Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Dmitry Torner

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 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was:  no consensus. ✗ plicit  14:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Dmitry Torner

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It’s the old “get your article deleted at two successive AfDs, then immediately go ahead and recreate it as a draft anyway” trick — no reason we should play along. - Biruitorul Talk 14:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. —  Sundostund  mppria  (talk / contribs) 15:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as consensus to delete has been established in previous AfDs. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:11, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete per previous AfDs  Oxi  (Contact me) 11:34, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:CSD. I don't know what it looked like pre-deletion, but reading the statements above, I assume that WP:CSD applies, as [G4] applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 13:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
 * G4does not apply. You have a poor sense of WP:Deletion policy.  Admittedly, G4 rules in draftspace are arcane, but mainspace deletion does not make for G4 if the deletion reason is not a draftspace deletion reason. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:59, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. It is a judgemental error on my part, sorry. &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: The AfDs’ reason for deletion was merely notability issues. Notability is not a reason to delete from draftspace.  Failing, or questionable, notability is the reason for it being in draftspace. SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Was only deleted due to notability issues. We should allow editors to continue writing this draft as it could be likely that more reliable sources can appear. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 13:20, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Most articles are deleted due to notability issues, so by this logic, they can all simply be turned into drafts and left like that forever. The “President of the Biathlon Federation of the Republic of Moldova” is not a notable individual, that’s been established at AfD, and no amount of wishful thinking about non-existent sources is going to change that. The sole purpose of this draft is to circumvent the AfD, there’s not going to be some radical improvement. We may as well admit that and delete. — Biruitorul Talk 20:44, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Any article deleted for failure to demonstrate notability is a good topic for a draft. If the AfD consensus was a firm “This topic is not notable”, that’s different, but the AfD for this did not reach that clarity.  You overstate what was established at AfD.
 * Forever? No.  Please read more about draftspace.
 * Drafts do not circumvent AfD. When a draft is submitted, every AfC reviewer looks at prior AfDs and looks for substantial changes since the AfD.  This process works.  MfD does not work for prejudging future developments and forever precluding consideration of new information. SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - Deletion from article space due to notability is not a reason for deletion from draft space. So, yes, they can be turned into drafts, and can stay that way forever if they are tweaked every five months.  Why not?  Duh.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.