Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Andrew Howard Barnes

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  delete. Ricky81682 (talk) 05:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Andrew Howard Barnes


Repeatedly submitted unacceptable autobiography.

This article is fundamentally promotional, as would be expected for the autobiography that it is appeared to be. I've listed it here for deletion at WP:MfD.

Nobody should try to write their own biography on Wikipedia. Many of the failed attempts turn out like this: a ludicrously over-detailed tribute, containing details of interest only to the author, their immediate family, & their business associates. Thee are good places for this sort of detail: Facebook, a personal blog, a personal wbhsite. Not an encyclopedia

The evidence of the author being very likely possibly the subject is at the name change request for Changing_username/Simple/Archive197#Andrew_Howard_Barnes_.E2.86.92_DwayneJAlexander  DGG ( talk ) 01:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for now at best as WP:TNT and restart if better as I have been questionable about its acceptability. SwisterTwister   talk  02:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, this user has talked to me on IRC, and I believe them when they say they are not Barnes. More than once, a new user has used the name of the article they wanted to write when creating a user name.  I am making no comment as to the suitability of the draft at this time. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 02:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I had not thought of that possibility--I must bear it in mind for the future. .  I apologize. I've revised what I said here.  DGG ( talk ) 05:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment The article has been revised and shortened. I was asked to look again, but I see nothing in here which has the least chance of showing notability according to WP:AfD, and I cannot see  aww there will ever be a reason for accepting it.  DGG ( talk ) 09:46, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Good Day DGG and SwisterTwister. Thankyou for reviewing this. I would like to point out his philanthropy and the number of independent links which provide evidence including his role in retaining the important and historic Les Munro medals important war memorabilia for New Zealand. This links to a bona fida Wiki page on Les Munro and also is referenced in the 3td party articles?

In March 2015, the last surviving Dambusters pilot, Les Munro,[1] agreed to withdraw his war medals from auction and gift them to Auckland’s Museum of Transport and Technology (MOTAT) in exchange for a $30,000 donation by Barnes [2] to establish the NZ Bomber Command Fund through the Perpetual Guardian Foundation. The fund is intended to help preserve the historical legacy of Bomber Command in New Zealand.

Would appreciate a discussion on the philanthropy ( and the appropriate references) and also the Les Munro medals contribution

DwayneJAlexander (talk) 23:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete autobiography or not, efforts to remove the promotional tone have failed and notability concerns persists.--RadioFan (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
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