Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Book Music & Lyrics

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. Main page already speedied, but the (BML) version was not. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:06, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Book Music & Lyrics


There are all kinds of accounts around these drafts. Looks like UPE or sockpuppetry. Earlier version removed from mainspace. Not notable in my opinion. Legacypac (talk) 04:09, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Would love an SI/CKU on this, something looks fishy. —  python coder    (talk &#124; contribs) 21:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - Ducks eat fish, and some fish eat ducks. Yes, the socks need to be inventoried.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:35, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - One of the fish ate another of the fish. Delete the one that is still here.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * One page deleted G13 during discussion. Legacypac (talk) 23:46, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello! I’m the creator of this draft. Am I right in thinking it has been nominated for deletion because the subject is insufficiently notable, or is it because the draft has not been edited recently? Many thanks, Tobermorybay (talk) 23:41, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * One version was deleted because it had not been edited. The other may be deleted because it is not a notable topic. Why are there so many accounts involved here? Legacypac (talk) 23:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm a pretty inexperienced user - have I done something wrong? Is the page duplicated? I can assure you I only have one account, if that's a concern? I don't understand all the duck/fish euphemisms and would be glad to have them explained! Tobermorybay (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the fish thing either and I'm not inexperienced. The core problem is the topic is not a notable one. We only allow pages that meet WP:GNG guidelines. The presence of a bunch of accts editing suggests a promotional intent or WP:SOCKPUPPETS. The existence of two versions of the page in draft space is fairly easy to solve with a redirect or, as happened here during the discussion one copy got deleted as abandoned for more than 6 months. Creating new pages is one of the hardest things to do at Wikipedia because it involves not only the technical ability to put the page together correctly, well written, with proper sources, but you also have to ensure the topic is notable. I've created around 50 pages, but even some of those were just spinoffs of large existing pages, not topics I thought up. I've processed tens of thousands of pages created by new users and can very accurately tell what is a suitable topic and what is not because of my experience. I welcome you to learn more about wikipedia by editong some existing pages to improve them. Anything helps from fixing typos to expanding the page with new material you can provide proper sources for User:Tobermorybay Legacypac (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this advice and explanation. I'm still confused about all the different accounts editing this page - so far as I know I only have one account, and I doubt I'd be able to create a fraudulent account if I tried! But as you rightly intuit, this is my first real attempt at creating a new page, so I'm willing to defer to your judgement. From my perspective the topic seems sufficiently notable, but that is the perspective of a UK musical theatre fan, which I realise is a narrow one. I'm aware, also, that it isn't helpful to argue for the inclusion of one article on the basis of the existence of another. I will continue to attempt to improve the page, and if it is deleted I'll chalk it up to experience, and in the meantime I would be grateful for any pointers on how my sourcing/formatting etc. are falling short. Thanks again, Tobermorybay (talk) 10:43, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.