Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2005-12-14 Vizcarra and User:Mailyn

Vizcarra and Mailyn

 * Request made by (please sign below):

Mailyn 16:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Status: Mediator response given


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * ... Mario Cimarro and Cesar Evora


 * Who's involved?
 * ... Vizcarra and Mailyn


 * What's going on?
 * ... It's quickly becoming an edit war on both these subjects. It's a well known fact that both these actors were born and raised in Cuba to Cuban parents. To state in the intro that they are "Mexican actors" is misleading. Yes they did relocate to Mexico and are now Mexican citizens but this should be in the body of the bio (as it is stated already there). The intro to most of the people in Wiki state where the person is from (born) or where their parents are from (if relevant). "Mexican actor" as such clearly implies either: 1.born in Mexico or 2.born to Mexican parents. I don't see why there should be a problem with stating in the intro that they are "Cuban actors who have relocated to Mexico" or something similar. If Nicole Kidman decides to relocate and naturalize to China will we change her intro to say "chinese actress"?


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * ... The intro of both these actors are misleading. I am all for something like such and such "is a Cuban actor residing in Mexico" or something similar.
 * Well, that would be misleading for Cimarro, he acquired Mexican citizenship but lives elsewhere (sometimes Colombia?), so he is Mexican now (like people become Americans when they acquire US citizenship) but he does not live in Mexico. For example, Nicole Kidman, "American-born Australian actress" --Vizcarra 03:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
 * ... I've no problems being out about this since all I want is for the correct information to be displayed in Wiki as this will help anyone looking for info on these actors. I am trying to avoid an edit war so I've contacted you in hopes of getting someone who will not be biased on this subject.

Mediator response
I like the way the Wikipedia pages on Eva and Zsa Zsa Gabor handle this issue: a Hungarian-born actress of Jewish-descent, residing in the US. However, in another case, if an actor gains citizenship in another country, I would have no problem stating "a Chinese-born Spanish actress of Jewish-descent." ;-) So, for both Évora and Cimarro, state that these actors are Cuban-born, naturalized Mexican-citizens. I do agree with Vizcarra that the term "Mexican actor" implies Mexican citizenship, not Mexican birth. Steven McCrary 02:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)