Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-20 Killian v blogs

Mediation Case: 2006-11-20 Killian v blogs
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Request Information

 * Request made by: htom 08:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * ... Killian documents and Killian documents authenticity issues and their talk pages


 * Who's involved?
 * ... One user, JBKramer, is reverting parts of the articles, myself, other editors.


 * What's going on?
 * ... JBKramer is reverting any link to a blog post about the topic. The rest of us are objecting to this behavior on his part. Talk:Killian documents, the Blogs section, has most of the discussion. Perhaps we are wrong; direction as to how to include information and history that was both ignored by, and then inaccurately reported by, newspapers would be appreciated if the primary documents (blogs) cannot be used. The events did happen, after all, and that newspapers ignored them does not mean that they did not happen as they did.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * ... Have the links to the blog postings restored, since they are essential to understanding the story; preferably, have JBKramer understand that there are times when blogs are more authoritive than newspapers, so that he doesn't take his "never link a blog" campaign elsewhere in Wikiland.


 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * ... "One can accomplish miracles if one doesn't care about the credit." Noisy or discreet, your call. I'm very new at all of this. Maybe I'm yelling for help too soon in the process. htom4722 of comcast period net I check every couple of hours.

Mediator response
A blog is the most least reliable source that I can think of, unless that blog also cites reliable sources. But in that case, the editor might as well use the sources cited. See also Wp:npov.

Compromise offers
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Discussion

 * I was involved in this dispute, and therefore won't take the mediation. However, I note that JBKramer has expressed an intent to leave Wikipedia.  Under the circumstances, maybe this mediation should be closed as moot, subject to re-opening if JBKramer expresses an interest in participating.  I will leave a note on his talk page.  TheronJ 15:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you; the revert squabble does seem to have died down, and the question of appropriateness of blog citation seems to be being slowly discussed. :)
 * Thank you; the revert squabble does seem to have died down, and the question of appropriateness of blog citation seems to be being slowly discussed. :)