Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Autumn Smith

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Autumn Smith


Fails WP:NMODEL. Just too soon. Poorly referenced and abandoned draft. Legacypac (talk) 23:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * keep WP:NMODEL is a notability guideline, and so is not relevant to a draft. Or have you done a WP:BEFORE search and are contending that sources do not exist, online or off, that could ever establish notability here? No valid reason for deletion has been provided. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:27, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you done any searching to show any evidence this is not self promotional spam? No valid reason given to keep. Legacypac (talk) 00:06, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The burden at a deletion discussion is on those favoring deletion, to show a valid policy-based reason to delete. In the absence of that, no deletion should occur, and no reasons to keep need be provided. This is true even in article space, and much more so in draft space. Deletion policy says A consensus needs a policy-based positive reason to delete. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Policy - WP:NOTAWEBHOST and so far from MODEL there is no point holding on to a draft that has been abandoned by User:AshleySmith (who only edited this draft on one Dec 2016 day and then left) while the subject goes back to school and appears to not even be trying to be a model now. Legacypac (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTAWEBHOST forbids: 1)Personal web pages; 2) File storage areas; 3) Dating services; 4) Memorials and 5) Content for projects unrelated to Wikipedia (items listed in WP:UPNOT). Plausible Drafts, even drafts unlikely to become articles, do not fall under any of those, as I see it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:46, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. There are a lot of people named Autumn Smith, and the one described here doesn't seem to be more famous than any of the others in terms of her web presence. Without any links to sources that would verify the content, I don't know if anything can be done to improve this draft. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

WP:PROMOTION says in part "Self-promotion. It can be tempting to write about yourself or projects in which you have a strong personal involvement. However, remember that the standards for encyclopedic articles apply to such pages just like any other. This includes the requirement to maintain a neutral point of view, which can be difficult when writing about yourself or about projects close to you. Creating overly abundant links and references to autobiographical sources is unacceptable". there is no exemption for Draft space Legacypac (talk) 16:30, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * The cannot possibly apply in draft space -- the entire point of draft space is that those standards are relaxed. In any case, that section doesn't say that pages which fail to comply should be deleted. NPOV corrections happen all the time. If they were a reason to delete, half the articles would be gone by now, and most of user space. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:53, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Last I checked, Draft space was part of Wikipedia. Draft space is not a playground for placing everything Wikipedia is NOT into for all time. Most of userspace (outside userpages and talknpages) should be deleted. It stuffed full of copyvio/attack/spam and utterly useless crap. Legacypac (talk) 02:04, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I trimmed the name dropping of her nn sister. I trimmed the fanciful claim to being on her way to working for Victoria's Secret. I cut the part about being featured on a non-notable instagram account multiple times. I'm half a mind to remove the paragraph about her mother's love life cause it is pretty irrelevent to this model that shot to stardom. Legacypac (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. notability guides are relevant to a draft. (What isn't relevant is using speedy in the manner of A7(a topic of borderline notability in should not be deleted in draft space for that reason alone, but a topic that is altogether unlikely to ever be an acceptable article should be deleted here. There is no purpose served by keeping it if it is never going to help the `r .  DGG ( talk ) 01:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. To add to my prior recommendation, I haven't been able to find confirmation that there is a model of any prominence named Autumn Smith. I haven't been able to verify anything here. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:43, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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