Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-11 Eiorgiomugini and Keahapana on Chinese dictionaries articles

Mediation Case: 2006-07-11 Eiorgiomugini and Keahapana on Chinese dictionaries articles
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Request Information

 * Request made by: Eiorgiomugini 11:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * On various Chinese dictionary related pages including,, , , most recent of them were on , and a few articles which involved of a different and settled issues on and.


 * Who's involved?
 * Myself and.


 * What's going on?
 * Keahapana has strong ideas like me about how articles should go, especially for the part of naming conventions, romanzations and translation, which we ran into conflicts. I started having problems with this user on the Erya. One was a pointless argument (3rd cent. BC/1st cent AD) with an admin Mel Etitis over dating the Erya. When I provided citations that resolved the Erya dispute and offered a compromise (See Various matters and |16:12, 21 May 2006 edit). I admit I may had tended to sound more abrupt (or even rude) than I intented to be. It should be noted that on a few occasions he had been making accuse on me without a vaild information which can be seen through from our exchanges:

I'm currently ignoring him right now, but he insisted on follow up the issue which led me to request on a Mediation for resolve. I really does hope that someone else here would approaching to them.
 * Entitling my "unpublished POV" opinions on discussion.
 * Making an Original research through "disingenuous" request on Pages needing translation into English.
 * Factual error in quote of 夜 on Qieyun context as "evening" instead of "night", which he believed was not a mistake (though no explanation was given).
 * Brackets convention, e.g. "Liu [Zhen]" to "Liú [Zhēn], which he believed I was in wrong.
 * My responses were "insulting and autocratic" (See Talk:Shiming).
 * Removal of my responses under the edit summary of "reply" |23:19, 29 June 2006.
 * "Picked a fight with him, which I refused to listen to reason or compromise on Shiming" and asked for third party involvement | 18:38, 3 July 2006.
 * "Added pinyin tones into the Shiming article but deleted them from others with contrariness" (See Deleting Wade-Giles which I explained).
 * Adding comments that our argument was a contest and claimed that he was being bullied.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * I'd like people to review both our exchanges (including the history of the context) as how to restore valid accusing on discussion, NPOV, and restore proper style/accuracy to the articles based on the Manual of Style for China Romanization and tones.


 * If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
 * My talk pages are just fine for me.

Mediator response
I'm currently talking to the user on his talk page. The most likely place to find a discussion is on my talk page, if you're interested it reading the resolution. -- The Prophet Wiz ard of the Cray  on Cake  00:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * THe user hasn't edited in a few weeks, giving it a day or so then closing. -- The Prophet Wiz ard of the Cray  on Cake  17:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Completely inactive... closing. --16:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.

Eiorgiomugini's 11 July request for mediation might have been an attempt to forestall my requesting it, which I'd discussed on 10 July. If you've looked through his description of the problems (compare "Keahapana has strong ideas like me about how articles should go" with "Eiorgiomugini has strong ideas about how articles should go" ), you might wonder what he's complaining about.

From my point of view, the basic problems have been unjustified deletions, changing direct quotes, refusal to compromise, ignoring published citations, insisting on original research, and personal insults (Some clarification … ).

My problems with Eiorgiomugini began on the Erya when he changed citations and rewrote a quote, which you can see here, ,. User MelEtitis was also involved and it was discussed. Similar problems continued over dates for the Shiming, where he ignored multiple citations for the "c. 200" dating (ironically including the Peyraube article he used to settle a dispute over dating the Erya) and repeatedly reverted it back to "c. 180 to 220", for instance here, ,. You can also check out this discussion.

The pattern continued on the Qieyun with more deletions and disagreements about the dictionary's editors Despite two English citations he insists upon "primary sources" in Chinese that he denies are "original research" . In another example of rejecting quotations, he added a cleanup-translation tag but won't allow it to be removed. As I tried to explain on the talk page, this Chinese word ye in question can translate as either "evening" or "night," depending on context. If one doesn't want to believe to a native speaker of English one only has to look it up (for instance, John DeFrancis' ABC Chinese-English Comprehensive Dictionary gives "night; evening").

Eiorgiomugini's pattern of editing has continued elsewhere, not only with me but with others. Compare his quarrel with Mamgeorge about disregarding quotation rules and unneeded insertion of tags on Lie Yukou. When I saw that he was repeating an argument under Extensive Gleanings of the Taiping Era about whether it was useful to include the Chinese word for "chapters," I tried to comment about it. Since he censored my comments twice, I posted it again on Xihe's user page.

I haven't been contributing to Wikipedia for long and may well misunderstand what constitutes acceptable user behavior. If so, please tell me how I could have better handled these situations. I'm more than willing to compromise and try to follow Wikiquette. While I understand that this person is not a native speaker, I can't understand his open hostility. I appreciate that he corrected several mistakes of mine (like the wrong number of characters in the Erya), for which I thanked him, but I'd like to avoid the continuation of problems. I look forward to hearing your comments, criticism, and advice. Thank you in advance. Keahapana 01:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)