Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-11-30 Petals Around the Rose

Where is the dispute taking place?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Petals_Around_the_Rose#Showing_the_solution

Who else is involved in the disagreement?
Public members on the talk page.

Briefly, what's the problem?
Some say a solution to a puzzle should not be shown. Others say it should be shown.

...What's keeping it from being solved?
There is no conclusion that everyone will accept.

...What do you want fixed?
The solution should be removed to reach a neutral state. If both parties cannot agree on a conclusion I believe the least harmful option should be put in place. That would be leaving the solution out of the article.

How about a limerick or haiku? Code? Drawing?
A limerick, haiku, or code would be nice to include on the page if it were available, but should definitely not replace the solution altogether. Consensus on the talk page says that the solution should be included, and anything else is fair game. ZtObOr 22:04, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I do no believe there is a consensus. I believe you are taking the views of others which match yours. There are several people who clearly state that the solution should NOT be shown. There seem to be a few persistent individuals who continue to fight on the side of showing the solution.

It is simply your opinion to show the solution.

Trenchant (talk) 07:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

It's not a complete consensus, but it's enough for the article to remain unchanged. It is your (strong enough) opinion that this should be taken to mediation. Most of the people on here have stopped arguing, myself included. And the talk page is not the only place to look for consensus on an issue. If you look at the edit history, a variety of people have reverted the edits to the page. ZtObOr 01:00, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Your logic is flawed. The solution was originally NOT shown.  Persistent users continued to return and add the solution in.  There has never been a conclusion to this dispute.  People merely lose interest in wasting their time in a looping arguement.  That is why I requested mediation.Trenchant (talk) 07:42, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I hate to bring this back up, but the solution was posted on the second edit of this article, by the same person who created the article. Although, it was under white colour tags, but that brings the issue of consensus to whether the answer should have a spoiler warning instead, instead of whether it should exist at all on the page. It has only been people who saw this article afterwards that decided to remove the solution altogether.
 * I believe this nullifies your original argument, bring the context elsewhere. ZtObOr 22:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)