Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-12-29/List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations

Where is the dispute?
List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations

Who is involved?
Just a list of the users involved. For example:


 * User:Rapido
 * User:Curtis Clark
 * User:Angr
 * User:Kwamikagami

What is the dispute?
I added "London" to List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations, however other editors disagree that it is counterintuitive. At the top of the article page, it states that it one of the reasons for inclusion is "because the pronunciation does not correspond to the spelling" which applies in the case of the name "London" (pronounced as if it were spelt "Lun-don" not "Lon-don"), however the apparent reason given for reversion is "not counterintuitive", with no further validation. I suspect the reasoning for this is because other editors presume that because London is a well known city, therefore "everyone knows how to pronounce it".

What would you like to change about this?
The other editors have so far refused to discuss the matter; or take my opinions on board. Perhaps either the article can be restructured into separate parts, where there is a special section for names where there is not agreement whether the name is counterintuitive or not, because as it stands, the article fails WP:NPV.

How do you think we can help?
Discussion with other editors to enquire why they refuse to discuss the matter with me, would be a start.

Discussion
Had Rapido brought it to the discussion page initially rather than starting an edit war and violating 3RR, none of this would be necessary.--Curtis Clark (talk) 17:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as I am concerned, the edit war was started by editors other than myself, as I was not the person who reverted first. Anyhow, can you substantiate your accusation of violating the three revert rule? Rapido (talk) 18:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


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 * The bold/revert/discuss cycle would have been an appropriate way to handle it. You boldly inserted "London", I reverted, with (IMO) a cogent edit summary. At that point you should have taken it to the talk page. The matter is currently being discussed on the talk page, but last time I looked, you were not participating beyond your initial post.--Curtis Clark (talk) 20:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * According to WP:3RR, it takes "more than three revert actions", whereas I had reverted exactly three times. Not more than three times. I would ask you to retract your accusation, unless you can prove it according to the Wikipedia rule. Rapido (talk) 23:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I would ask you to discuss your concerns about the article on the talk page rather that wikilawyering and creating an unnecessary dispute. If it makes you feel any better, I retract my accusation of 3RR, but I don't find any of your actions useful in building an encyclopedia. I'll see you at the talk page; I'm done with this page unless an actual mediator shows up.--Curtis Clark (talk) 03:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note, this case is closed. Discussion should start at the talk page. If it is still left unresolved after discussion there, it may be brought to mediation.
 * On behalf of the Mediation Cabal, The Wordsmith Communicate 03:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC)