Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-08 Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident

Mediation Case: 2006-12-08 Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident
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Request Information

 * Request made by: Striver 03:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * 1) Talk:Beit Hanoun November 2006 incident
 * 2) 1996 shelling of Qana
 * 3) Qana airstrike


 * Image:Qana massacre.jpg
 * Image:Qana 38.jpg
 * Image:Gaza morgue .jpg
 * Image:Beit HanounBlood.jpg


 * Who's involved?
 * --Striver 23:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:tariqabjotu
 * ⇒ bsnowball  09:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:QmunkE
 * User:JoshuaZ
 * User:Rosicrucian
 * User:Opiner
 * User:RunedChozo
 * --Rosicrucian 23:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * User:Burgas00
 * User:Palestine48
 * User:Itaqallah
 * User:Tewfik
 * User:Nielswik
 * User:Beit Or

I compiled the list myself, im sorry if i missed or mistakenly added anybody. --Striver 23:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What's going on?
 * Dispute regarding the NPOV and Fair use status of four pictures, the comon denominator is that the they are pictures of violences caused by the IDF. Every trick in the book is used to prevent the inclusion of the pictures in the three articles.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * Create consensus


 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * No discretion needed.

Mediator response

 * Is this mediation still active or can I close it? --Ideogram 21:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Closing. --Ideogram 00:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Compromise offers
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Discussion

 * if some form of consensus can be reached on the above, could we also discuss the problem with the title. (tho this is definitely a secondary issue.) specificaly the euphemism 'incident' is arguable incorrect and insulting, regardless of what it was intended to be. there was a move war over this & a previous move request (by me) was no consensus. there were serious problems with my suggested title, apart from point blank opposition to any change. perhaps 'killings' would be at least properly descriptive. relevant guidelines are't much help as there doesn't appear to be any one commonly used description. &rArr; bsnowball  15:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I really think we could avoid a lot of wasted time and effort if we could get the mediation case semiprotected against anonymous IPs. I mean, considering the vandal activity.--Rosicrucian 06:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Dispute
As i wrote above, the dispute is regarding the inclusion of several pictures into the appropriate articles. I find that there are no real reason to exclude the pictures from the articles, but some editors have raised a host of issues ranging from Fair Use issues, it being POV to include pictures, the pictures provided from BBC being fake and BBC not being a reliable source and so fourth... --Striver - talk 13:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

as far as im concerned this is just the latest islamist bad faith attempt to try to make the page into propaganda for their terrorist brothers in the spirit of taqiyya and kitman which say that you have to lie to any unbeliever in the cause of making islam dominant in the world. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.178.235.28 (talk • contribs).

The dispute is not just about "inclusion of pictures", it's about the deliberate attempt by Striver and others to force material into the article and violate NPOV standards. I would have commented earlier but I have been away over the holidays, it's lucky I was back in time to comment in this case.

The pictures they keep trying to force, as well as dubious, unreliable "witness reports" that serve only to push emotional appeal, are definite violations of NPOV. RunedChozo 15:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Conclusion
Pursuant to the First Amendment, the photos are allowed. Wiki e Zach|  talk  19:20, 26 January 2007 (UTC)