Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-06-23/

Where is the dispute?
Mamûretü'l-Azîz

Who is involved?
The list of the users involved. For example:


 * User:Ordtoy
 * User:Takabeg

Acceptance of Mediation
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 * Ordtoy (talk) 04:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

What is the dispute?
The dispute is over whether the Ottoman Turkish name معمورة العزيز in the article Mamûretü'l-Azîz should be transliterated into the Latin alphabet as Mamûretü'l-Azîz or something else. I have used standard Ottoman Turkish transliteration guidelines used in academia and as indicated in Wikipeia's manual of style:. The user Takabeg has changed it to a number of differ variants so long as it is not Mamûretü'l-Azîz.

How do you think we can help?
I would like to see a decision made as to whether Ottoman Turkish should always be transliterated according to the guidelines (at least for words without a common English usage, such as Istanbul). It would also help if there were clarity as to whether Google Books hit counts are the final arbiter of what should appear in an article.

Discussion
First of all, I think that here is not appropriate place. Because there is no problem between us personally. Problems are related with only sources. His/her correct address is not here but Talk:Mamuretülaziz Vilayet. If he/she want to continue discussion, he/she must show sources.

He/she have behaeve based only his/her own preference. He/she trieds to do everything to realize his/her prefrence only relied to his/her POV. His/her "grounds" for argument is currently inactive Manual of Style (Arabic). He/she even tried to remove sourced infomation with its sources (we can control, )

It's very clear that Mamûretü'l-Azîz he/she prefer isn't common name in English.

And I tried to improve false Ottoman scripts. But he/she rejected correct scpripts insistedly and tried to change with his/her preferfing false ecript (معمورت العزیز). We cannot find his/her own preference (we can control here). He/she abused No original research repeatedly.

Anyway you must show us sources and if you want, you can ask other users who are interested in the Ottoman Empire. Takabeg (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Takabeg, the Ottoman province of Mamûretü'l-Azîz has no common name in English as it was a rather obscure and short-lived political entity. (we aren't talking about somewhere well-known such as Istanbul). There are numerous other articles about Ottoman provinces which use Ottoman names and transcriptions because they are accurate. You've provided a link to Google News to show that a transcription of Ottoman Turkish is wrong, which does not advance the discussion at all. Incidentally, I am not using Arabic transliteration; I am using Wikipedia's own guidelines for transcribing Ottoman Turkish, which is a totally different language. And there is no reason to suggest that those guidelines are inactive since they are being applied elsewhere. If Wikipedia's goal is to mimic whatever is popular rather than what is correct, then I concede. But to change something just because it is the most popular Google search result is a peculiar criteria for an encyclopaedia. Ordtoy (talk) 00:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)