Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-09-08 State of Fear


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Who are the involved parties?

 * User:William M. Connolley
 * User:KimDabelsteinPetersen
 * User:Aryeh M. Friedman
 * User:Mariordo

What's going on?
The first two mentioned editors are attempting to reverse edits that they claim the second two editors are doing WP:OR when in fact they have presented no evidence to this effect while the accused have presented reams of evidence that it is not WP:OR.

All relivent material can be found in the last major section of the talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryeh M. Friedman (talk • contribs)


 * [WMC version]: As far as I can see, the OR is all coming from A. I don't see M as involved. A doesn't seem to understand the concept of OR; here's me trying to explain . It would also be nice if A could give up the accusations of vandalism and his apparent belief that his version gets to stand until mediation is done William M. Connolley (talk) 18:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I will let M respond directly since it is not my habbit to forward private emails... as to which version stands before you made any rv's the version that is (basically, less a lot of garbling from the edit war) being put forward by my self (and M when he confirms this fact) *IS* the versin that was in place for the last 4 weeks *BEFORE* you attempted any revisions. If you examine the revision history you will see at least 8 people had the oppurtonity to "correct" it and none did thus once again the burden of proof is on you. --Aryeh M. Friedman (talk) 18:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Let's move the back and forth to the case talk page so we don't pester the commitee. --Aryeh M. Friedman (talk) 04:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

What would you like to change about that?
Attempt to resolve the issue if it is WP:OR or not — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryeh M. Friedman (talk • contribs)


 * [WMC] In addition to the above, A to learn that he can't just impose burden-of-change on the other side by fiat. And if he could possibly learn to sign his posts, that would be nice too William M. Connolley (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Signing is an outside issue to this matter,,, If I remember right you have a history of attempting to introduce non-NPOV into this article you where turned away once by a concerted effort by people who actually care about presenting the book correctly instead of attempting to make it some anti-GW or pro-GW (or WTF ever since Crichton has made it crystal clear in every personal statement and speech/interveiew/what ever that he did not dirrect desire any such contresy [though he must awful naive if he thought there would be none ;-)]) --Aryeh M. Friedman (talk) 03:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Mediator notes
Ready to begin? How about we start by a brief statement on the case discussion page from each of the participants. I've got the gist of it from reading the above statements and the article talk page. How about you each now describe briefly (preferably in no more than 200 words) what you consider to be the main issues? Sunray (talk) 02:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion
Do we still have a dispute? I haven't noticed any reverting recently William M. Connolley (talk) 09:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes we do and I will post my arg later.... btw didn't the mediator ask to have it on the discussion page not here? --Aryeh M. Friedman (talk) 11:11, 21 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I will post my comments/opening in the Talk page tomorrow.--Mariordo (talk) 04:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)