Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-07-12 Opie and Anthony Spaz/Lobster Girl Debate

Mediation Case: Lobster Girl Debate
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Request Information

 * Request made by: Payneos 06:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * The Opie and Anthony Page.


 * Who's involved?
 * Myself and Attention Whore


 * What's going on?
 * We are in disagreement over the way this delicate issue should be handled. I contend it should be kept NPOV, not mean-spirited, and fair, he insists on including slanderous material and making false claims that have no cited back up.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * I'd like to reach a middle ground, but as with the last times this has come up he has stonewalled the issue to only have it done his way.


 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * Please intervene directly.

Mediator response
A prior MedCab case was started as Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-03-21_Opie_and_Anthony but was disposed of as unresolved. CQJ 18:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I have suggested to Payneos that he try to seek consensus at the article space, since from review of the past talk page dialogue, it would appear that this is a many user versus one plus many sockpuppet dispute (or someone's using a fan forum to jam the ballot box). I'll hold off any further action pending the outcome of his call for consensus. CQJ 19:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.

A compromise was supposedly reached after the last time this subject came up, but was quickly reversed by Payneos and his co-hort to censor it. This also involves Darx23 and Tyler--Durden (who appear to be the same person.) as well as others who visit less frequently. Attention whore 18:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, a compromise was never reached as a general consensus was never offically reached due to my withdrawl from the situation as it was becoming frustrating to communicate with you in a reasonable manner. I have come up with a more suitable, reasonable way of including the article in question, however your insistance on having it your way only (as shown by your repeated attempts at reverting to your original, controversial way) rather than constructively addressing the situation have led to this. Also, please do not use personal attacks, I do not have "co-horts." Payneos 18:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Thank you for agreeing to mediate this CQJ. I did not realize that mediation had begun and kind of feel that I am playing "catch up". I hope that Payneos' advance lobbying has not already prejudiced you on the issue. Please read the entire O&A talk page and not base your opinion on one person's extremely biased summaries. This is far from a many users against one user. There are multiple parties on both sides of the issue. There are at the very least, not including IP only editors, MGlosenger, KeysorSoze, and myself who have added their input regarding keeping this information in the article. And as far as I know, outside of Darx23/Tyler-Durden/172.xxx.xxx.xxx, there are no other sock puppets involved. Although Payneos may have gotten the jump in seeking to encourage you to his side of the issue, I am asking you to keep an open mind and read all arguments on both side of the issue. Attention whore 05:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It really hadn't begun, I was just looking for a straw poll to see what the current consensus is on the article. I don't really have an opinion, and I try not to be prejudiced on the issue, and I've read the entire talk page.  The only thing that distresses me thus far is the last time that mediation was attempted, I think there was a party or two that didn't want it to happen..which is why I started out the way that I did.  Take it easy and I'll talk to both of you later. CQJ 06:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Minor attempts at consensus yielded the opinion that the Lobster Girl claim fails WP:OR and WP:V, absent proper sourcing, claim that Lobster Girl is Anthony's girlfriend is out unless Anthony breaks his silence and provides with an actual source other than forum posts and blogs. Payneos referred to future informal requests through me if necessary.  Case closed. CQJ 01:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)