Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Characters breaks the 4th wall and towards the camera in other places

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  Delete. RL0919 (talk) 19:50, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Characters breaks the 4th wall and towards the camera in other places


Nonsense article. CoolSkittle (talk) 00:24, 18 November 2018 (UTC) It is nonsense in the sense bits of disconnected info has been thrown together in a way that makes no sense. The title has the same problem. I can't make heads or tails of where this is going. Legacypac (talk) 08:47, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete a mismash of random stuff Legacypac (talk) 00:32, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. Not nonsense. I can even guess where it could be headed. I still think IPs should not be welcome to create even new draftspace pages, but as long as they are, the IP is doing exactly what AfC invites them to do.  Draft is not even submitted.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is total nonsense. 4th wall break is a notable concept in media but this is just a bizarre attempt to catalogue 4th wall breaks, apparently by physical location in the US, which makes no sense. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * That is not the definition of nonsense. Maybe it is WP:OR, although considering this, not blatantly. It would be ok in userspace, not pretending to be a draft article. Fourth wall breaking is a 20th century US dominated phenomenon, and tracking its spread is not unreasonable. Fourth wall is pretty thin coverage, and the IP should be encouraged to pursue this interest. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:47, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It's not tracking the real-world spread of 4th-wall breaks. How would you even do that for animated media? By the location the media was written? Where it was animated? It appears to be tracking supposed physical locations that these 4th-wall breaks occurred in-character. Even then, it's doing it in a way that doesn't make any sense (ie, listing the Seven Dwarves in real-world locations). That tells me that this is, at best, fanfiction. We are not a host for fanfiction. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright then. It does look like fan fiction, and it doesn't actually contain anything of what I imagine could be on a path to maybe worthwhile.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - I disagree with SJ and agree with CS and LP that it is a hodge-podge of nonsense. It is true that the draft hasn't yet been submitted.  The IP has done one thing which neither registered editors nor unregistered editors are allowed to do, removing the template, but I have restored it.  They edited the article, which is permitted, and it is still crud.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:41, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you are disagreeing with exactly, possibly just the "keep for now". If there were an account behind it, I would !vote to userfy.  It doesn't belong belong in draftspace.  I don't so much disagree with having it deleted if the IP doesn't show up, so much as I disagree with peoples' loose use of the word "nonsense".  It is not nonsense, and I support it's WP:REFUND for the author if he or she WP:Registers.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:03, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - My disagreement with SJ and agreement with LP is about definitions of nonsense. It is true that reasonable people can disagree as to whether it is total nonsense or simply crud.  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:38, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess I lean to using the definition compatible with CSD#G1. Nonsense and crud are not the same thing. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I’m guessing you lot are not into creative scribble drawing games.. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete this looks to be a list of characters that regularly break the fourth wall which is kind of listcrufty and already exampled extensively by the Fourth Wall article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:28, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm deleting the states stuff. That has nothing to do with the Fourth Wall. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:31, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm striking my vote. There's potential for this to be a decent list that is supported by sources like https://www.geek.com/comics/a-history-of-comic-book-characters-breaking-the-fourth-wall-1740639/ and can either be merged into the Fourth Wall article as with Illeism or spin out completely. As the article was drafted recently, this should be given a chance, but if it is submitted repeatedly as is, then reconsider MFD on it. It should then be named List of characters that break the Fourth Wall.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:46, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * And I'm reversing my strike. The main Fourth wall article should get an overhaul to retain only well-sourced examples instead of this example farm. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:04, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
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