Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-04-08/Lady Gaga discography

Where's the dispute?
Talk:Lady Gaga discography

What's the dispute?
Very trivial. A concern was raised that the certifications listed should be in a separate chart altogether. It was I who removed it because none of them were properly referenced and only put the major music markets like Aus and US in the single table instead. That way it looks much compressed and doesnot appear to be a directory. However Users Mooviestarz and Ninjachucks started bad mouthing me in the talk page telling that I'm owning the page and WIkipedia is full of bullies like me and etc etc. I replied that I don't care what they say about me as long as they insert valid info in the article. Most of them insert references badly failing WP:RS) and non-permanent links. Hence they are removed. I think their problem was that I was the one who removed it although I explained why they are removed and what can be done instead. Anyways since they continued their own problems in the article talk page, I striked out such forum like conversations (including mine) and told the user to take it to the user talk page. He removed those strikeouts again. Then it came here. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 05:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Where's the dispute?
Lady Gaga Discography page

What's the dispute?

 * Discussion moved to talk page.

Discussion
Hi. Is this primarily a conduct or a content problem? Xavexgoem (talk) 01:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The whole discussion is regarding how certifications should be listed and formatted on the Lady Gaga discography article. Therefore I suspect that the issue relates to a content problem. Much thanks for coming to our assistance. As you must know, we have been waiting quite sometime now. childfunk  chat  06:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. I apologize for that; I'm largely to blame for our poor performance these past 2 months. Apparently I'm not an interface (re)designer after all ^^;
 * But anyway: I take it a central point of contention is whether all or a few certifications should be listed? Is it possible to summarize the certifications within the prose? Xavexgoem (talk) 18:40, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok I am confused as to why my complaint and all the people who weighed in on it as well as all the nasty comments made about me by Legolas have been removed. It is strange but I was the one that opened this complaint but somehow Legolas opened his comments above mine to make it look like he was the first. The comments where he referred to me as a "Dick" have been removed. There was a list of complaints from others about his actions here as well that are now gone. There are numerous people here that back me up on the comment he made about me in this cabal calling me a "Dick". Maybe this is standard procedure, to remove all this information, I don't know. But something has to be done about him and how he treats everyone else here as if the page belongs to him. Sorry but I don't think someone who uses foul language towards another on these pages should be allowed to edit pages. Being rude with people is one thing calling people names is another thing entirely. (MoovieStarz (talk) 18:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC))
 * Also the problem here was partly about certifications, partly about which songs can be added to an artists single releases and which countries were added to the main discography page as well as pages for each single. These are not the main problem though. It is how Legolas treats everyone here on this page when they try to add or change things he doesn't agree with. He needs to understand that just because he doesn't have all the information on a single etc doesn't mean that information is correct. He also need to learn how to talk to people here when he lets people that they made a mistake or haven't followed the rules. The main problem here has simply been a matter of his attitude towards others.(MoovieStarz (talk) 18:48, 1 May 2009 (UTC))


 * Comment — Past conversation regarding this case has not been deleted, but moved to the discussion page. The original "complaint" was moved there also, as this page was not set up properly when created.  As someone who has been watching this situation from the sidelines, the issue at Lady Gaga discography is content and formatting of the page.  Clearly a compromise can be made regarding the placement of certifications and which countries are included.  Talk:Lady Gaga discography, however, has gone out of control.  Forum-like comments were being added (and stricken) and way too much time was spent whining and accusing Legolas of bullying and page-ownership when clearly he was attempting to keep the page sourced and organized.  Why this was left on the mediator's Talk Page instead of here is beyond me, but it has motivated me to express a feeling of deja-vu as these diffs from April 2007 may show.  This editor in particular has shown past behavior of accusing people of rudeness, bullying or article-ownership if any of his edits are contested, challenged or if god forbid, the most delicate language is not used when communicating.  No editor on Wikipedia gets everything they want, and it does no good to rant or leave long diatribes on Talk Pages.  Moovie basically had the same problems when editing Pet Shop Boys discography, then left for about 2 years (with the exception of a few edits in 2008), started recently with the Gaga discography and now has the same reaction when his edits are removed or questioned.  That said, Legolas has already moved on; I would not expect further comment from him on this matter.  His "dick" reference was obviously derived from frustration with the situation and a nod to Wikimedia's own Don't be a dick page. - eo (talk) 20:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Not sure Why Enricorbit decided he had to put his two cents in here. But I had not had problems with anyone at Wikipedia till the initial problems with the Pet Shop Boys page. I had referenced information then and got treated in much the same way then as I have been treated by Legolas. Enricorbit at least had the decency not to call people foul names. I don't expect to have it my way about things. But there is way to talk and treat people here. If I or others have done something out of line, I see no reason why we can't be told so. But there is a better way than to tell someone to "stop editing" or "take it elsewhere" as Legolas did. For some reason he thinks that isn't rude. I am not alone in seeing the problem with Legolas' attitude towards others and his treating the page as his own. If one takes the time to read it's quite evident where the problem lies. I don't think that I am without fault and I know that sometimes I and others can make mistakes here. I just ask that editors treat others with some respect and that is not happening here.

EO brings up that I had a problem with him at The Pet Shop Boys Page. Yes I did. But that was over 2 years ago. Why it is important to this issue I have no idea. If it is to say I have a problem with working with others or following the rules, then my record is pretty clean when compared to Legolas and others. This whole thing is about treating other with some decency and respect. Legolas does not know how to talk to people about changes in a decent manner. And that is all I am asking for. We are not going to see eye to eye with each other on things here all the time. But we can at least try to treat each other with respect.

And Enricorbit, you do no service to yourself or others when you defend Legolas' calling me a Dick and posting that page with it. First there really shouldn't be a page like that at Wikipedia. There are a lot names we can call each other. Some that could be very disgusting and hurtful. It doesn't matter whether he was frustrated or not. That gives him no excuse to call someone a dick (Or any other foul name). Defending the use of foul language on a site that children also use is very questionable.

And why you felt the need to comment on something you have had nothing to do with is very questionable indeed. I put it behind me. As for Legolas moving on, I had already been sitting waiting for some mediation for some time and have kept to myself. I just noticed today that a mediator had been found. When I saw things missing I obviously has questions. All I or anyone asks is for Legolas to take the time to think about his responses to people. Make sure they understand why he has deleted something they added or reverted it and don't get rude about it.

2 years ago the issue was between the two of us and that was it. Today this issue is between Legolas and numerous people who feel the same way I do. Just because we had a problem two years ago does not automatically make me the guilty party. And when several people are making the same complaints about him, then you can't just make this an issue about me and him. I may have reported him, but that doesn't mean I am the only one who feels his behavior has been wrong. When I believe something is wrong I speak up about it. If that is a problem I am sorry. Like I said I question why you decided to get involved in something you have had nothing to do with. Put the issue we had in the past where it belongs. I did. (MoovieStarz (talk) 21:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC))
 * Moovie, sorry but you are going to have to give it a rest now. Everyone has lost interest. We have all moved on. childfunk  chat  10:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry Childfunk, but Enricorbit brought this up when he shouldn't have. I was just curious as to where all the info on this page had gone to. It was unnecessary for him to add the comments he did as he was not involved in this whole issue. It was a deliberate attempt on his part to paint the wrong picture about this issue. Sorry but I am not having him portray this as just about me & legolas, especially when he has nothing to do with this whole problem in the first place. I just want to make it clear that the issue is between Legolas and many others here, not just me. I had move on too and said nothing again till I noticed all the comments had been moved. (MoovieStarz (talk) 22:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC))
 * Ok, just incase you were not aware, it has been moved to Wikipedia_talk:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-04-08/Lady_Gaga_discography, so this page can be primarily used for the mediator to fix the issue rather than all users discuss it here again. childfunk  chat  22:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

OK Thanks a lot Childfunk! Much Appreciated!! (MoovieStarz (talk) 05:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC))