Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-07-17/List of wars between democracies

Where is the dispute?
It's primarily on List of wars between democracies but also on Mass killings under Communist regimes.

Who is involved?
There may be more editors involved as evident from the ANI filed on this, but Open Future and Marknutley are the ones recently involved as far as I can tell.
 * User:Pmanderson
 * User:OpenFuture
 * User:Marknutley

What is the dispute?
Pmanderson is making many personal attacks, often in edit summaries. These are usually completely unprovoked. He is fond of calling people vandals and liars, but others, like POV-pusher and sockpuppet also happen.


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When he doesn't come out in direct attacks, he also often state or imply that those who disagree with him have hidden motives or aren't interested in making a better encyclopedia. Here are just the most blatant examples:


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What would you like to change about this?
I would like Pmanderson to stop attacking people. If that turns out to to be infeasible, he should be blocked.

How do you think we can help?
I don't know, I was told to go here by admin User:Chaser as the only administrator response to my filing of an ANI about this issue, so I'm only doing what I'm told. The only alternative I have to following his request is to let the abuse continue, which isn't a good idea.

So maybe you simply can help by telling some administrator that is actually willing to help fight personal attacks to take a look at it, I don't know.

Reply
There are two articles under discussion here; I consider Mass killings under Communist regimes a waste of time, a battleground like that in Dover Beach. The two economic faiths here deserve each other; my sole efforts on this were to remove a few paragraphs of unused definitions, and to see whether we could get rid of the article - Wikipedia is not Frontline. I don't intend to do more.

As far as I can tell, the only contributions of the other two editors here to List of wars between democracies are to remove entries with which they disagree. Their fundamental complaint is that I have regarded persistent reversion of sourced material as vandalism.


 * Removals of sourced material by OpenFuture:
 * 16:43 18 June,
 * 17:21,
 * 17:43,
 * 21 June 04:13,
 * 09:14,
 * 10:18,
 * 23 June 16:23,
 * 24 June 07:42,
 * 27 June 05:42,
 * 28 June 04:23.. and so on.


 * Removals of sourced material by mark nutley:
 * 21:17 14 July,
 * 21:19,
 * 21:21,
 * 21:36


 * At this point the page was protected. Mark Nutley then put the article up for AfD; where it still is. After the protection lapsed, he continued to remove sourced material, citing no contrary source whatever, merely his own somewhat idiosyncratic understanding of the subject: Greeks had no democracys [sic] and that the United States had no elections before 1789.


 * 09:28 17 July
 * 12;27
 * 12:29
 * 12:30
 * 21:11


 * Since I had only seen them collaborating, and since they share not only an ideology and a favorite website, but several peculiarities in their English, I had suspected them to be sockpuppets; but it has been pointed out that these are the only articles they collaborate on, so they probably aren't. So be it.


 * I would welcome more outside comment; but I doubt there's anything to mediate. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Mediator notes
I'm closing this out because this appears to be an administrative issue to me as one of the parties says he doesn't believe there's anything to mediate. --Wgfinley (talk) 00:56, 25 July 2010 (UTC)