Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-12 Colorado Avalanche

Request Information
Fighting for Justice has recently removed information from the Colorado Avalanche atricle, citing it to be indiscriminate information, and I disagree.

Who are the involved parties?

 * Fighting for Justice
 * Kntrabssi

What's going on?
FFJ removed information about Steve Moore, who experienced a horrofic on-ice attack by Todd Bertuzzi that resulted in his playing career being over. I feel that this information is relevant and should stay, while FFJ does not.

What would you like to change about that?
I would prefer to see a sentence or two about the incident, being that it is a major incident in hockey history, not just in the history of the franchise. I am fine with reducing the amount of text, but I don't believe it should be left out entirely. Kntrabssi 00:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Mediator response
If you two are willing to have me, I'd be happy to help out. When you've both indicated your approval here, we'll begin discussion on the talk page, alright? --Moralis (talk) 03:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it, Moralis, and I'll leave a message on FFJ's talk page. Kntrabssi 03:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm for it as well. As I said here if the incident is going to be included give it a line or two and nothing more.  A section of its own is way too much.  As for the incident being something historical for hockey, I think, the incident is way too recent to call it hockey history.  Three years is not a long time and neither is Moore the first man to suffer serious on-ice injuries.  How is it history for the franchise?  Moore played 69 games in his 3 years with the team.  He was less then a star.  In that time, he contributed a paltry 5 goals and 7 assist.  The team management hasn't expressed any interest in having him back.  Team management has not supported him in his lawsuit against Bertuzzi.  So besides bad press, on a historic level, what did this incident really do for the franchise?  I say nothing.  Fighting for Justice 07:40, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * FFJ, Marty McSorley and Donald Brashear were far from stars on the Bruins and Canucks, respectively, when that incident occured. It doesn't really matter his status on the team, because his publicity came because of this incident.  These sort of attacks, like McSorley and Richard, deserve to be mentioned, especially on a team that is relatively new (they moved from Quebec in 1995).  Kntrabssi 13:55, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

In hopes of keeping this page relatively clean, I've opened up the discussion on this article's talk page. I'm going to start by asking each of you a few questions (some of them might seem redundant - just gimme a shot =P). You can feel free to respond to each others' answers, as long as it's civil. --Moralis (talk) 17:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Interestingly enough neither the Bruins or Canucks articles mention that incident. How does the change of city make this event worthy of being mentioned? A move that occurred 10 years ago does not make them a "new" team. Give me a break!  Fighting for Justice 21:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * FFJ, a ten year old team is a new team in comparison to the other teams in the league, some of which joined in the 70's, and some in the 80's. I've responded on the talk page about the Bruins and Canucks article, as well as the fact that the Richard Riot is mentioned on the Montreal Canadiens page.  The fact that this is a new team means it has very little history.  It won two Stanley Cups, and has had some Hall of Fame players, but this is one of the most violent attacks against them in their history.  The fact that this didn't benefit the franchise does not mean it should be discluded.  Kntrabssi 14:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)