Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Derek Piotr

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete at this time. RL0919 (talk) 21:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Derek Piotr

 * &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
 * &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Non-notable musician page that has been resubmitted 4 times now. Bringing for a delete decision. Legacypac (talk) 10:56, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Possibly notable, but ghits are swamped by promotion.
 * Was the draft not improved between resubmissions? Note the conditions at WP:DMFD. If notable, advise the author of WP:DUD and WP:NMUSICIAN. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not relying on the specific wording of NMFD. DUD is just bad advice that encourages people to work on crap topics in a less public spot. After 4 declines it gets very hard to get a page accepted at AfC without a clear finding of notability in a discussion. Legacypac (talk) 22:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * If the case doesn't meet the specific wording of WP:DMFD ("repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement"), then speedy close per WP:NMFD. MfD is not for considering notability questions.
 * WP:DUD is excellent advice for anyone with a serious contribution. Draftspace is only for waylaying inept and hopeless newcomers.  Even the non-inept WP:UPEs know to not use draftspace if they want to spam while staying under the radar.   --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:13, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Page continues to be submitted while not addressing the concerns of reviewers. Likely because sources don't exist because the subject is not notable. The only way off this merry go round is to find the page not notable and delete it. Legacypac (talk) 16:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - Robert McClenon (talk) 21:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * That is the highly probably end outcome for sure. Would be deleted at AfD for sure if the author mainspaced it sourced like it is.  Eventual G13 otherwise.  Should every such doomed topic be brought to MfD?  This one has not be tendentiously resubmitted without substantial attempted improvement, and no reviewer has rejected it. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The last actual comment, by User:StraussInTheHouse, gives actionable editing advice for the draft. Following up on that with mfd is not logical. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:45, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 05:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Creator has not edited since Jan 3 so this will likely go G13 if not deleted. Just close and ignore? Legacypac (talk) 06:27, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
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