Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-03-15 Rick Sanchez

Mediation Case: 2007-03-15 Rick Sanchez
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Request Information

 * Request made by: User:Nickisis 03:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)DittobeDittodo


 * Where is the issue taking place?Rick Sanchez


 * ''Who's involved? Nickisis 16:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC), Dittobedittodo: ...


 * What's going on?The unregistred user continue adding a story about an Accident Rick Sanchez supposely had. The referrence is from a Miami New Times article (not a legitimate newspaper).  If you read the Discussion page, first the user states that it happened in a parking lot, then changes his mind.  Then he says that Sanchez killed someone, although he was never charged.  Under the discussion board he states that "even if he was not charged, it does not mean it didn't happen."

As a matter of record, I made none of those contradictions; everything you just mentioned was done by a different user. 70.118.242.25 07:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Nickisis- The article is sourced and reliable. There are also other sources from the Sun Sentinel (hopefully the user isn't going to claim that is not a valid newspaper), however that is a site that requires login so it is not able to be source. So far, the only user that believes that this article should not contain this reference is the unregistered user above, there have been 4 other users along with myself that believe the information is factual and warrants inclusion. As well, the Miami New Times and Palm Beach New Times ARE legitimate published newspapers in the South Florida area. The article also never claims that Sanchez KILLED anyone, just that he hit someone while driving drunk that later died from the accident. The unregistered user above is claiming statements that were never made. -

The user is hell bent on adding negative things to the page. Even if the incident happned, Sanchez was never charged and the alleged incident happened 17 years ago! The user has been asked in the discussion board for more legitimate references, but has not produced them. In light of this being a biography of a living person, I strongly believe including a blurb about an accident, mentioning that someone was killed, although Sanchez was never charges, is treading in dangerous waters, especially with the references given.

Nickisis- It's not even if the incident happened, it did happen. Just because Sanchez was never charged does not mean that someone did not die from an accident that occurred while Sanchez was driving drunk. Not being charged does not change the facts. There have now been two different references from two different articles given to the above unregistered user, as well as mentioning that going to the Sun Sentinel site will provide more proof (but cannot be cited since it is a login only site). I don't understand why a biography of a living person cannot include information that is factual and cited, it appears the unregistered user above does not want the information included for personal reasons, and not reasons that follow Wikipedia guidelines. The article is not claiming that Sanchez killed anyone maliciously, however, the fact remains that Sanchez was involved in an accident while drinking, and the man was paralyzed and later died due to that accident. That is factual, cited, proven, and I do not see a reason why it should not be included.


 * ''What would you like to change about that? Please remove that section about Sanchez hitting and killing a person, eventhough he WAS NEVER CHARGED!  Thank you.

Nickisis- Myself (and I'm sure the other editors) would like to have the accident included in the biography page, considering it is a sourced reference, that is factual. It is not slander, no one is claiming anything negative about it, but it should be included considering most would believe that is a major part of a living persons biography. Once again, the only person that is denying that this should be included is the above unregistered user, that have been multiple other editors that have attempted to include the reference, to which the above user has quickly deleted it.




 * Would you prefer we work discreetly? If so, how can we reach you?
 * ...Nickisis- You may reach me at nickisis@yahoo.com

Mediator response
I'll accept this one, although while quickly googling I see nearly no resources that verify the unlogged user's claim. Kntrabssi 05:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Guys, I will ask you to please re-read WP:Civility when discussing these matters and not to start attacking each other. As I have read it, Sanchez hit Smuzinick and put him in a coma.  Am I correct?  Kntrabssi 22:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You are correct, Sanchez hit him, while drunk, and Smuzinick was paralyzed from the accident (I'm not sure how long he was in a coma). He later died as a result (I'm not sure if you should include this or not, however, he definitely was paralyzed right after the accident).  I would also like to keep this civil, and am trying my best, so far I have been called a Miami native who hates Hispanics by the person who wants this removed.  I really found that uncalled for, and have yet to do anything but attempt to solve this in a civil manner. Nickisis 13:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Compromise offers
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 * The incident in mention is notable enough to be included in the article. However, the details, such as the fact that he was not charged, and that the victim may have been inebriated (please include a source for this) should also be included.  Kntrabssi 09:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This sounds perfectly acceptable, and I agree that the victim's state and the fact that he wasn't charged should be included, this is a perfectly fair compromise. Nickisis 14:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
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I have supplied additional sources on the Rick Sanchez Discussion Page. 70.118.242.25 07:45, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I have edited this mediation case for reasons why the accident should be included. Nickisis 14:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Nickisis