Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Banhoek Conservancy

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was  keep. The majority of the editors here have expressed a belief and/or an interest in the existence of reliable sources and the concerns about an 'immediate' abandonment are unwarranted now as the editor has changed their name and can edit now. As noted, this may come up again as an abandoned draft but that's for another day. Ricky81682 (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Banhoek Conservancy


Advert for a small park. Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  19:47, 31 July 2015 (UTC) I am not an expert in this business I am a helper at the Conservancy and manager, I have changed my username to Kim Lord at Banhoek Conservancy is this OK?Kim Lord at banhoek conservancy (talk) 20:40, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Editing previous comment to delete, forgot this was created by the same person who was ignoring request for them to change their name. No one really there to edit it. Okay time for another cup of coffee. Sulfurboy (talk) 19:56, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi OrangeMike,

I have read your comments and your rejection of our submission, please allow me to explain our situation. I am the manager of the Banhoek Conservancy. The Conservancy is located in a valley in the Western Cape, in the Cape Winelands of South Africa. We have created a Nature Conservation area which incorporates the villages of Lanquedoc, Kylemore and Pniel as well as all the surrounding farms. These farms produce, Wine and grapes, fruit and wildflowers for the export market. We have 3 problem in the villages and farms: 1. An increasing prevalence of drug abuse by the youth. this comes with an increase in crime to support the drug use. 2. The Communities have a high unemployment rate which exacerbates the drug/crime. 3. A lot of alien vegetation encroachment into the local natural vegetation.

To mitigate these problems the Banhoek Conservancy was established. The aim of the Banhoek Conservancy is to: 1. Remove the alien infestations so that the natural plants can re-establish. This has created employment opportunities for locals to remove the wood (mainly Australian gums and willows) to be sold for firewood or used for various by-products. The removal of the alien vegetation (water thirsty plants) has in turn allowed water to be released back into the river/stream systems and wetlands which means a re-establishment of the small animals. The presence of small animals allows for the gradual return of larger animals which need the smaller animals to survive off. For example the sighting of leopards is now quite common by our strategically placed animal cameras. 2. Create  hiking paths, mountain bike trails to improve tourism opportunities in the valley. The establishment of these paths cost money and thus provide employment opportunities for the local community. The single-track paths are used by sporting enthusiasts for exercising and to hold events which in turn create more employment opportunities. At the same time the paths act as access routes to fight fires, remove alien vegetation and monitor wildlife activities.

3. Be the "glue" which holds together the various communities who inhabit the Banhoek Valley. In summary, we have established the Banhoek Conservancy. You can check on our various channels to see the various activities which are happening in the Valley.

Please reply to help us move forward.

Kind Regards Kim Lord (for and on behalf of the Banhoek Conservancy) Kim Lord at banhoek conservancy (talk) 20:50, 31 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep I believe the issues can be fixed. The article needs substantially more work, but an article about a conservancy can be encyclopedic, if done right.  To the original editor, I would suggest trying to involve editors of WikiProjects that might be interested in the subject.   Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  23:00, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This can just be declined, and the problems are not so great that a draft has to be deleted. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This is fixable. As a South African I have some knowlege of the conservancy concept, it's not at all "just a nature park". A conservancy is a co-operative organisation set up by a group of property owners with the aim of collectively addressing environmental (and sometimes socio-economic) issues that affect their property. Kim Lord at banhoek conservancy is welcome to request assistance at WP:WikiProject South Africa. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * reply - I have no objection to withdrawing this nomination, if somebody will take Kim in hand and explain WP:NOBLECAUSE, WP:PROMOTION, WP:NPOV, and WP:RS to them. It's not like I'm hostile to the concept or to what they do! -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  17:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I will volunteer to be the mentor. Kim Lord at banhoek conservancy, I'm fairly sure we could produce an acceptable article, so please indicate your willingness to accept my assistance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:12, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Roger, I would really like to be helped through this process as I do feel that the Banhoek Conservancy, which is in its infancy will be contributing to our understanding of the renewal of damged eco-systems and the associated cultural and socio-economic renewal. thank you for offering your knowledge.Kim Lord at banhoek conservancy (talk) 11:45, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. I couldn't find a single independent and reliable source. It is clearly non-notable, and therefore should either be deleted now or as an abandoned draft in 7 months' time; it has no bright future in my opinion. Again, a place might be locally known, but if it has no extensive coverage then unfortunately it can't have a Wikipedia article. Best, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The conservancy is located in a country that has eleven official languages (including English), so it is quite possible that the best sources for establishing notability are in a language other than English, and might not be online either. Per WP:GNG "Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language."  Additionally, an experienced editor has offered assistance with the article.  If it comes up in 7 months as an abandoned draft, with no recent changes and no likelihood passing AfC, then my opinion might be different.   Etamni &#124;  &#9993;  07:35, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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