Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-04-20 Heaven's Stairway

Mediation Case: 2006-04-20 Heaven's Stairway
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Request Information

 * Request made by: &mdash;Viriditas | Talk 22:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * Heaven's Stairway, Talk:Heaven's Stairway, User talk:Simonapro


 * Who's involved?
 * User:Viriditas, User:Simonapro


 * What's going on?
 * Article has seen ongoing disruption since February 8 by various users. Current conflict revolves around the insertion of dubious content on the main article that may or may not meet standards for WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:OR; repeated WP:3RR violations on the main page; use of unsigned templates (signatures), WP:NPA, WP:CIV on talk page. Article has been submitted to RFC and an AN incident has been logged.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * Bring the article in line with Wikipedia policies. Build consensus with User:Simonapro. Create a civil atmosphere. Use signatures on talk page to facilitate communication between users and make discussion easier to follow.


 * If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
 * Talk page is fine.


 * Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
 * Yes.


 * This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
 * what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.



Mediator response
I have invited both parties to list their points with a view to resolution on a sub-talk page of mine. ( User talk:Irishpunktom/Heaven's Stairway ). The Ownership dispute was replaced by Viriditas, who requested it be cited and verified. The conflict then became a conflict over tags, but, communications were established and worked on in the talk page, so there is a willingness on both sides to engage in discussion, so I'm hopefull on this one. --Irishpunktom\talk 09:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I am Cowman109Talk from the Mediation Cabal. This case has not seen any activity since May 5th. Is there still activity, and if not, is there still a need for mediation? If not I will close this case and have it archived due to inactivity. Thanks. Cowman109Talk  18:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * As this case has clearly become inactive, I will close it. Should further trouble arise, I recommend you file a new case request. Thanks.  Cowman109 Talk 17:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Evidence
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Personal attacks by Simonapro

 * 12:02, 20 April 2006 "Viriditas is now saying that the above is not true without doing any research. One day old OGers like myself will come in here and correct his own personal failings with the truth. The above is absolutely correct and can be varified by looking at the links and asking questions on their forums. I have included all the names (correctly ~shabang~ not just shabang as Viriditas edited, even though Viriditas never heard the name before)."
 * 13:40, 20 April 2006 "You are too ignorant to deal with. At this stage you are blantantly rude. It is obvious you don't give a flying damn about the History of OG or HS. Leave."
 * 13:52, 20 April 2006 "I never attacked you or made any person attacks on you. Can you read? I will restate it again. You are too ignorant to deal with (ignoring all requests to do the work). At this stage you are blantantly rude (by ignoring the work you need to do and trying to teach me Wiki policy). It is obvious you don't give a flying damn about the History of OG or HS (This means you don't care to do the work so why should you be contributing to this article at all???). Leave (get out, go away, don't come back until you can effectively do the work). Personal attacks... hahahahaha. You just know you are wrong and have decided to upset this article out of spite. The facts are there. You dont even want to deny them. You have a serious problem with logic. There is a reality here and you just don't want to accept it." (Note: Simonapro removed part of the personal attack two minutes later at 13:54, 20 April 2006: )
 * 07:21, 21 April 2006 "You are very ignorant and obviously don't give a flying damn about the quality of this article. You have even tried to revert the article back to include only your views and absolutely nobody elses, to present the general public with your bias only. Then you claim that quoting around wiki policy is actually going to excuse your actions here. I am not questioning the quality of your article am I? You dont even seem to remotely understand that this is about lots of people working together to make an article WP:GA quality and not just one persons attempt to become dictator and moderator over everyone else. That kind of self-election doesn't cut it with the way you have treated people like myself here."
 * 04:30, 21 April 2006 "I am glad you edited out calling me a troll. That was a personal attack. The facts you dispute are right there before you and ignored by you. You have edited parts of this discussion page that you did not write in order to change the public record here. You have abused my talk page several times to include a 'help me' panic comment to alert help from others to my account for no reason. You have attempted to sign my comments several times. You have defaced the article itself several times to include your own private edit notes. You have then deleted parts of the article to nothing but only your own input. You refuse to accept or deny the facts in dispute here. You have used sources only when they help your POV and rejected the same sources when the didn't.  I have cooperated with you since the start, even changed some facts like the right names because you said you did not like the way they factually read with tildes. However your blantant attempt to discredit the facts and my work by smearing it in the manner described above is the reason why I have simply had enough of how you are treating other contributors to this article. You are clearly attempting to manipulate the entire contents of this article even going so far as to edit it back to only your own input. I have put up with this long enough I am now calling you out on your rubbish and will be glad to see it put to rest."
 * 11:47, 22 April 2006 "Liar. You removed the sources by censoring the discussion page (see history). Over 10 sources where given to you. The moderators of Overgrow.com are the source. You removed the sources and are now censoring the article with your bias."
 * 11:38, 23 April 2006 "You can't read. Cervantes has nothing to do with the Overgrow content ownership dispute between ~shabang~ and ~RC~. The sources I gave where from ~shabang~ AND Overgrow administration/Moderators. You deleted the referenced sources from here. Cervantes does not own Overgrow and is not a moderator or administrator there. Anyone can print anything in a print medium. Even I could that. You can not even follow your own guidelines as to what a source is. Obviously you have had no clue all along and still don't. The sources are clearly those involved with the day to day running of Overgrow since its exception. If you had bothered to do the work you would know that. You censor, you manipulate sources, you merge without any debate and you hinder the article. We are now just leaving the dispute symbol on the article. You have even been taking that down also. We have alerted mods here to this document and when they see it they will probably have lots of things to say."

Response by Simonapro
I reject any of these being personal attacks. They are statements on the following. - People will correct you with you the truth using the history of OG. You will be corrected on this. - You ignore my requests to assume good faith and deal with a dispute in the discussion room by deleting it. That is ignorant and rude. Hence you are ignorant and rude. - You lied when you claimed you where archiving the content you deleted. There was no archive made as per wiki archiving policy. - Sometimes you will not read what is written and even delete what you have read. You avoid answering questions and change the subject in your reply. - You have used the same sources you now say are questionable. Simonapro 08:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)]

Personal attacks by Viritidas on Simonapro and Community
Here are twos example of when you have attacked me and the community. (1)You call me names and attack me - You called me a TROLL - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Heaven%27s_Stairway&oldid=49377309 See bottom of page. (2)Community article attack by Viritidas - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heaven%27s_Stairway&action=history You imply that putting up a dispute tag is some how related to a drive-by shooting -> 12:52, 23 April 2006 Viriditas (Remove drive-by dispute tag. For the third time, Polotet did not place the tag, I did. He merely reverted to my version. Please learn how Wikipedia works.) Simonapro 08:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)]

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