Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-10-01 Sveta Gera

Who are the involved parties?
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What's going on?
The dispute concerns the title of the article. The article has been moved several times already. Sveta Gera aka Trdinov vrh is a disputed territory. Zenanarh tries to prove the article should be named Sveta Gera on the basis of the historical sources he has found. Yerpo disputes their relevancy and reliability. Eleassar (me) tries to prove Wikipedia should not take part in the dispute and should choose the most frequent name, which he assumes is Trdinov vrh. Admiral Norton disputes that as he believes Sveta Gera is the most common name.

The dispute has become uncivil and some users have expressed their inability to assume good faith any further.

What would you like to change about that?
I would like to ensure Wikipedia retains neutral position in the dispute and that Wikipedia policies and guidelines (especially WP:NPOV, WP:NCON and WP:NCGN) are taken seriously.

Mediator notes
Has this discussion just stopped? I don't see any real activity here or on the talk page in months. Could we consider the case closed? ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 17:04, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I suppose now would be a good time for a mediator to tell what he/she thinks... We haven't really come to an agreement. --Yerpo (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Archived discussion


 * How does new organizations and textbooks (both generally good indicators of conventional naming) name the subject and treat the naming dispute? Can you provide some examples?
 * Official sources in Slovenia use exclusively "Trdinov vrh" when referring to the peak, while those in Croatia use "Sveta Gera". Examples can be found on government homepages. --Yerpo (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Are any of the proposed names especially obscure in reliable sources? What sort of sources tend to use that name? Can you provide some examples?
 * As far as I know, no. --Yerpo (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Are there any mainstream news sources that discuss this dispute? What about mainstream academic and/or geographical works? What naming conventions do they use? Vassyana (talk) 16:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Some sources:
 * Vercic, D., Tkalac Vercic, A. and Laco, K: Questioning the Dialogue Between Slovenia and Croatia (both names equally)
 * Vercic, D., Tkalac Vercic, A. and Laco, K: Coorientation theory in international relations: The case of Slovenia and Croatia  (both names equally)
 * Reindl D. RFE/RL Balkan Report: Slovenian and Croatian leaders break the ice on bilateral issues (Trdinov vrh primarily, sv. Gera in parentheses)
 * CIA World Factbook 2002 International disputes (Sv. Gera primarily, Trdinov peak in parentheses)
 * --Yerpo (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Why does Yerpo insist on those 2002 edition of the World Factbook (CIA) when it is not relevant. We have current editions and this 2002 is not necessary. -- Imbris (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources are already listed in the discussion and the mediator instructed us to continue the discussion at the talk page and not here. -- Imbris (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Touching base
Any more responses? Are there any further examples of usage in reliable sources? How do North American and Western European governments refer to the place? Does the United Nations or a similar international body address the place and its naming? Vassyana (talk) 02:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Like already said, the independent sources are few, because it isn't an important issue (the peak itself and the dispute about it). I don't know of any use by the UN or North American & Western European governments, apart from that old edition of CIA world factbook. --Yerpo (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)