Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-03/Reliable sources (medicine-related articles)

Where's the dispute?
At Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources_(medicine-related_articles)

What's the dispute?
There are users who are trying to use Wikipedia for political lobbying. Recently, MEDRS was used to remove a reliable source about a social issue. This conflicts with our policies on reliable sources and neutrality. --Mihai cartoaje (talk) 14:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Looked at the change that is contentious. The question "does neuroleptics cause brain tissue loss" is not a social question it is a scientific question. The question "should neuroleptics be used in dementia" however is both a social and a scientific question.

The text in question should not be supported by a ref to the NY times but should be referenced to a peer reviewed literature or systematic review of the literature published in a well recognized journal. The fact that neuroleptics lead to increased mortality is well supported by the evidence. Hope this helps. Cheers -- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Read a little more and it looks like this issue has been dealt with.-- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Mihai can you explain what you are hoping to accomplish? I am a little confused. Thanks.-- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Based on the diff he linked and what he says here about it, I believe that he wants statements like "there is evidence that the neuroleptic drugs themselves cause loss of brain tissue" to be declared to be statements about social issues instead of scientific/medical facts. I don't think mediation is going to work, as I'll certainly never agree that this is not a statement of physical fact.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As the above comments and ' are all clearly about the content of Schizophrenia, not about the content of WP:MEDRS, I suggest fixing ' so that it points at the section Talk:Schizophrenia  rather than at the far-less-relevant section Wikipedia talk:Reliable sources (medicine-related articles) . Eubulides (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's no use hoping that Mihai will stop beating this particular dead horse. I'm not optimistic that mediation would be useful here - it rarely is when dealing with committed single-agenda advocates - but you all are welcome to give it a go. MastCell Talk 22:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Will give the opener of this case a couple more days to respond to the above comments about what he expects.-- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:47, 26 March 2009 (UTC)