Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-01/Years of Refusal

Where's the dispute?

 * Years of Refusal

What's the dispute?
is refusing to accept my edits to the above article. I am attempting to complete the personnel section as per the guidelines at WP:ALBUMS by adding the producer and photographer (who have long been confirmed). However, TheColdDick has accused me of original research. This is despite me attempting to explain on the article's talk page. I feel TheColdDick has ownership issues as he continually reverts my edits despite them improving articles related to Morrissey. I felt his reverts were vandalism, however, when I reported him to WP:AIV I was informed (I accept correctly) that mediation should be tried. --JD554 (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * COMMENT: I agree with you about the original research issue - it seems silly, to me, for to claim something is original research while accepting the very same information used to the same purpose elsewhere in the article. Redundancy is a trickier issue. The information you're adding is redundant - but, as you point out, WP:ALBUMS demands redundancy ("[a] personnel section should be included") and this doesn't seem a candidate for WP:IAR. Is it common for the personnel list to include the photographer? I had found that dubious, but other albums do include such peripheral personnel, e.g. Boys for Pele; The Dark Side of the Moon, including even some other Morrissey albums, e.g. Vauxhall and I (although not others, e.g. Maladjusted). Lastly, reviewing the edit history, I'm inclined to agree with you about WP:OWN. In all, I think you're basically in the right in this dispute, although mediation should hear the other user's side of it.Simon Dodd (talk) 21:01, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for the comments. It is normal to include as many credited personal as possible – if you look at WP:ALBUM/A, the criteria for B-class articles includes: A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians. I agree we need to hear TheColdDick's side, unfortunately I don't think we're going to get it. --JD554 (talk) 20:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes; after writing the comment above, I went to look at his talk page, and it certainly sums up his attitude, even without going into the (dismaying) history. Simon Dodd (talk) 01:33, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * My side is simply this - before filling out the personnel section he should have at least waited until the album actually came out to have an accurate and complete list to reference. The list was nothing more than restating information previously stated and his best guesses from the article. I hardly think I'm being unreasonable by asking someone to wait until an album is released before predicting what the liner notes say. For the sake of accuracy and proper reference, no comprehensive personnel list should be added until the proper one becomes available.


 * As for my talk page, if you knew anything about the harassment JD554 has unleashed on me then you would understand why I don't want him on my talk page. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I believe it does say near the bottom of the edit page "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it". TheColdDick (talk) 11:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't add anything that isn't already in the article, I simply formatted it per WP:ALBUMS. What you call harrassment, I would say has been me attempting to have you stick with accepted Wikipedia policies and guidelines. --JD554 (talk) 19:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * TheColdDick, unless I'm mistaken, I don't see any of this "harassment" that JD554 is unleashing upon you. Rather, it appears that you're simply being obdurate, replacing your talk page with "I don't care what any of you have to say...so don't bother." Not exactly helpful to a civilised discussion. Cheers.  Im per a t § r (Talk)  21:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just want to say that if TheColdDick will not cooperate with us we are powerless in this situation. If that is the case, I would try going to WP:RFC and of he still does not cooperate, we will have to go through the legnthy process of WP:ARBCOM, which I will not recommend unless all else fails. Leujohn  ( talk ) 09:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It looks like TheColdDick hasn't returned from a recent block for edit-warring. So I guess this particular issue can't go any further. Thanks to all those who have tried to help anyway. --JD554 (talk) 08:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)