Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/24 January 2006/Democratic peace theory

Request Information

 * Request made by: Septentrionalis 18:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Democratic peace theory
 * Where is the issue taking place?


 * Who's involved?
 * Myself
 * User:Ultramarine


 * What's going on?
 * The newest round in a long dispute; but I come to you as the alternative to WP:ANI, which is my next recourse.


 * The dispute involving this article, and another, went to ArbCom and resulted in the decision was that Ultramarine and I (and another editor) should edit cooperatively; which is pretty much what I wanted.


 * I hurt my hand in early November, and withdrew from WP for a while. When I returned to Democratic peace theory, Jan 3, I avoided my last edit, and have achieved a substantially different version. My intention this time was to avoid all edit wars, simplify the verbose prose, and avoid jargon.


 * Ultramarine's sole edits since then have been four edit tags, which he has largely refused to justify in Talk, referring instead to his complaints against my previous edit, which is [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democratic_peace_theory&diff=36409204&oldid=27641204 substantially different. On other articles, I would remove some of them on the grounds they are not justified in Talk; but I am inhibited on this one. Septentrionalis


 * ''What would you like to change about that?
 * Doubtless I am emotionally involved with the article. I will spend today adjusting the article to meet Ultramarine's complaints (as far as I understand them).

I would like: are justified. Septentrionalis
 * a mediator on the article as a whole.
 * a third party review of the tags, to see to what extent they
 * If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
 * My e-mail is registered with Wikipedia; but my Talk page will usually be faster. I see no present need for confidentiality. Septentrionalis 18:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Comments by others
From Kim Bruning's talk page:
 * "I have not made any uncivil remarks. However, I have been called a stalker. Please state exactly what you object to. Ultramarine 09:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Next to typing in ALL CAPS before, which is considered impolite, you have also not assumed good faith thus getting into an unnescesary childish match with two other people. I take it those were merely brief oversights made in the heat of the moment. Kim Bruning 09:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Eyeroll.JPG|thumb|right|200px|Rolling one's eyes can express exasperation or condescension .]] They inserted this picture and you accuse only me? Ultramarine 09:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I was accused of being a stalker and you replied "Hehehe, I think ultramarine was watching this page already, so unfortunately, no stalker"? I also see discussions between you and Pmanderson on this page and his, and also direct intervention on his request without informing me or giving me a chance to reply. Unfortunately, I can longer consider you an appropriate mediator.Ultramarine 10:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)" Ultramarine 10:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

This was taken out of context. I was having a conversation with Kim Bruning and he interjected which he is intitled to do. I made a joke about his prompt and inappropriate response with the fact that I was being stalked. There was no malice in what I said, nor did Kim interpret it that way.

In my opinion, this is just another example of Ultramarine bullying the community and trying to censor opposing viewpoints. --Scaife 22:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediator response
Gingerly taken up. See talk page for followup. Sdedeo (tips) 21:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, I am punting the case to Kim. Sdedeo (tips) 23:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Appears Kim is in the article now, let me know if any help is needed. --Wgfinley 02:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Got no help, Sdedeo just cut and ran :-(


 * Hmm, due to misbehaviour and picking fights by Ultramarine, mediation was dropped. Kim Bruning 10:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I will have to address each of the points made above.


 * After some particularly obnoxious behaviour by ultramarine, he got caught up in a fight with not one, but 2 wikipedians, unrelated to the case. In exasperation, one of them finally posted this image, when nothing else worked. I removed the image. Ultramarine has personally chosen to prominently display it in public again.
 * Someone who thought they'd finally been "honored with a stalker", this is indeed considered a Good Thing in some quarters. I defended Ultramarine good-naturedly, as such situations require.
 * PMAnderson had discussions with me on a public page, and Ultramarine was free to watch my page and view those discussions at all times. I have kept no secrets in this particular case

Kim Bruning 10:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)