may be problematic technically as the landing is on the dark/far side and so will be done autonomously and so communications will presumably be difficult or delayed.
 * The bottom line is that this item is international news now . Why can't we just do the obvious thing and post it now ?  Perfect is the enemy of good.
 * Andrew🐉(talk) 17:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The probe's destination is the moon, even if the ultimate destination is returning back to earth. Just because communication will be spotty doesn't mean the space agency won't know if it landed or not.<span id="Masem:1714828462199:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — M asem (t) 13:14, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The short of it is that it's gotten broad news, but it's been in the same category as China's prior two launches to the Moon that happened this same year. It's worth noting that the launch of IM-1 wasn't even nominated back on February 15. However, its landing on February 22 was nominated as ITN/R and quickly approved.
 * Provided this mission lands on the Moon successfully, this will fare the same, quickly approved as ITN/R. (which is to be expected later this month) As this is a sample-return mission, this means that it would also be prime for an ITN spot in late June: not covered in ITN/R, but "returning a sample from the Moon to Earth" is substantial enough to be notable on its own. Meanwhile, a mere launch is not. So this mission is already on track for two separate ITN appearances; it doesn't need a third that may well still be on the board when the second happens. Nottheking (talk) 04:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support. The Voyager blurb is also pretty stale. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 20:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we need some chang'e in the blurbs. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 21:20, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support but Far side and also mention that cubesat of Pakistan that also launched with it (ICUBE-Q) RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 11:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait. The significant part of the mission is on the return aspect of it. If it successfully returns to earth with lunar samples from the far side, then I’d say it should be posted. RPH (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait - the riskiest portion is the moon landing. The most interesting part is the return to earth.  We should wait for one of those.  Separately, Oppose on quality; the article says the mission is 53 days, but details like "when is it expected to arrive/leave the moon's surface" are missing. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 23:32, 4 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Wait till it successfully returns to earth.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Wait partly as per Masem. ITN/R hasn't covered this sort of event since it was first revised to actually specify individual criteria in October 2011. (before then it did cover all space launches, which only worked because almost no one was covering them... As well as there being far fewer) While there's been further revision, (especially starting in 2021, which gradually saw the initial 2011 list of 6 criteria gradually drop to just the 3 we have as of this writing) at no point in the past 13 years would this have qualified as ITN/R.
 * Granted, a lot of folk forget that items that aren't ITN/R can be posted, even when they aren't mass casualty disasters. However, context is key, and this is not only the fifth launch of spacecraft intended for a lunar orbit or surface regime this year, but the third such Chinese launch this year. So the launch itself, if nominal, isn't going to be terribly noteworthy; in the mission's page it'll be limited to a sentence or two.
 * However, I look forward to supporting this once it arrives on the surface the Moon, and again once it returns its sample to Earth. The former will be an ITN/R posting, the latter a posting that isn't ITN/R, but would most certainly merit sufficient notability on its own. Nottheking (talk) 04:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Wait until landing and/or return, per above. The   Kip  04:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kailash Chandra Gahtori
Indian politician. Always a bit sad to find out someone I wrote about died. Curbon7 (talk) 08:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - article isn't huge but is sourced well enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - Article seems to meet the minimum requirements. Solid sourcing, provides coverage of life and death. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Article lists election results but has no information about what he accomplished in his 5-year career as a politician. Could use some depth about his business career if that is something he is significantly notable for as well (all the article has at present is "Gahtori started a construction company" and "he came to own a hotel and two schools").  Spencer T• C 07:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

RD:Sjoukje Dijkstra
Dutch figure skater.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article look good to me even though I would have expected a longer article for a Olympic Gold Medalist.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - looks good enough ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Outsanding Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 14:46, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There are still a handful of {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD:Peter Oosterhuis
British Golfer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Almost ready the orange tag in Broadcasting career section needs to be fixed.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support - article has been updated ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 07:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

(Updated) Jeremiah Manele
The current ITN blurb on the 2024 Solomon Islands general election is now stale and somewhat misleading. Jeremiah Manele is now the prime minister. This could just be an update to the current blurb. The Jeremiah Manele is just a stub though (at the time of this nomination), which is a problem. -- Classicwiki (talk) 08:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Update existing blurb, with just the elections article in bold. Manele's article is in no state for a bold link, but the election article does discuss him becoming prime minister (in the 'aftermath') section. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Update existing blurb bolding only the elections article, as Manele article does not meet WP:ITNQUALITY. Also, as per WP:EASTEREGG, we should just link to Prime Minister of Solomon Islands directly rather than Prime Minister of Solomon Islands. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 11:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Update existing blurb I agree that it is rather misleading, especially since the current blurb says that Sogavare led the party, the short descriptions of Sogavare and Manele are already updated so it makes since to update the blurb Normalman101 (talk) 15:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Updated current blurb. – robertsky (talk) 16:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Jeremiah Manele has been expanded.  It can be bolded once its vetted.—Bagumba (talk) 03:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There's one cn, but yes that looks good enough to bold now. Thanks! <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Bolded That lone Cn seems resolved now too.—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Colombia israel relations
Biggest IR consequence of the war yet. Also to note, colombia was the biggest regional friend of israel once upon a time. It is from today (2nd Mat)37.252.81.135 (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment Colombia–Israel relations would be a better target article. However currently the update is just one sentence, which isn't sufficient. Scientia potentia est, Monarch  OfTerror  08:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Covered by ongoing --M asem (t) 11:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose yes, covered by ongoing. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose Covered by ongoing. Also, wouldn't the ECP restriction apply here? Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 13:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose: Already covered by ongoing. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk &#124; contrib.) 15:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lyle Bauer

 * Support - looks good enough to me ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 17:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Support article seems ready to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Posted to RD.  Spencer T• C 03:45, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Richard Tandy
Needs some work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose orange tag and several cn tags.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 04:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Loblaw boycott begins in Canada
Notable and scheduled month-long boycotting campaign against Canada's largest grocery retail corporation, starting from Reddit. B3251 (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Merely stating an intention to boycott a particular store doesn't mean it will actually occur on a widespread scale. The most likely outcome is that a handful of people avoid shopping at the company's stores, while life will carry on as normal for everyone else. In the absence of objective proof that the company experiences a sustained (multi-week) significant decline in sales, this is not worthy of a blurb. Chrisclear (talk) 11:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Likewise. The artilce is reeks of NOTNEWS and CRYSTALBALL. it is the 2nd of May and barely sunrise there.37.252.95.154 (talk) 11:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose: it's questionable whether the subject even deserves its own article (it could probably be described in a paragraph in the Loblaw Companies article), or whether the boycott will be at all significant (much as we're frustrated by high grocery prices, we still need to eat). --RFBailey (talk) 11:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I too am surprised we even have an article about the intentions of Reddit users. Even if all 60,000 genuinely stop shopping there for a month, Loblaws will barely notice. If this somehow has major impacts (e.g. bankrupts the chain or causes major social unrest) then I'll be willing to reassess, but so far the impact is zero and likely to remain that way. Is the boycott against Loblaw Companies, as linked in the proposed blurb, or just the Loblaws supermarkets? <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand the concerns as well as the opposition towards nominating for ITN, but I support this being a standalone article. It's received pretty adequate coverage in the few months leading up to the boycott and it's definitely one of the most established consumer boycott movements directly related to the 2021–2023 inflation surge and in the 2020s overall outside of the American conservative-led Bud Light and Target Pride Month boycotts/backlash movements. B3251 (talk) 13:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose, and article should be merged into Loblaw unless the boycott gains serious traction. --M asem (t) 11:59, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * This kind of article is probably best featured when the event concludes. This is also when our article on it will be at its best state, and when the exact impact is clearest. ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 13:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - can see this article headed to AfD ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Dreadful blurb, it comes across as trying to handwave the limited scope of the protest by simply saying "Canadians begin a boycott". How many? 50? 500? 500,000? Who knows? Duly signed, ⛵ <span style="color: white; font-family: Verdana; font-weight: bold; background: linear-gradient(white, blue, navy, black)">WaltClipper - (talk)  15:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose irrelevant for ITN. Per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

RD: Uma Ramanan
Indian singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose - List of "major hits" is unreferenced, immediately preceding citation goes to a dead link. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose there are some claims that are unsourced.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:23, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * A long string of bullet-points and a Discography table have remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 09:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

RD/Blurb:Duane Eddy
The article needs more work but the first guitar hero already has a Legacy section which makes a start at showing his considerable influence. The NYT explains that "Mr. Eddy had tremendous success as a strictly instrumental recording artist in the late 1950s and ’60s, selling millions of records worldwide with growling, echo-laden hits like “Rebel Rouser” and “Forty Miles of Bad Road.” In the process, he played a major role in establishing electric guitar as the predominant musical instrument in rock ’n’ roll. Mr. Eddy influenced a multitude of rock guitarists, including George Harrison, Jimi Hendrix and Bruce Springsteen..." Andrew🐉(talk) 22:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Could Andrew possibly explain why he thinks the person is blurb worthy? No number-1 hits anywhere, not a Jimi Hendrix type, the "legacy" section is just some random name-dropping. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 21:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose RD on quality, lots of unsourced material. Oppose blurb the article is begging to explain the type of influence he might have - just saying other musicians found him an influence doesn't make him a great figure in terms of modern music. M asem  (t) 22:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose RD various unsourced paragraphs. Oppose blurb he was not a household name and I do not seem to find anything why he should be blurbed.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose RD on quality, oppose blurb per above. Not even the article makes a case as to why he's blurb-worthy. The   Kip  03:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose blurb on principle against them This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Unreliable source WP:ALLMUSIC needs replacement.—Bagumba (talk) 07:29, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose RD due to many unreliable sources (Discogs, IMDB, AllMusic, ...). Oppose blurb, not a household name and not a significant death. The Legacy section listing people "acknowledging Eddy's influence" is extremely vague and not very encyclopedic. Also, "influential" is WP:PEACOCK and shouldn't be used as a descriptor, especially on the main page. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 12:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose RD and Blurb per above. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;">LiamKorda 14:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Blurb inb4 "two wrongs don't make a right", but Little Richard was scandalously posted as RD only despite his immense influence on the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin and Prince inter alia. (check the length and detail of his legacy section vis-a-vis Mr Eddy's). If that fell below the bar of an influential musician, then the bar is very high. Unknown Temptation (talk) 09:38, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed, the bar for death blurbs is very high. That's how it works. Chaotıċ Enby   (talk · contribs) 12:56, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD:Terry Medwin
Welsh, Swansea and Tottenham Hotspur football player.Govvy (talk) 12:32, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support Just added citations for the Honours section, the only uncited section. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support - I've cited the last uncited sentence (Swans appearances). Rest looks good. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:23, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Support article appears ready to be posted.  PrinceofPunjab  TALK 03:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted—Bagumba (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)