Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-10 User:Sean Black and Man-Faye

Mediation Case: 2006-06-10 User:Sean Black and Man-Faye
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Request Information

 * Request made by: moof 04:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * Man-Faye


 * Who's involved?
 * User:Sean Black, moof, User:Elijya


 * What's going on?
 * User:Sean Black has blanked Man-Faye at least twice now, changing it to a #redirect to cosplay. He has not responded to discussion on the Talk:Man-Faye, and when comments were left on User_talk:Sean_Black, they were summarily deleted with the comment "(→Man-Faye - Remove idiocy.)".


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * If Mr. Black is so keen on deleting the article, he should RFD it. Deleting text from his Talk page is also somewhat uncool.


 * If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
 * I'm not concerned about that.


 * Would you be willing to be a mediator yourself, and accept a mediation assignment in a different case?
 * Sure.


 * This is, following the Categorical Imperative, the idea that you might want to do
 * what you expect others to do. You don't have to, of course, that's why it's a question.



Mediator response
Hello, I am Cowman109Talk and I have volunteered to take this case. The first thing I'd like to request is for Sean's input on his reasoning for redirecting the page. It appears that there has not been much consensus for deleting or keeping the article at all, and the problem is we have several people changing to a redirect or reverting. If there is a belief that the article is non notable, then perhaps an AFD request may be the best route to take instead of a redirect, as the information contained is otherwise lost in the redirect (it does not appear to be mentioned in the target article). I'd like to hear your responses first, though. Cowman109Talk 21:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't take the case until all parties agree...and Sean Black is not agreeing. pschemp | talk 21:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually as the Mediation Cabal is an informal process, it does not take the acceptance of all parties to mediate a case. Nonetheless, though, there appears to be nothing left to mediate as he said he will not go further into this matter. If there are arguments that the article is non-notable, the best thing, as stated above, is to submit it for AFD and let the process handle it. I will close this case shortly then unless any further problem shows up. Cowman109Talk 22:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Case closed 20:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC) As Sean has decided to not redirect the article any further, this matter is closed. Should any further problems arise, this page will be on my watchlist. (It may get lost in my watchlist, though, so please leave me a note on my talk page too if it needs to be opened again). Thanks. Cowman109Talk 20:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Discussion
Hmm? There's nothing to mediate here. I attempted to remove unencyclopedic crap and replace it with a useful redirect, twice. Both times it has been reverted, and I see no reason to continue with it. Having articles on utterly non-notable individuals devalues Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, and if attempts to fix that are going to be met with hostility and opposition, then I won't bother. Hopefully it will be a redirect at some point in the future, but not by my hands. This is simply a waste of time, even though I admire the mediators' good intentions. Thank you, and goodnight.--Sean Black 21:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have no problem with the article being deleted if that is the decision of an AFD vote, although I would not vote for it to be removed, personally. What does irk me is Mr. Black's choice to make this decision for the rest of us, and denying anyone else any say. If he intends to leave that particular article alone now, then that issue is over. However I would hope he would not continue this sort of action in the future and if he really does not believe an article belongs here, he'll follow proper AFD protocol. Elijya 00:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)