Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/9 automated pseudo-portals created from redirects

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:34, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

9 automated pseudo-portals created from redirects


Each of these 9 pseudo-portals draws its article list from a single navbox, of which it is therefore a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. (For a full explanation of why this type of portal is redundant, see the two mass deletions of similar portals: one, and two, where there was overwhelming consensus of a very high turnout to delete a total of 2,555 such portals)..

Each these pages had previously been a redirect. Two had been deficient old-style manual portals before after being redirected or automated because they were of such poor quality. In each case, there is nothing worth reverting to.


 * 1) Portal:Southeast Asia is a fork of Template:Southeast Asia.	It was previously a redirect to Portal:Current events/Asia
 * 2) Portal:Boxing is a fork of  Template:Boxing. It was previously a redirect to the article boxing, having previously been a broken manual portal whose subpages never existed
 * 3) Portal:Censorship is a fork of Template:Censorship. It was previously a redirect to Portal:Freedom of speech
 * 4) Portal:Extinction is a fork of Template:Extinction. It was previously a redirect to Portal:Extinct and endangered species
 * 5) Portal:Crime  is a fork of Template:Types of crime. It was previously a redirect to Portal:Criminal justice.
 * 6) Portal:Eswatini  is a fork of Template:Eswatini topics.  It was previously a redirect to Portal:Africa  Portal:Swaziland, which also only ever existed as fully automated WP:REDUNDANTFORK  (corrected by BHG on the first of May)
 * 7) Portal:Yemen  is a fork of Template:Yemen topics. It was previously a redirect to Portal:Arab world
 * 8) Portal:Barbados  is a fork of  Template:Barbados topics.  It was previously a redirect to Portal:Caribbean
 * 9) Portal:Sikkim is a fork of  Template:Sikkim. It was previously a redirect broken manual portal in which it seems few of the subpages ever existed (see Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Sikkim and esp Portal:Sikkim/Selected articles), then  a redirect to Portal:India.

Some of these topics may be suitable for a proper portal, so I propose that these pages (and their subpages) be deleted without prejudice to recreating a curated portal which is not a WP:REDUNDANTFORK, in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 07:17, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion (9 automated pseudo-portals created from redirects)

 * add your keep/delete/comment here


 * Delete with prejudice to recreation, especially the ones that are obvious duplicate scope to other portals. That is why they were redirects in the first place. Note redirects within portal space are way less useful then redirects in mainspace. Portal redirects are not used for linking contextually like article redirects. Google basically ignores portal space so they don't help in Google searches. Readers are rarely searching for portals on any topic so they don't help readers much, and where someone does search for a specific portal on site the site search engine will give them related topics anyway that are not an exact match. Legacypac (talk) 07:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete all without prejudice to re-creation per nom. Many of these, especially the country ones, are of the ideal portal scope and should be re-created when we've settled on the way to do it. I also agree that both lazy pseudo-portals and portal redirects are very bad. Preliminary deletion solves both problems. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:51, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, useless navigation tools, redundant to the existing articles and navboxes, and of lower quality 
 * - New object,  0 subpages, created 2018-11-01 10:42:51 by User:Wiz9999           Portal:Eswatini
 * - Old object,  0 subpages, created 2016-02-22 05:34:19 by User:AntonioMartin     Portal:Boxing
 * - Old object,  0 subpages, created 2013-12-20 04:34:56 by User:Cirt              Portal:Censorship
 * - Old object,  0 subpages, created 2008-01-12 11:11:24 by User:Cirt              Portal:Crime
 * - Old object,  0 subpages, created 2013-08-15 17:33:43 by User:Motique           Portal:Yemen
 * - Old object,  0 subpages, created 2012-11-30 18:26:35 by User:CsDix             Portal:Barbados
 * - Old object, 15 subpages, created 2012-09-14 14:01:41 by User:Bhawani Gautam    Portal:Sikkim
 * - Old object, 19 subpages, created 2012-09-01 09:44:23 by User:Melly42           Portal:Extinction
 * - Old object, 500 subpages, created 2008-06-07 16:46:42 by User:RockMFR          Portal:Southeast Asia
 * remark: the 500 subpages were created in a context of Portal:Current events/Asia.
 * Pldx1 (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete with silver bullets because these are all zombie portals, but without prejudice, because the analyses of both User:BrownHairedGirl and User:Finnusertop are sound. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:25, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep the country portals and SE Asia portal. The scope of these is clearly sufficient for a portal to exist. The format of the current portals due to the way they were created means it might need some work, but that's not a valid reason for deletion. WaggersTALK  10:44, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete These either fail to meet the breadth-of-subject-are requirement of the WP:POG guideline, or (in the case of Portal:Southeast Asia) is a redundant forks of another portal, also, contrary to the WP:POG guideline. UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment., I really think you need to re-examine Portal:Eswatini and Portal:Swaziland. The latter was a originally redirect to Portal:Africa that you created two years ago (link). That only changed when TTH made it into a redirect to Portal:Eswatini which was also a redirect to the same target. I must note, though, that Portal:Eswanti has never been a redirect to Portal:Swaziland, and for the 7 minutes that Portal:Swaziland existed as its own portal, it was broken because Template:Swaziland doesn't exist. Normally you are spot on with these things, but you dropped the ball on that specific part of this bundled portal nomination. The rest look like safe deletes though. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 02:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Nomination corrected. Thanks, @MJL. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Question - User:BrownHairedGirl - If this MFD has been relisted, there should be a relisting comment, but there is a consensus and no need to relist. If this MFD has not been relisted, why is it being moved back to new business?  Robert McClenon (talk) 03:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry, @Robert McClenon. I signed and dated the wee correction I made to the nom, and the bot evidently saw that as the fist sig+date on page, and assumed it was the timestamp of nomination. I have now mangled my sig, so hopefully the bot will sort everything out on its next run at 2 mins past the hour. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 03:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Agreed, delete. These should all be restored to being redirects. These portals are dead and not actively utilised. - Wiz9999 (talk) 09:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.