Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-03-28/Common snapper

Where is the dispute?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_snapper#External_links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Common_snapping_turtle#Predation_by_Great_Blue_Heron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dger#The_bot_was_not_.22correct.22.

Who is involved?
The list of the users involved. For example:


 * User:Agamemnus
 * User:Dger

Acceptance of Mediation
Please place your signature here to indicate that you are aware of this mediation process and want to participate in it:
 * Agamemnus

What is the dispute?
--Agamemnus (talk) 18:00, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a Youtube link in the Common_Snapper article.
 * A bot auto-removed it because I wasn't signed in.
 * I then added it back. Dger then removed it again stating that the "bot is correct".
 * I undid Dger's edit, telling him that there's no prohibition against using Youtube videos on Youtube.
 * Dger undid my edit, stating: "How did your insertion add useful information about snapping turtles? Are pigeons a usual food source of snappers?"
 * I then copy-pasted his own argument about another issue in the article -- an image of a heron eating a snapper that I found inappropriate for the same reasons as he just stated --, simply by replacing "heron" with "snapper".
 * He then again undid the link with no explanation.
 * I undid his undo again today.

What would you like to change about this?
How am I supposed to discuss a point with someone who won't even listen to his own reasoning (using his OWN WORDS) 2 months ago? He refuses to even discuss the point.--Agamemnus (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

How do you think we can help?
I don't know. Perhaps ask him why his reasoning applies to an image that he likes, but doesn't apply to a video he doesn't like. --Agamemnus (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Mediator notes
Dger has declined to join the mediation, for these reasons:

Thanks for the request to mediate, however, I choose to decline. I have had earlier dealings with Agamemnus regarding this article and have come to realize that we cannot resolve our differences. I chose not to answer his message to my talk page because he did not justify his reversion. There is no justification. You should have a look at what he added. It is generally not suitable to use YouTube videos on Wikipedia. Coincidently, there is a suitable video that shows how to aid a snapping turtle to cross a road. This is from a reliable source. Pigeons are NOT a food source for turtles. As it says in the article they feed aquatically. I have no idea nor care how the video of a snapping turtle catching and killing a pigeon was made. It appears to come from a source called "bannedontheweb.com", which gives some clue to its provinence. By the way, it may not even be a common snapping turtle. The tail is too short but the quality of the video is too poor to be definitive.

An earlier decision was made to keep a picture of a Great Blue Heron holding and potentially eating a baby turtle. In the Great Blue Heron article it specifically mentions that herons eat reptiles although they commonly eat fish. Several other editors agreed that the picture be kept. Agamemus was the only desenter. The photo was evidence that they potentially eat turtles. Nowhere does it say in the turtle article that turtles eat adult birds.

Thanks for agreeing to mediate this issue but I don't want to continue the discussion with Agamemnus. Cheers. Dger (talk) 02:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

If you are interested in continuing to seek an outside input, you can open a request for a third opinion. Regards, MacMedtalk stalk 11:33, 30 March 2011 (UTC)