Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-05-18 Nlu and Eiorgiomugini on Chinese history-related articles

Mediation Case: 2006-05-18 Nlu and Eiorgiomugini on Chinese history-related articles
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Request Information

 * Request made by: Nlu (talk) 05:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * On various Chinese-history related pages. The most recent of them were on, , , and.


 * Who's involved?
 * Myself and.


 * What's going on?
 * Eiorgiomugini has strong ideas about how articles should go, and he insist on them, sometimes even when contrary evidence is put to him. I admit that I am fairly strongly opinionated as well, and therefore, recently, when he became very active editing the same articles that I have been, we ran into conflicts.  These discussions have not been fruitful (see the talk pages of those articles above as well as User talk:Nlu).  WP:RFC/HIST was tried, but with no one responding to them.  Eiorgiomugini has reacted fairly badly, becoming increasingly uncivil.  I admit that I myself have not been the most civil of editors during this situation, either.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * I'd like people to review both our edits as to how to restore civility, objectivity, and (in my opinion, or Eiorgiomugini might disagree with this characterization) restore proper style/accuracy to the articles.


 * If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
 * I think talk pages are just fine (and in fact, I'd prefer that we operate in the open, due to Eiogiomugini's explosiveness; I think he needs to see examples of proper discourse, as well as the idea that his opinions are not necessarily the correct ones.


 * Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?


 * This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
 * what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.


 * Perhaps, but I am pretty busy right now. I am one of the most active vandal catchers around, I think, and I would prefer not to take time away from that and writing proper history articles.

Mediator response
After reading the exchange between user Nlu and user Eiorgiomugini, I have come to several conclusions.

1. The unwillingness to compromise by both users.

2. Personal Attacks by user Eiorgiomugini, notably in Talk:History of Northern Dynasties. Please review WP:CIVIL and WP:ATTACK.

3. On the article Tuyuhun, the focus of the argument is on whether roaming range counts as a territory of nation, as well as the difference between Sichuan and Gansu.

Please remember that both of you are trying to improve these articles, and that no one owns the articles. Treat each other with respect, and try to work out a solution to these difficulties. Olorin28 03:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Evidence
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Compromise offers
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Discussion
Thanks for stepping in, Olorin28. I'll try to be more conciliatory, although when it comes to (what I see as) historical accuracy, it is not always possible to compromise. --Nlu (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)