Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-10-06 WaveAid

Mediation Case: 2006-10-06 WaveAid
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Request Information

 * Request made by: rakkar 01:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * ... WaveAid - a big fund raising rock concert in Sydney last year.


 * Who's involved?
 * ... myself and an unregistered user using a Charles Sturt University computer


 * What's going on?
 * ... The two of us are arguing over the inclusion of a sentence in the article that talks about the crowd's behaviour on the day. The cameramen were encouraging members of the crowd to expose themselves to the cameras to display to the whole crowd.  I was there and saw several people who didn't wish to, but got exposed by bystanders.  The other user is either denying that it happened or that it shouldn't be mentioned.  I have tried to give some evidence by quoting people's blogs or forum posts about the incidents, but the other user doesn't feel that that is enough.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * ... I'd like for some users from the cabal to give us both some exterior feedback on the disagreement, and I hope that we both can agree to the recomendations.


 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * ... No, I'm happy for this to be done openly.

Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.

The problem is that I feel that the paragraph about the cameras encouraging people to flash their tits and dicks on the hige screens should be included in the article. The other unregistered editor disagrees. I've made several edits and abreviations, which in retrospect was a good thing, because the original entry was long winded and clumsy. His current objections are: I am having trouble working out how to demonstrate this in line with the wikipedia policies on no origional research and verifiability. Strangely, the WaveAid DVD doesn't have the breast flashing incidents as a bonus feature, and there was no mention of it in any of the press at the time. People did mention it on blogs and forums at the time, and I've quoted a few of these on the talk page.
 * No charges were laid - I never asserted that any charges were laid
 * That anyone was treated improperly as a result of the cameras encouraging people to flash - This I do disagree with.  I personally was there, and I saw at least two girls who did not want to flash their tits for the big screens, but had [mostly male] punters pull/push up their shirts against their will.  It happened, and it's fact.

Adhoc, can you say how I can demonstrate this in accordence with wikipedia policies? rakkar 19:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, have a look at WP:V and WP:RS. Addhoc 19:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


 * okay, I've looked around, and found a review of the event on fasterlouder.com.au, which is a australia-wide music news site. It's more reliable source than blogs or forum posts, will that do?  rakkar


 * Certainly a much better source compared to blogs etc. I would suggest you rephrase the sentence and then reintroduce into the article, including this reference. Addhoc 15:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Okay, I've done it- rewritten the paragraph so that it fits in with the article instead of sticking out so much & added the citation. I fleshed the listings of the show out too, so that article feels a little more balanced.  Hopefully the breast flashing just reads as a unfortunate little side event, which it was.

I think that's probably it, the anon user I was having the disagreement with has not commented on this & I think the article is up to standard now. Can we leave this open for a few days to give people a chance to put their opinion in, and then close it?rakkar 22:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Addhoc 17:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)