Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-11-13/Seven Laws of Noah

Where is the dispute?
7 laws enumeration section in the article: Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Who is involved?
Just a list of the users involved. For example: Alexey_Topol, Lisa


 * User:Alexey_Topol
 * User:Lisa

What is the dispute?
A calm explanation of what the problem is. Be as precise as you wish, but avoid general statements such as "User:X has a POV regarding article Y", as that's usually unhelpful. Provide diffs if possible, but try to keep the description brief. A list of issues that need to be addressed, such as this, would also help.

The problem is that user Lisa keeps editing the article to include false information, for which she cannot and does not provide any sources. I have repeatedly reverted it to the previous state and finally to include a new, reliable source to back up my position.

The dispute is about the 7 laws of Noah, specifically law number 4 in the wiki article.

Lisa keeps editing in that only "anal sex" was forbidden to Noahides;

prior to her editings the 4th law included the term sodomy, which she keeps editing out. I later added "male homosexuality" as forbidden to Noahides, which she also keeps deleting.

I included my source in the wiki entry: http://www.noahide.org/article.asp?Level=520&Parent=90 Lisa in the other hand provides no sources for her claims.

Lisa has a long track record of edit wars, by the way.

What would you like to change about this?
Here, tell us what you would like to changed. Does the conversation need better structure? Are folks having difficulty communicating? Are they talking past each other? Stuff like that.

Tell Lisa to provide credible sources or refrain from editing out other contributors' information.

How do you think we can help?
We are here to help you, but we need to know how. Sometimes mediators will look at a dispute and have no idea where to start, so please help us out. Do note that we will not "take sides" in any dispute.

Please verify that the information I and others preceding me added is accurate ("sodomy" aka sexual transgression, "male homosexuality"), see my link above.

Insert it into the article, or just revert it to my last edit, and block Lisa from further reverting it, or save the article from vandalism in another appropriate way.

Mediator notes
I would be willing to assist in resolving the issue though I would want to ask both parties just how much both feel how significant their changes are. The conflict being stated appears to be a minor issue about wording and the accuracy of phrasing. I will mediate if both parties are willing. Damotclese (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I never asked to mediate here. Apparently, Alexey started this thing some months ago.  The first I heard about it was when someone recently expressed interest in taking it up.  Alexey wanted to use the word "sodomy", and I said it was too vague a word.  That irked him.  Then he wanted to use "male homosexuality", and I objected to that, because the law is against certain sexual acts, and not homosexuality as such.  He was irked again.  And apparently he was irked enough to start this case.


 * Since this case is basically a complaint from Alexey about me, I don't think it'd be fair for me to express an opinion of the case itself. - Lisa (talk - contribs) 00:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That is often the way, the disagreement is minor but irksom. If you and Alexey agree, how about I write an email to a Jewish Synagogue near me and merely ask, then I will present both of you the response, and the Wiki page could be edited to include a full copy of the inquiry and response as a reference. Basically a third party getting an answer straight from the Rabbi's mouth (LOL) would be quick and easy, and something easily agreed upon, I think. Damotclese (talk) 04:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Administrative notes
LTC b2412 Troops Talk MedCab Talk? 10:04, 7 February 2011 (UTC)