Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:2014–15 Glossop North End A.F.C. season

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was Delete Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, the discussion below shows that this topic is currently non-notable (it would have no chance of passing AfD) and maintaining this in draft for almost a year in the event that is may become notable is not warranted. — xaosflux  Talk 15:14, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Draft:2014–15 Glossop North End A.F.C. season


This Articles for Creation submission about a football club's season was last declined on 19 August 2014 after extended discussion about the notability of the topic. Since then, no attempts have been made to improve the article to enable it to demonstrate notability (for example with references)... instead reports of individual goals in individual games have been added, multiple links to the club's own website and so forth. The page therefore appears to be in use as a free webhost to maintain information about the club's ongoing fixtures, not as a draft article intended to become an encyclopedia article. NOTWEBHOST and INDISCRIMINATE therefore apply. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 16:08, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep not sure I understand. If a club is notable enough for an article, then its results within a season are notable enough for a forked article.  Lack of references isn't a reason for deletion of a draft, just that it needs to be improved.  Time is better spent finding references than all this process-mongery.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * KEEP I was told that it would be submitted if the season was extraordinary and notable, and by the end of the season it will! We have got further in the F.A. Cup than usual. our attendances are way up on previous years, our start to the season is second only to Runcorn, and by the end of the season it will be our best since 1899. i.e. second ever promotion.  if we fail then i will submit a deletion request myself....just as I did with the Derbyshire cup final page.


 * To take issue with the complaint by Arthur goes shopping....maybe he should go more shopping..... there are no extra links to the website...but links to match reports of the matches, with the stats of the individual games.....just like all the other "season" pages. It is an ongoing page, which at the end of the season will give a "draft article intended to become a WIKI article" All the other 2014-15 season pages are just like this one....filling in the games and stats as the season progresses, and in the end will show the complete extraordinary season.  I know its not a web host and it is not indiscriminate. (GNEbandit 19:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete, on the basis there's general agreement that we shouldn't have extensive articles listing football results for every minor league football team. If the author thinks things will be different by the end of the season (May 2015?!) then by all means copy it somewhere for reference (though I don't hold out any hope). In response to The Rambling Man I'd say that, personally, I'd make exception to having an article about this minor team because of its extreme longevity. But any notable successes/failures can be mentioned there, without an excessive article split. Sionk (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I am amazed at the suggestion that this will be an "ongoing" draft that will be kept in Draft space for eight months, constantly updated, without any further attempts to submit it for review during that time. What other sorts of topics have this sort of web hosting provided in Draft space for topics whose notability is not established? Non-notable political candidates whose campaigns have got off to a good start and we can report a succession of week-by-week opinion poll results about them in Draft space and then only decide whether they are notable when the campaign is over more than six months later? It seems very strange. Draft is not a place for things that are not notable yet but could be in eight months. Best to take it straight to mainspace and let it stand or fall on its own merits. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 22:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me Arthur, take it to mainspace and see what happens. for a team with our history, there is massive support around the world.....yes in many different countries....who would see this info a relevant and historical(at a later date)(GNEbandit 12:14, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Season articles for clubs playing outside the Football League have been consistently deleted at AfD (see e.g. here, here, here, and note that these were all for clubs playing several divisions above Glossop). I wonder if you may want to reconsider?  Number   5  7  15:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Further examples of similar AfDs:
 * Articles for deletion/2011-12 Colwyn Bay F.C. season
 * Articles for deletion/2013–14 Hyde F.C. season
 * Articles for deletion/2012–13 Chester F.C. season
 * Articles for deletion/2009–10 Northwich Victoria F.C. season
 * Articles for deletion/2011–12 Boston United F.C. season
 * Number  5  7  15:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per Number57, if this were an article at AfD, it would most probably be deleted based off previous consensus. JMHamo (talk) 23:56, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 11:23, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Userfy - clear consensus at AFD that these articles of non-league clubs are not notable, and this one is no exception - however it should probably be userfied to allow the creator the chance to add references and prove it meets WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 11:24, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Keep for a very good reason.  When Wiki or whoever resolved to categories football with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues and decided who was important enough to record information for future reference, such as season stats, it was done at a time where only the top 4 leagues mattered.  They are the ones with all the money, the highest fan bases, to teams who need their history recorded because they were the 'only teams' in football.  BUT times have changed, and attitudes to football have changed.  Grass roots football is now more important to....well football.... as much as the bigger teams/leagues.  The fan bases for teams at lower levels are growing and teams at Glossop's level have histories that out stretch some bigger teams (Sheffield FC for example....oldest team in history...but only in step 4 football so not allowed a season stat page on Wiki!!) and for that reason teams have fans based all around the world who access Wiki pages.
 * I think Wiki and its boffins should take a look at football again, and not from a boffin point of view, but from a FOOTBALL point of view. I know there must be a limit to what gets recorded as Wiki as its not an endless pit of space, but how many more pages would be on here for "season stats"......half a dozen??  Its factual information, its not rude, pointless, useless, slander, hurtful or harmful.....and i know this page would be more interesting to people compared to who some Z list star from Towie is now dating!!!!!  Non league football has national (poss international) press publications.  It has radio programs dedicated to the lower leagues....these are teams for "everyman" not just the rich who can afford to go watch top flight football. They are not just some Sunday league pub team who turn up for a laugh, they are local teams for fans to get involved with, not just be another bottom on a seat/another dollar in the pocket of a faceless boss.
 * If Userfy allows it to stay here so it can be updated as the season goes along(just like all other season stats pages), and at the end of the season when it is proved that it is a historical/exceptional season for Glossop i will re-submit and hopefully have it accepted (and maybe some heart/thought can be put into the football category so it can be reclassified so to allow lower teams to record such pages without be looked down upon as lessor entities) (GNEbandit 23:03, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Second !Vote struck out. By the way, this issue has been discussed extensively, so if you want to generally involve yourself in changing Wikipedia consensus you should maybe try WikiProject Football (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football/Notability). Sionk (talk) 07:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry to burst your bubble, but as well as being one of the Wiki "boffins" you mention, I'm also a supporter of a club playing at a similar level to Glossop (you can probably guess from my userpage). However, I acknowledge in the grand scheme of things that whilst the club itself is notable, players and seasons are not. Number   5  7  19:06, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - per comments above re low-level of club subject in addition to clear WP:NOTSTATS issues. Agree if this were in the mainspace, would almost certainly be AfD'd and deleted based on previous consensus. Fenix down (talk) 12:43, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.