Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-05 Demographic for Lexington, Kentucky

Mediation Case: Demographic for Lexington, Kentucky
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Request Information

 * Request made by:  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 06:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Where is the issue taking place?
 * At Lexington, Kentucky under demographics.


 * Who's involved?
 * user:Seicer and 74.140.187.112


 * What's going on?
 * An image of a church is at dispute. The image has been on the article for a very long time. Previous attempts to remove it by user:Klettern, a single purpose account, failed with a consensus non-consensus. However, other editors have stepped in to revert the changes at that time, as indicated by an edit at 00:53, 8 November 2006 by user:Pd THOR.

Also of note, User talk:74.140.187.112 has been initiating the edits lately. It is a sockpuppet of User talk:74.140.204.192, User talk:74.131.74.181 and user:Klettern.


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * There has been no valid reason indicated why the image must be removed.


 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * No, an open process is perfectly acceptable.

Mediator response
At this moment in time, it appears that user: klettern must feel that the image of the church is (i). out of place in the demographics section or (ii). that the caption does not suit the picture. I will be contacting user: klettern and User talk: 74.140.187.112 to attempt to retrieve their POV on the matter and what, if any compromise they will be willing to make so that there are no longer any unnecessary deletions on the Lexington, Kentucky page. Alexander Phipps 12:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Would all of the involved parties be alright with me closing this mediation because it appears that all of the unnecessary deletes on the Lexington, Kentucky page have ceased. Alexander Phipps 12:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. I'll just point to this if it occurs again.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 01:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Compromise offers
This section is for listing and discussing compromise offers.


 * What about putting the picture back and removing the name and religious affiliation of the church from the caption? I'm assuming it's being removed because the anonymous user feels it presents a religious bias. John Reaves (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:CollegeoftheBible-LexKY.JPG|right|thumb]] However, I am wondering why the other image with the caption, College of the Bible, now the Lexington Theological Seminary, was not removed... I wouldn't have a problem with the caption modified to indicate, for instance, A church along East High Street. I have a problem, however, with the single purpose accounts and the vague comments, despite a lengthy discussion prior.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 07:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's an anti-Baptist POV that's being pushed. That caption sounds good to me. John Reaves (talk) 07:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, Klettern has never objected to the caption, but always to the image itself, giving two reasons. First, that by including a picture of one church, we must include pictures of all churches. Second, that the picture does not convey relevant information. I think the first argument is wrong, but the second argument has some merit. I think a better picture for this spot might be the largest church in town, labled as such, or churches representative of Lexington's major denominations. Cmadler 21:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The largest would be the church along Harrodsburg Road near the Jessamine County line.  Seicer  (talk) (contribs) 21:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)