Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-02-21 dispute with another editor

Mediation Case: 2007-02-21 dispute with another editor
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Request Information

 * Request made by: Maysara 13:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * Talk:Copt, Talk:Copt/Ethnicity, Talk:Music of Egypt, User talk:Egyegy (Please see earlier revisions by me because the other editor (User:Egyegy) keeps reverting.


 * Who's involved?
 * User:Egyegy, myself.


 * What's going on?
 * In Talk:Copt, a dispute over organizing the talk-page itself. I earlier created a sub-talk-page for reasons which you'll find here. User:Egyegy deleted the sub-talk-page and merged it with an all inclusive archive without any talk. We had some tension in his/her talk page: I reverted, he/she did too. Then I put the whole issue on the article's talk-page for "talking to the other parties involved", he/she reverted over it, thus preventing addressing the issue with others.
 * In article "Music of Egypt", the same user deleted the "Unreferenced" and "Verify" templates which I thought absolutely applicable to the article. Reverting took place, both sides. I took the issue up in the article's talk page, he/she replied but reverted again. I don't think he/she has considered what I said, and that he/she at the moment is quite passionate about winning out the situation.
 * Finally, I sent a message in his/her talk page, attempting to solve things out and reproaching him/her for preventing others from participating with their opinions by reverting over the new sections in the article's talk-page, but he/she considered it a "harassment" and deleted it.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * I'd like to keep Talk:Copt and Talk:Copt/Ethnicity as they were previously, until the issue is resolved by the participation and opinions of others. User:Egyegy's reverting prevents even this.
 * I also would like the templates mentioned above to remain on "Music of Egypt" until the issue is resolved by the possible consensus.


 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * I wouldn't, but I think it would be better if User:Egyegy couldn't see our discussions. Otherwise I suspect he/she would become more passionate about winning the dispute out! So yes, I'd prefer we work discreetly. Here is my email address: maysara.omar@gmail.com

Mediator response
First you need to get him talking to you, if he is just revert-warring there is not much we can do. However, it appears that he has not edited for several days, so perhaps he is gone.

If he returns, I recommend you appeal to a broader community for input by asking at the Village pump, posting a Wikiquette alert, or filing a Request for Comment.

I will close this case for now; if you do get him to discuss and need further assistance leave a note on my talk page and I can reopen it. --Ideogram 04:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * WooooooooooW !!!! HOW INSPIRING! HOW HOLISTICALLY HELPFUL! You know what, User:Ideogram, the relief which you've made me feel, derives me in such an elevated spirit, to FORGET ABOUT IT ALLLLLLLL! :-) Rejoice, rejoice my friend; for happiness, is right in front of my eyes! And the thanks goes to whoooooooom?!! IT GOES TO YOOOOOOOOOU !! __Maysara 09:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Compromise offers
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Discussion

 * Question Where is the sub-page that you created? The link you provided just takes you to the bottom of the main talk page of the article. Diez2 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The sub-talk-page is here, but this is an earlier revision, because User:Egyegy has abolished that page and merged its supposedly special data in an all-inclusive archive or even divided over a number of archives. Now the previously Talk:Copt/Ethnicity redirects to one of these archives; which is precisely the problem. The link you're referring to is not that of the sub-talk-page itself, but that of a discussion on the main talk-page through which I wanted to bring the issue to other editors so as to find a solution to the problem. User:Egyegy reverted over it and thus prevented addressing this organizational disputed with others. Thank you, __Maysara 13:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)


 * On a quick review I don't see what the fuss is about. Perhaps you (either of the disputing parties) can clarify why it's important.  Is this just a question of when it's appropriate to archive old discussions or is there something more to it?  According to the [| talk page guidelines] discussions can / should be archived when they get too long or a "particular subject is no longer being discussed."  The material that was archived seems relevant to a debate over the content of the article, and I can see that there are two or more sides that are both passionate about Coptic ethnicity.  However, it was long and relatively old, about six months.  It doesn't look like there was much new being added, so it seems an appropriate candidate for archiving.  Are you accusing the other editor of archiving the material to put it out of view in order to preserve some POV bias for the article?  Is there some kind of running dispute that goes beyond this archive issue?  That could be true but if so, where is it?  BTW, thanks for submitting it to a mediation rather than continuing an edit war -- you two stopped just short of breaking the "three revert" rule.  I'll bow out; I'm too new to know how to resolve these kinds of things.  Wikidemo 18:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * hello there .. I have no problem with archiving old material, my problem is with deleting the sub-talk-page and merging its special material in an all-inclusive archive. I instead propose that its material aught be archived separately. The reason the sub-talk-page is important is that: "Very recently there has been an ongoing debate about the question of the ethnic identity of Copts. Too much editing of the article itself has been going on and I believe that the creation of the sub-page Talk:Copt/Ethnicity was quite helpful in controlling the edit-wars and improving the quality of the debate itself. I reckon that this debate--because it appears that it is too prominent--is due to continue by other editors and newcomers; it is for that reason that I believe the sub-talk-page should also continue to exist, so as to work as a reference for those who would most likely still want to debate the ethnic identity of the Copts." ... However, that User:Egyegy recently turned out to be a sock puppet and has been blocked indefinitely; so, I guess this sort of permits me to rejoice in reverting! :-) __Maysara 01:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just for the record: it was a mistake by some confused admin! User:Egyegy is not blocked anymore. And he/she reverted again! ;-( "sniff sniff"! Someone help me please before I go mad! __Maysara 04:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Heeere we go! For example, User:Sonabona recently, that is, after Egyegy's reverts, posted this question on Talk:Copt: "Copts = ancient Egyptians and Pharaoes?" ... Now would he/she had done so had Talk:Copt/Ethnicity been still there? And even if he/she still did, wouldn't it have been a lot more easier for everyone to just point him to the sub-talk-page rather than start from the beginning? Very similar questions will just never stop on Talk:Copt, because the debate about Copt's ethnicity is a prominent one. We could only hope that the existence of the sub-talk-page can do some help! __Maysara 13:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)